KK OK?

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Is this standard? Anyone betting the turn/calling the river?

Just got to the table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

MP2 ($27.50)
MP3 ($11.20)
CO ($35.25)
Hero ($24.65)
SB ($36.40)
BB ($36.45)
UTG ($20.90)
UTG+1 ($10.65)
MP1 ($14.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, SB calls $1.40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($3.75) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($9.75) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($9.75) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $9.5</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.25

[Imrahil]

All streets are good to me. Probably perfectly played.

[pokerchap]

standard.

[homeslice]

Preflop raise to $2.50

Any read on the villian? Does he defend his blind w/ A high? Is he capable of floating? That's a big river bet, a possible steal.

As played, w/o reads I'd fold.

[wake_up]

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Preflop raise to $2.50

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Does the 4bb+1bb*limper rule not apply anymore??

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Any read on the villian? Does he defend his blind w/ A high? Is he capable of floating? That's a big river bet, a possible steal.

As played, w/o reads I'd fold.

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Read the OP. New to table.

[orange]

I don't mind a flop check here.

[Marshall28]

flop raise amount is just fine. id probly check the flop as well because if he calls you youve got to check down the rest of the hand, and he can bluff you at will on the river

[eigenvalue]

I would play that as You did, but my standard CB would be $2 to $2.5 here.

[wake_up]

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I don't mind a flop check here.

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I'm intruiged by this answer... I make a C-bet here about 99% of the time.

Please expand on your answer!

[matrix]

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I don't mind a flop check here.

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I'm intruiged by this answer... I make a C-bet here about 99% of the time.

Please expand on your answer!

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If we bet the flop what hands do you think are more likely to call?

Hands with an Ace in right??

Pretty much any hand that DOESN'T have a Ace in we are miles ahead of.

So if we check the flop all those hands that fold to our CB on theflop are still there.

Now if villain bets the turn we call (note we can only do this in position)

So far a flop CB and a flop check and turn call if villain bets have cost us the same amount BUT now we are likely to see a SD and all those hands that our flop bet folded some of them have bet the turn - either they improved a little (maybe a J or a Q or something falls and they make a 2nd best pair) or they were bluffing cos they thought we were weak for checking.

On the river we evaluate what to do based on how aggressive we know the villain is what cards fall and how big his river bet is (if he checks the river obv we check through - unless he's checked turn AND river then we can just bet and take it down)

Basically all the times we check flop then call a PSB on the turn then check behind the river we have spent the same money as we would CBing the flop and we see a SD and win our fair share - all the times he has an Ace we lose (but we lose to an Ace anyway after we shutdown when he calls our CB)

Sometimes the villain bets the river and then we have to make a read - if we think he has the Ace we fold if we think there's a good chance he's bluffing (or we hit a K) we call/raise. If he checks the turn and bets the river he almost *never* has an Ace. Sometimes we lose a bigger pot - often we win a bigger pot. If a Q or J come on the turn river we have *massively* under represented our hand and villain will never think we have KK and can call and often beat his KJ JT or whatever.

Checking the flop here is higher variance but in the long run gives us better EV.

[wake_up]

Thanks, nice post.