A9s 25nl - I got berated for this..

[thac]

SB is a 11/4 station (who I recently saw posts on 2p2).. Just wondering if this line is okay, or if it'll be spew in the long run.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $56.90
CO: $24.05
Button: $30.25
SB: $24.30
Hero: $51.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
3 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($2.5, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.5</font>, SB calls.

Turn: T/images/graemlins/club.gif ($5.5, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $49.15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB calls all-in $6.55</font>.
Uncalled bets: $27.6 returned to Hero.

[Phytopath]

You have alot of outs here, but zero fold equity your opponent put basically his whole stack in on the turn before you re-raised, if you have a full 15 outs with no implied odds it is a small mistake but not horrible. I think this play is only a slight loser.

[avfletch]

SB only has 6.55 left behind when you push so you have next to no fold equity so we're basically playing for normal value and thus you are assuming that you are ahead of his range. Let's simplify the problem by assuming that SB had shoved instead which would mean the pot stands at ~$37 and you have to call $16.50 so you're being offered around 2:1.

I don't see villain doing this with less than something like AJ -

pokenum -h ad 9d - js as -- 3d 8d jc tc
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Jc Tc 8d 3d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 9d 15 34.09 29 65.91 0 0.00 0.341
As Js 29 65.91 15 34.09 0 0.00 0.659

And more likely something bigger like JT -

pokenum -h ad 9d - js ts -- 3d 8d jc tc
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Jc Tc 8d 3d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 9d 13 29.55 31 70.45 0 0.00 0.295
Js Ts 31 70.45 13 29.55 0 0.00 0.705

Or a set -

pokenum -h ad 9d - 8h 8s -- 3d 8d jc tc
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Jc Tc 8d 3d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 9d 13 29.55 31 70.45 0 0.00 0.295
8s 8h 31 70.45 13 29.55 0 0.00 0.705

So it looks like its close but this is probably just a -EV push. Not much in it though.

[bdiddy12]

i dont see anything wrong with just calling and check folding a missed river, to improve you pot odds dilema.

[kokiri]

1) you gotta learn to love being berated. It's a good sign.
2) not in this case.

Actually it looks ok,
Here you have almost zero fold equity on the turn because of stack sizes. Hence you're putting in $16.55 into a $48 dollar pot (34%) with 15 outs (33% to improve) - it's a wash. There's some extra ev if your A's are good, less some if he has str8 already and you split/lose with a str8 or he has a set so you have a couple less outs. Anyway, it's probably small +EV, so the berating was unwarranted, but equally, it's not like you're printing money and it's clearly high variance.

Check behind on the turn with the mother of all draws?

[Yaboosh]

Against a nittish calling station I definitely think checking behind on the turn is the way to go. Your fold equity on the turn is nil.

[ActionStan]

In isolation, you're not quite getting the money to call. But I'm assuming you made your draw and thus got berated. This is a beautiful situation for you if he rebuys. Very likely that he will be on tilt and give you that $25 as well.

[orange]

Looks okay. Fine for your image, you may not be priced to hit your draws, but perhaps this play will be good for your image and you'll get action on later hands.