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VorShot
11-08-2006, 09:59 PM
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.40
UTG+1: $11.35
Hero: $11.55
Button: $12.55
SB: $2
BB: $10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $0.45</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.6</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $2</font>, BB folds,
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $11.35</font>, Hero folds
<font color="blue"> So here i am with AK in the CO and UTG limps in and UTG+1 raises a pot sized bet. I 3-bet the pot back and the SB goes all in for $2. The original limper calls the $2 (with only $2.20 behind) then it gets back around to the first raiser and he pushed all in. I can only assume that UTG is going to call (unless he plans to put half his stack in and fold) If i call here, if ANYONE has a pair here, and ANYONE has one of my aces or kings, i'm behind.

If the big stack has any pair, and either of the short stacks turn over ANY A or K, i'm behind.

The ONLY hands that i could beat is;
-if no one had a pair OR
-if someone DOES has a pair, i have to have 3 clean As and 3 clean Ks.

Easy fold?</font>

kitaristi0
11-08-2006, 10:01 PM
Fold.

VorShot
11-09-2006, 01:33 AM
Is that all the insight i get?

Wu36
11-09-2006, 01:35 AM
It looks like pretty sound advice. Especially since utg+1 probably isn't jamming to isolate the two shorties.

Marshall28
11-09-2006, 01:39 AM
you answered your own question bud ... theres not many hands u can beat, especially 3 way. you are likely dominated here, at best u might have 3 outs to an ace.

Dennisa
11-09-2006, 01:40 AM
Very hard, seems to me UTG probably has the AK himself. Most times if he has AA then he probably raises to 4 or 5 and then shoves on the flop.

VorShot
11-09-2006, 01:44 AM
Ok...i felt like it was the right fold...but man was i pissed when i saw this...

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.40
UTG+1: $11.35
Hero: $11.55
Button: $12.55
SB: $2
BB: $10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $0.45</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.6</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $2</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $11.35</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG calls all-in $2.4</font>.
Uncalled bets: $8.95 returned to UTG+1.

Flop: K/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif ($2.7, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $7.7)


Turn: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($2.7, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $7.7)


River: 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($2.7, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $7.7)


Results:
Final pot: $2.7
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed Qd 5d</font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG showed Qc 4c</font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 showed Jh As</font>

Check_The_Nuts
11-09-2006, 02:39 AM
Its OK, Maybe next time you'll reep the benefits of pure idiocy like me:

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.75
UTG+1: $10.35
CO: $12.50
Hero: $11.35
SB: $21.85
BB: $4.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $0.5</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.1</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $4.1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $5.75</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif ($5.4, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $13.35)


Turn: 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($5.4, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $13.35)


River: 3/images/graemlins/club.gif ($5.4, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $13.35)


Results:
Final pot: $5.4
<font color="#ffffff">UTG showed 8h 8s</font>
<font color="#ffffff">BB mucks 8d 8c</font>

beat: The two big stacks folded :/

EDIT: Wow converter messed up pot size hardcore.

whodatdare
11-09-2006, 10:13 AM
I like your reasoning here, Vorshot, and would do the same in this case. Too many times you're way behind with this much action pre flop. It can be frustrating to see these idiotic hands being played by your opponents, but thats why you're at the table. Since you play better hands than them you will get the dollars in the long run. I hope you sat back and licked your chops when you saw them playing such terrible cards, because dinnner is abouut to be served!!!!!

AaronOC
11-09-2006, 10:14 AM
fold, 99% of the time he will turn over AA or KK

InfectorGadget
11-09-2006, 10:18 AM
Good fold.

You will get those tards money soon enough =)

tojx
11-09-2006, 10:24 AM
Good fold, I agree. You rarely see mid pairs in a raising war. In the middle of a raising war I usually only stay in with AA,KK,AKs.

VorShot
11-09-2006, 12:11 PM
Yeah, i make that fold every day...i just hated seeing the results...mostly because i woulda taken 3 people's stack in one hand. Sure, a couple of them were not full buyins...but wouldn't that have been awesome? To destroy almost the whole table in one hand?