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feedmerake

11-01-2006, 04:27 AM

through my last 2500 hands Ive been getting absolutly crushed with AA, down more with it then any other hand...I want to think Im just getting unlucky but Im sure Im also way overplaying some of these big losses, thought Id post a couple that I feel I probably did overplay and get opinions.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
3 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls.

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($3, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, SB raises to $9, Hero calls.

River: 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($21, 2 players)
SB bets $12.5, Hero raises to $58.5, SB calls all-in $21.65.
Uncalled bets: $24.35 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $89.3

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG raises to $2, SB folds, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($12.75, 3 players)
Hero bets $8, UTG raises to $20, Hero calls.

Turn: J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($52.75, 3 players)
Hero is all-in $25.2, UTG calls.

River: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($103.15, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $103.15)

Results:
Final pot: $103.15

Hustlenuss

11-01-2006, 04:34 AM

just my n00b 2 cent:

i especially dislike the check-behind in the first hand. with this board, you don't wanna get fancy but you should wanna find out where you stand. i'd throw in about 2/3psb. turn is very meh. question is if your opponent still would have had the guts to raise you on the turn with nothing (or not very much of a hand) if you had bet the river. if you get raised on the turn after having bet the flop, it's time to muck.

MortenTA

11-01-2006, 05:01 AM

Hand 1: Raise preflop to 2$. Bet flop. Bet Turn - if he still raises you here you have to consider letting your hand go. Because you checked flop the rest of the hand gives you problems. Its really hard to put villain on a hand.

Hand 2: I would push flop here. What hands can he raise with UTG that you dont beat on the flop? I think your ahead on the flop here.

xwillience

11-01-2006, 05:06 AM

hand 1: this is complete spew. bet the flop. fold to the turn c/r.

hand 2: just 3 bet push the flop.

Oranzith

11-01-2006, 05:58 AM

why is calling the minraise on the turn in Hand 1 spew? At that point in the hand, what is villain's range that calls from the SB, then calls a raise?

Hustlenuss

11-01-2006, 06:20 AM

another problem in hand 1 might be that after the flop, sb is likely to think that OP wants to steal the pot and therefore raises the turn with not much of a hand.

Oranzith

11-01-2006, 07:04 AM

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another problem in hand 1 might be that after the flop, sb is likely to think that OP wants to steal the pot and therefore raises the turn with not much of a hand.

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why is this a problem? don't we always want weaker hands to be betting into us?

Hustlenuss

11-01-2006, 08:49 AM

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another problem in hand 1 might be that after the flop, sb is likely to think that OP wants to steal the pot and therefore raises the turn with not much of a hand.

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why is this a problem? don't we always want weaker hands to be betting into us?

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true on one hand. on the other hand, hero still doesn't know where he's at with his hand.

Mrage

11-01-2006, 09:00 AM

I had fun with AA yesterday myself, check this out -

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($10.50)
MP ($3.20)
Button ($13.20)
SB ($9.30)
BB ($9.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.45, 1 fold.

Flop: ($1.60) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.2, Button calls $1.20, SB folds.

Turn: ($4) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.8, Button calls $3.80.

River: ($11.60) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5 (All-In), Button calls $5.

Final Pot: $21.60

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
Button has Kh 9s (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: Button wins $21.60. 

As if that wasn't bad enough...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($5.55)
Hero ($14.85)
BB ($2.45)
UTG ($15.65)
MP ($29.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.2, 1 fold, MP calls $0.80.

Flop: ($2.50) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, MP calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP calls $4.

River: ($13.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP raises to $7.7, Hero calls $6.70.

Final Pot: $28.90

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ad (two pair, aces and queens).
MP has Jd Jh (full house, jacks full of queens).
Outcome: MP wins $28.90. 

As long as you bet it aggressively and know when to get out you will be up, I'm still up quite a bit with AA, but you will have bad runs like this where you get called down by donks who catch BS. Just focus on your play and it will come around.