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Bonesy
11-02-2006, 09:14 AM
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $25.80
UTG+1: $14.25
CO: $14.50
Button: $23.35
SB: $46.90
BB: $26.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $3</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO folds.

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif ($7.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $7.35</font>, Hero ???

Villain was 52/9/2.5 over 60 hands. Is this a fold preflop also? I thought with the dead money that maybe I had a call.

Jigsaws
11-02-2006, 09:18 AM
Preflop is borderline with the dead money from CO.

Flop: sucks that Full Tilt has a Bet Pot button, hey? I don't think 6 outs are good enough to make this call.

avfletch
11-02-2006, 09:18 AM
The preflop call looks fine to me but I don't think you can do anything but fold the flop. When you call preflop you're playing for set value. Don't get lured in. Unless you know otherwise (and 52/9 really doesn't suggest it) his 3betting range is *tiny* and he's not letting go of AA/KK postflop hence good odds.

pokenum -h 6s 6c - as ac -- 3s 5h 2c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 3s 2c 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
6s 6c 237 23.94 745 75.25 8 0.81 0.243
As Ac 745 75.25 237 23.94 8 0.81 0.757

So no where near enough overlay to push and calling is just a spew.

hummusx
11-02-2006, 09:40 AM
Would anyone think about betting this? I don't see any option other than bet/fold to raise or check/fold to bet. A near-pot bet sometimes takes down hands like this if villain has Ak/Aq or some other non-pair hand.

hemstock
11-02-2006, 09:42 AM
You don't need to get fancy here. Play for set value and just c/f the flop

ChipStorm
11-02-2006, 11:16 AM
I'd fold to the preflop rr; you may have implied odds for the set, but you're OOP with a smaller pair. 5/10 rule is for hands when you're in position.

Check/fold flop, that's about as bad as it can get. If villain has ANY pair apart from the other two 6s, he's now in better shape than you are. Run away.

Scottery
11-02-2006, 12:10 PM
Dont mind pf. Fold flop as played, he likely has like TT-JJ or something and isnt folding.