JMP300z
11-03-2006, 04:07 PM
Background: A conversation at lunch today w/ my super christian gf really irritated me and I was wondering if anyone had any smashbang ways to make her come to her senses? Its very difficult for me because I care about her so much but sometimes I just want to take a baseball bat and knock some sense into her (joke plz).
Probably not...
Anyways summary:
Every year, a bunch of dental students (im in dental school) and some of the doctors go on a mission trip to south america places and go on a tooth pulling spree. Every year, this trip seems to reinforce her faith in god. This past year she claims to have been very moved by the story of James. James didnt know what to believe but went on the mission trip as it would be a fun experience w/ some friends. This year, they were having difficulty extracting a tooth, the doctor asked james to pray for him and guess what, the tooth came out. James cried, asked my gf to hold his hand (??) and everything. OMFGROLFLFSDL GOD!
My line of questioning:
First, I made clear to her that teeth that are difficult to extract often become easier if you let the tooth rest for a few seconds or hold it torqued in one direction allowing the fibers that hold it in to loosen. This is actually proven and most definitely what occured in this instance.
BUT I said, forget the facts, of all the bajillion teeth pulled every day, how many times do people pray before the extraction. "Not many" And yet, almost all of them come out. "so what" ok, well if you prayed before every extraction, god would have a pretty good track record right? "yah i guess", well what about if everyone prayed for their mouth to be caries free, god would have a pretty bad track record right? "maybe god chooses not to free their mouth for some reason".
I went on about some history channel special about some guys in the trenches of ww2 gettin picked off and praying etc and the something like 8/50 guys that survived all claimed god was watching out for them. What about the other 42 who prayed equally?
Her: "God doesnt answer all prayers, he picks and chooses, sometimes he answers them but not directly or not in any way we can see" WTF. "if sometimes someone dies and someone lives, it just means it was their time and not the other persons" She goes on about how everyone has doubts about religion but once you see it, youll understand.
I ask her what happened to her doubts or the doubts of this friend she was talking about, were they answered?, her response "no, its only once you accept god into your heart that the doubts go away."
In other words, in order to believe in god, you must...set aside all questions of logic, ignore all contradictions, ignore all the millinos of unanswered prayers, and...you guessed it...believe in god.
Is it hopeless SMP?
-JP
Probably not...
Anyways summary:
Every year, a bunch of dental students (im in dental school) and some of the doctors go on a mission trip to south america places and go on a tooth pulling spree. Every year, this trip seems to reinforce her faith in god. This past year she claims to have been very moved by the story of James. James didnt know what to believe but went on the mission trip as it would be a fun experience w/ some friends. This year, they were having difficulty extracting a tooth, the doctor asked james to pray for him and guess what, the tooth came out. James cried, asked my gf to hold his hand (??) and everything. OMFGROLFLFSDL GOD!
My line of questioning:
First, I made clear to her that teeth that are difficult to extract often become easier if you let the tooth rest for a few seconds or hold it torqued in one direction allowing the fibers that hold it in to loosen. This is actually proven and most definitely what occured in this instance.
BUT I said, forget the facts, of all the bajillion teeth pulled every day, how many times do people pray before the extraction. "Not many" And yet, almost all of them come out. "so what" ok, well if you prayed before every extraction, god would have a pretty good track record right? "yah i guess", well what about if everyone prayed for their mouth to be caries free, god would have a pretty bad track record right? "maybe god chooses not to free their mouth for some reason".
I went on about some history channel special about some guys in the trenches of ww2 gettin picked off and praying etc and the something like 8/50 guys that survived all claimed god was watching out for them. What about the other 42 who prayed equally?
Her: "God doesnt answer all prayers, he picks and chooses, sometimes he answers them but not directly or not in any way we can see" WTF. "if sometimes someone dies and someone lives, it just means it was their time and not the other persons" She goes on about how everyone has doubts about religion but once you see it, youll understand.
I ask her what happened to her doubts or the doubts of this friend she was talking about, were they answered?, her response "no, its only once you accept god into your heart that the doubts go away."
In other words, in order to believe in god, you must...set aside all questions of logic, ignore all contradictions, ignore all the millinos of unanswered prayers, and...you guessed it...believe in god.
Is it hopeless SMP?
-JP