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n1nj4.br
11-07-2006, 11:18 PM
villian is 31/11/1.6 ~1500 hands.
Calls cbet 46% of time.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $101.70
CO: $139.45
Button: $49.25
SB: $20.40
BB: $42.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: T/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif ($4.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($10.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $14</font>, Hero call (?)

River: 9/images/graemlins/club.gif ($38.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $11</font>, Hero folds. (?)

CrustyFace
11-07-2006, 11:27 PM
I would have raised more on the flop and possibly more preflop.

orange
11-08-2006, 02:33 AM
I would pot this flop alot.

The turn is meh. Q9 got there, though I'm not sure thats in his calling range here. I think you see JT often enough here, or somethings QJ or whatever. I think you played this hand fine.

shpanko
11-08-2006, 02:37 AM
CRAI on river...?

orange
11-08-2006, 02:46 AM
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rebuyboy
11-08-2006, 03:07 AM
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He probably thinks that the player would bet more with a straight, and his small bet is a 2 pair type hand, so OP can make him fold with an allin bluff.

HBomb
11-08-2006, 03:17 AM
It's a good river fold, but I would definately bet more flop/turn, and fold to any substantial reraises. Fold on river is ok given the type of board that plays out. 66 is also a possibility here. Or maybe even a turned set with 88, given the fact maybe he didn't give you enough credit on the flop and decided to make a call on flop being way behind.

shpanko
11-08-2006, 03:52 AM
I was kind of joking when I wrote CRAI on river before but now that I think about it a river c/r bluff wouldn't be that bad (not advocating a push that's probably a bit much).

Think about the way the hand played out. There is only one hand villain can have that would be able to call the river and that is Q9. AQ spades is a small possibility as is QJ but I don't see either of those playing the hand this way.

The river bet looks like a hand that is good but not a straight and doesn't want to put too much in with a bet. Sure he could be trying to milk you with a straight but it really just doesn't feel like a straight to me it feels like a set or two pair. I'd c/r to 40 and fold to a push.

orange
11-08-2006, 04:14 AM
I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm not so sure this is a great time to use it though. I also think that c/r-ing to $40 (the amount size compared to the pot) will get called a bit more often than not and perhaps maybe a bit more might be better if you decide to bluff here.

EscapePlan9
11-08-2006, 08:26 AM
Folding to the call-flop-min-raise-turn.

chesspain
11-08-2006, 09:06 AM
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I would pot this flop alot.

The turn is meh. Q9 got there, though I'm not sure thats in his calling range here. I think you see JT often enough here, or somethings QJ or whatever. I think you played this hand fine.

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Would you call that river bet on some brick like the 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif?

BungalowBill
11-08-2006, 12:01 PM
Getting better than 3:1, I'd probably call the river bet and lose.

n1nj4.br
11-08-2006, 12:08 PM
Seeing this hand again, i think i would just fold on the turn miniraise.

he is a passive villian, and when he did it, he had at least a pair+very strong draw. So, basically, i was slightly ahead sometimes and way behind other times. Other than that, even if im ahead, there wuold be so many river cards that he could bluff (without knowing he is bluffing) and it would be too hard for me to call.

Anyway, as played, call that river is suicide. Villian screams that he has at least 2pairs that wants to gets a little more value. In my experience, trying to make them fold in spots like this is -EV, so raising is out of question IMO.

Anyway, thanks for the answers.

Sir Winalot
11-08-2006, 12:43 PM
Grunch,

As played I'd fold river. As played untill turn I'd rr to 35 and see what happens.
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Calls cbet 46% of time.

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Punish him!! Pot the flop and bet big on turn.

Phytopath
11-08-2006, 01:04 PM
I'd bet more on the flop, pot it...especially since he calls so many. When you bet the turn, I think you can fold to his min-raise. He has you beat, not many people do this with AJ.