How is it possible for Doyle's room to remain open?

[Mizzles]

Isn't he a US citizen living in the USA?

[tsrcess]

hmmmmm, i think the legality of internet poker is still pretty much up in the air. some would certainly say internet poker is clearly illegal. others disagree. the recent law did not change what was legal or illegal. maybe at some point in the future it will become more clear that internet poker is illegal. if so, sites like doyle's room may be forced to close (at least to united states residents)...

[flafishy]

Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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Some prosecutors might disagree. I'd say that as time goes on we might see a further crackdown with various factions of the government chasing after celebrity sponsors ala Doyle. I hope this doesn't occur, but its within the realm of possible.

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[jlkrusty]

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Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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Some prosecutors might disagree. I'd say that as time goes on we might see a further crackdown with various factions of the government chasing after celebrity sponsors ala Doyle. I hope this doesn't occur, but its within the realm of possible.

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The feds going after Doyle Brunson would be the best thing for poker. You'd hear a rallying cry from our community like never before!

[JPFisher55]

I think that such litigation is how the new law will be tested in court. But if the WTO permits sanctions, especially ignoring copyright laws, then this type of case may not occur. FWIW, it interests me that the DOJ has not gone after any professional associated with poker sites still accepting US players.

[Osprey]

I do think the celebrity endorsers will be in trouble when the DOJ starts moving.

[StellarWind]

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Some prosecutors might disagree. I'd say that as time goes on we might see a further crackdown with various factions of the government chasing after celebrity sponsors ala Doyle. I hope this doesn't occur, but its within the realm of possible.

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It is possible but it is very difficult. To build a criminal case you have to start with a specific violation (e.g. Sarah G. in Seattle deposited and then played poker) and then work step-by-step through the organization to link this offense back to Doyle. That's extremely difficult when almost all the records and witnesses are offshore and not cooperating.

Maybe the site violated his contract by using his name in Washington state. Perhaps he called them on the phone and screamed for an hour when he found out and they said "so sue us".

You think the preceding paragraph is unlikely? Prove it in court beyond a reasonable doubt using legal evidence to twelve people who probably don't want to be convinced. Then prove a hundred other essential elements all beyond a reasonable doubt. Be prepared to spend millions of dollars doing so and have it all go down the drain because juror #6 hangs the jury because they like poker and/or Doyle's hat.

The people with the responsibility for enforcing the laws against online gambling as a group are decidedly uninterested in doing anything. How many cases have they built in the last five years? About two? These people have a lot of sense. They have better things to do with their careers and their limited resources. Congress can pass laws but they are going to have to try a lot harder than this if they want anyone to enforce them. From a prosecutor's point of view the UIGEA is a piece of junk. If the prosecutors were actually expected to do something then online poker would be a direct Federal offense. All the nonsense about accepting deposits for the purpose of violating unclear state laws is just a nightmare to prove in court. So why is a career professional supposed to work on that instead of drugs or securities fraud?

[Lawman007]

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Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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You're wrong. He does own it. In an interview in one of the poker magazines a few months ago, he said he was considering selling it because it takes up so much of his time.

[JPFisher55]

In general, I agree with this post. I am not sure how hard it is too prove the taking of bets. Also, the prospect of a judge throwing out such prosecution on legal grounds such as WTO, poker=skill, etc. further discourages such prosecution.

[Howard Beale]

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So why is a career professional supposed to work on that instead of drugs or securities fraud?

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Because there is a new law and a few noob 1st or 2nd year prosecutors are going to be told to see what they can do with it.

[John_Manley]

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Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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Some prosecutors might disagree. I'd say that as time goes on we might see a further crackdown with various factions of the government chasing after celebrity sponsors ala Doyle. I hope this doesn't occur, but its within the realm of possible.

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The feds going after Doyle Brunson would be the best thing for poker. You'd hear a rallying cry from our community like never before!

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[Michael C.]

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Some prosecutors might disagree. I'd say that as time goes on we might see a further crackdown with various factions of the government chasing after celebrity sponsors ala Doyle. I hope this doesn't occur, but its within the realm of possible.

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[/ QUOTE ] I disagree with this. As I see it, this whole bill was pure politics, and the last thing the Republicans want to do is bring it greater attention, which going after a well known public figure would do. I think it's enough for Frist to be able to preach to his choir that he stopped gambling, while at the same time hoping a lot of poker players don't vote. Any more publicity at this point could hurt them as much as it helps them. And the worst thing they could do (and thus the best for us), would be to go after someone like Doyle, who everybody loves.

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Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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You're wrong. He does own it. In an interview in one of the poker magazines a few months ago, he said he was considering selling it because it takes up so much of his time.

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Source?

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So why is a career professional supposed to work on that instead of drugs or securities fraud?

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Because there is a new law and a few noob 1st or 2nd year prosecutors are going to be told to see what they can do with it.

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No way they will get some of there best lawyers and find a case where a drug dealer/pimp/wife beater/bank robber etc that was also caught playing online poker with a stolen credit card etc.

This way they make case precedence at the local court level, then they hope it gets appealed and then they can win in the higher courts and make a new precedence at that level.

These people are not stupid and they will start with the worst of the worst offenders and cherry pick these cases before going after the rest.

I personally don’t fell they will. If they do they won’t start with some-one like Doyle etc.

To answer the why would a lawyer would be bothered to do this.
1) They get paid regardless of the case.
2) The politicians who want this will owe them big time
3) They will make legal precedence.
4) Etc….

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[permafrost]

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Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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You're wrong. He does own it. In an interview in one of the poker magazines a few months ago, he said he was considering selling it because it takes up so much of his time.

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Source?

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He says he wants to sell, about halfway down the article (http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15525)

Anyone know if he did?

[flafishy]

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I think the ultimate goal is to sell it, because it is just too much work for me at my age. They keep me going all of the time, and I would kind of like to relax. I am sure I will have to sign some sort of personal service contract, but it will be less demanding than what I am doing now.

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This doesn't say that he owns it. Note the pronoun "they."

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I think the ultimate goal is to sell it, because it is just too much work for me at my age. They keep me going all of the time, and I would kind of like to relax. I am sure I will have to sign some sort of personal service contract, but it will be less demanding than what I am doing now.

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This doesn't say that he owns it. Note the pronoun "they."

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Yes, there are lots of pronouns here,

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DB: The poker room is just growing unbelievably. It's probably the fastest-growing poker room; we've grown 20 percent per month since we started nearly two years ago. I think the ultimate goal is to sell it, because it is just too much work for me at my age. They keep me going all of the time, and I would kind of like to relax. I am sure I will have to sign some sort of personal service contract, but it will be less demanding than what I am doing now.


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such as we, I, they, and it for example. Oh, there are verbs, too! Can you list some verbs?

[Suigin406]

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Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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Some prosecutors might disagree. I'd say that as time goes on we might see a further crackdown with various factions of the government chasing after celebrity sponsors ala Doyle. I hope this doesn't occur, but its within the realm of possible.

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The feds going after Doyle Brunson would be the best thing for poker. You'd hear a rallying cry from our community like never before!

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Doyle doesn't own Doyle's Room. He gets paid for the use of his name and image, which is not illegal.

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Some prosecutors might disagree. I'd say that as time goes on we might see a further crackdown with various factions of the government chasing after celebrity sponsors ala Doyle. I hope this doesn't occur, but its within the realm of possible.

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The feds going after Doyle Brunson would be the best thing for poker. You'd hear a rallying cry from our community like never before!

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There was no cry when the SEC open their investigation of him, our community has it's head up it's collective ass. A few posts later nobody will care, we are all too self centered.

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[kleath]

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I think the ultimate goal is to sell it, because it is just too much work for me at my age. They keep me going all of the time, and I would kind of like to relax. I am sure I will have to sign some sort of personal service contract, but it will be less demanding than what I am doing now.

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This doesn't say that he owns it. Note the pronoun "they."

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Yes, there are lots of pronouns here,

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DB: The poker room is just growing unbelievably. It's probably the fastest-growing poker room; we've grown 20 percent per month since we started nearly two years ago. I think the ultimate goal is to sell it, because it is just too much work for me at my age. They keep me going all of the time, and I would kind of like to relax. I am sure I will have to sign some sort of personal service contract, but it will be less demanding than what I am doing now.


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such as we, I, they, and it for example. Oh, there are verbs, too! Can you list some verbs?

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