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Hail Eris

11-02-2006, 03:56 AM

Villain here seems pretty TAG, a bit on the nitty side preflop, although he limp/calls with SCs.

I've seen villain take the stack-a-donk line with sets a few times, so I think his C/R on this dryish flop is a set like never, and his turn check confirms it. I figure this is either air picking off a cbet or a combo draw. How's my line with this read?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($20)
Hero ($49.25)
SB ($24.05)
BB ($85)
UTG ($55.30)
MP ($27.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $12, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($29.75) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $14, UTG calls $14.

River: ($57.75) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $20.75 (All-In)

Final Pot: $99.25

CaucasianAsian29

11-02-2006, 04:00 AM

I like your c-bet, but then you should fold when he makes it $12. A call here is questionable, but don't continue w/ your C-bet. River is bad, if he calls 14 on turn, then he's calling 20 on river.

xwillience

11-02-2006, 04:49 AM

why the hell would u bet that turn? he just gave you a free card! I just dont know why you would turn this hand into a complete bluff though. The only hand villain is folding on the river is a club draw. :P

On the flop, given your read, I am probably going to push instead of calling the c/r. i think a push >>> call >>= fold.

eigenvalue

11-02-2006, 04:57 AM

Do You really think that he thinks that You hit a gutshot draw? In my opinion, this is a very weak bluff.

Best regards

eigenvalue

Hail Eris

11-02-2006, 05:24 AM

I really don't know why I didn't just shove the flop. His whole line reeked of draw to me and I guess I wanted him to put more money in and then fold on the river.

Anyway as it turned out my read was right, but I just didn't know what to do with it. Villain tanked and then felted 10c8c on the river, which was the sort of hand I wanted to fold out. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

xwillience

11-02-2006, 05:27 AM

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I really don't know why I didn't just shove the flop. His whole line reeked of draw to me and I guess I wanted him to put more money in and then fold on the river.

Anyway as it turned out my read was right, but I just didn't know what to do with it. Villain tanked and then felted 10c8c on the river, which was the sort of hand I wanted to fold out. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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thats a good TAG.

hanster

11-02-2006, 08:59 AM

Push flop. As played, check turn for free card. River ??

jonyy6788

11-02-2006, 11:11 AM

I don't think villain folds 10 8 clubs if you push flop

kokiri

11-02-2006, 11:29 AM

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I don't think villain folds 10 8 clubs if you push flop

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of course not. But TXc is one of the hands you really hope villain doesn't have here.

When villain C/R's flop, he's playing your cards as much as he's playing his own - he's calling your cbet fos. Thus we can expect his range to include a lot of worse hands than T8c and a flop push folds out a lot. What it doesn't fold, we still have draws against. Iss aggro, high variance.

Why did you call the flop - because you thought you had the odds, or to steal the pot? If the latter I think you push the turn to put the 1p hands to the test.

ChipStorm

11-02-2006, 11:33 AM

After he raises the flop, I push or fold. All you really have is an obvious draw, and you may not get paid when you hit.

As played, definitely check turn. You're getting a free card on a pure nut draw; take it.

River situation blows because you didn't check the turn. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

jonyy, villain may not fold to a flop push, but we have 12 outs twice; he doesn't have to fold often to make this +EV.

Scottery

11-02-2006, 12:09 PM

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River is bad, if he calls 14 on turn, then he's calling 20 on river.

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agreed.