River Play

[Check_The_Nuts]

Couple hands where I'm curious as to the raise size on the river, or where to call.

Running 27/19/6 over 65 hands. I've been catching a lot of big preflop hands, and raising button a ton preflop. Villian is 45/18/1.4. No respect for cbets whatsoever. Has been calling on flop and turn a ton.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $16.10
UTG+1: $14.60
CO: $22.20
Button: $2.35
SB: $10.45
BB: $10.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif ($0.95, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.6</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: J/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($2.15, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif ($2.15, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, hero ?

kinda questioning my bet size too. I think I just pay off two pair more with this bet, and I'm not certain a one paired hand will call (the few that don't have two pair on this board)....

Second hand, its a question of how much to raise river. Also, does anyone bet small on turn since we're ~230 BB deep?

I'm 16/12/5. Been raising button almost every orbit. Villian is 43/10/1. His AF is 0.3/0.3/3 on flop/turn/river. Does this change anything? (Didn't have that info at the time).

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $11.75
UTG+1: $5.75
CO: $13.45
Hero: $23.30
SB: $25.35
BB: $10.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($0.9, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.7</font>, SB calls.

Turn: J/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($2.3, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($2.3, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $1.85</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4, $8, $12/14ish or push?</font>,

[jonyy6788]

First hand you're probably beat, but I'd call that $2. You only have to win like 20% of the time there to break even. Check/call seems like a much better line if you don't plan on folding to a reraise.

Repop that 2nd hard hoping he has a flush.

[Check_The_Nuts]

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Repop that 2nd hard hoping he has a flush.

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huh? how big?

[Gravy]

Hand 1, bet the turn.

Hand 2, BET THE [censored] TURN

[Check_The_Nuts]

hand 1 is an obvious turn check IMO. I have a weak hand, and I'm probably WA/WB. Pot control is really important here. Realize that if I bet 2 on the turn, and villian minraised this bet, its an easy fold. Whereas how I played it I may be able to call profitably.

I'm still overplaying my hand on the river with a 2 dollar bet, and I wonder if anything worse even calls (or exists!). I think your line is way overplaying it. Plan was to fold to any raise, then he [censored] minraised!

[thac]

Hand 1, check/call river to get a bet from a KT or JT or some weird hand.

Hand 2, I'd probably raise to 8 and hope he shoves.

[Gravy]

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hand 1 is an obvious turn check IMO. I have a weak hand, and I'm probably WA/WB. Pot control is really important here. Realize that if I bet 2 on the turn, and villian minraised this bet, its an easy fold. Whereas how I played it I may be able to call profitably.

I'm still overplaying my hand on the river with a 2 dollar bet, and I wonder if anything worse even calls (or exists!). I think your line is way overplaying it. Plan was to fold to any raise, then he [censored] minraised!

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WA/WB applies only when your opponents are unlikely to be drawing. This is an extremely draw heavy board, and while I agree you can lay down to a turn minraise, I think many worse made hands call a turn bet, and many draws take a free card.

Hand 2, this is the drawiest board in the universe, no matter how hard I try I can't justify checking behind on the turn.