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Vammakala

11-08-2006, 01:41 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

UTG ($19.10)
MP ($51.40)
Hero ($58.65)
SB ($46.40)
BB ($20.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50, MP calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $6, SB folds, BB calls $6, MP calls $6.

Turn: ($26) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20, BB folds, MP calls $20.

River: ($66) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP bets $23.4 (All-In), Hero ???

I'm torn, this guy was generally very very passive, by the looks of it, I'd say he has a fine hand or is drawing to a flush. Some of his flushdraws probably include hands with T or a 5 as well. His stats over 150 hands are 35/0/0.5, with 30% WSD and 40% W@SD.

Vammakala

11-08-2006, 01:47 PM

Notice that the BB in the hand is very short stack, so my turn bet was designed to counting in his stack since I thought he couldn't fold.

shpanko

11-08-2006, 01:58 PM

THis is a shitt spot. Villain is really passive so he almost always has a T here. Looks like T-x of hearts. Man you are getting over 4:1 on a call. So you need to be good 20 percent of the time here? I probably call knowing I'm beat but the stats would definitely suggest a fold. Then again people get mad when they miss their draws and sometimes just shove the river.

I don't know this is a tough spot. I don't think there's a huge difference in EV between calling and folding. Though folding might be a little better.

Imrahil

11-08-2006, 02:08 PM

I think shoving the turn wouldn't be bad. You are basically committed once you bet the turn so it will make your decisions much easier if you get it all in on the turn. I would have potted the flop since it's draw city out there. I probably fold the river and go and kick a neighborhood cat.

matrix

11-08-2006, 02:12 PM

pot flop - pot turn - then it's an easy river call - thats a drawy flop and needs a bigger flop bet to anhialate villains implied odds.

as played call and hope he also flopped a set or just tilt pushed a missed /images/graemlins/heart.gif draw cos it's the only time you're good and you are *just* about priced in for a crying call (we need to win this 20% or so) and the information we get in seeing his cards here will prove useful later (provided we take a note)

Vammakala

11-08-2006, 02:23 PM

I called, he had the flushdraw.

The problem was, he had Q5s of hearts. D'OH!

simuk

11-08-2006, 07:15 PM

Yeah pretty sick turn and river for you...

I would shove flop esp whilst you are still favourite and you put him on a drawing hand.

SavageMiser

11-08-2006, 07:33 PM

Don't think I'd shove the flop, but with so many opponents I'd definitely pot it. Maybe even overbet it so a second caller's odds aren't so tasty.

Shove turn for sure.

As played, well ... damn. Might have to call not only because I might win, but I get to see the stupid cards my donkey opponent was playing.

Wu36

11-08-2006, 07:37 PM

you guys really 2x pot the turn here?