NL 25: running bad or just bad? 2 big pair hands [Archive]

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Brian O'Nolan

10-30-2006, 10:18 PM

Been running bad lately and I'd like opinions as to whether these are questionable folds/standard/line adjustments.

Hand 1: Villain is 22/5/1.3/150 and seems to play fairly weak tight as stats would suggest.

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BB ($11.30)
UTG ($15.35)
MP ($24.65)
Hero ($26.45)
Button ($2.75)
SB ($17.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $1, Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, MP calls $3.

Flop: ($8.35) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $6, MP calls $6.

Turn: ($20.35) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.35) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP bets $14.65 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $35

Hand 2: Villain is 38/13/0.9/70. Again, play seems in line with stats, pretty passive postflop.

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CO ($29.50)
Hero ($25.85)
SB ($27.95)
BB ($19.95)
UTG ($15)
MP ($30.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $3.5, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.10) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5.

Turn: ($17.10) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($17.10) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $11.45 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $28.55

f1shermanjim

10-30-2006, 11:06 PM

My 2 cents here, says you should be betting the Turn. I'm thinking about 1/2 the pot both times.

I think the Turn check shows weakness and unless you hit hard on the Flop or the Turn I believe you should be betting the Turn. In both hands if you get raised you then I don't think a fold is out of order or a call, then check/fold the river.

I'm still learning, but I think without the Turn bets here you put yourself in a very bad position on the River.

Art Vandalay

10-30-2006, 11:10 PM

Hand 1:
That's a hard call on the river considering he could very well have slow-played trips, or he could have seen your turn check as weakness and thinks his QQ or JJ are good, or b/f the turn. If you get could just be trying to buy the hand. That's why I'd bet half the pot and fold to a push.

Hand 2:
Against a 38/13 player when holding QQ from the button, I'd reraise it to about $13. This is because your initial raise could be seen as a blind steal, and his reraise could be a defense. This could be the reason for his flop check: he didn't want to play the hand, just wanted to defend the blinds. This is also dependent on whether you were raising it up from the button a lot or not. As played, however, play it like I suggest in hand 1: bet half the pot on the turn, fold to a raise.

Bonesy

10-31-2006, 01:06 AM

You can't bet half the pot and fold to a push in either hand because you would be getting huge odds to call both times. They are both tough to play because the pot has become large relative to stack sizes.

In Hand 1, does villain have a hand like AK or KQ or is it a high pocket pair? If he is as weak tight as you say, I'm not sure he is calling the flop without a king. It could be a high pocket pair but a weak tight player most likely would give you credit for a big hand given your preflop 3bet. I hate folding that river though. I don't think it is a bad lay down.

In hand 2, is he 3betting you with a typical 3betting hand or is he putting you on a button steal? Strange flop action give his preflop play. He may have missed overs. His AF is pretty low. Once again, I don't think the lay down is bad.

Brian O'Nolan

10-31-2006, 01:29 AM

In Hand 1, villain's range for calling my 3bet is pretty narrow, I would say JJ+, AK. He instacalled my flop bet which seems like a typical 25NL slowplay, plus I would think this villain is aware there is a decent chance I have AK when I 3bet here.

Hand 2, I have no reason to think he's on a resteal very much, I would say TT+, AQ+. I would expect him to lead that flop with any pp.