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barryc83
10-30-2006, 08:42 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($42)
BB ($69.45)
UTG ($84.15)
Hero ($93.45)
CO ($42.95)
Button ($172.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif.
UTG raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.25) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif 4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5, Button folds, BB raises to $16</font>, UTG folds, Hero raises to $91.45</font>

1) To those who say reraise pre, I had been doing that frequently w/ ak, big pp, and once w/ SCs. Just mixing it up.

2) I just called the flop bet hoping that weaker draws would come along too. When BB check raises I feel like I have some FE if I push, b/c he had like $50 behnd after he raised (making a normal raise leaves him with like 12 left or something and if turn blanks im calling his small remaining stack anyways).

3) After the hand I was thinking about what my call, RR AI represented and to me it represented exactly what I had, a draw. I can't say if villain was a thinking player, but I do not slowplay boards like these and hadn't really slowplayed at all at this table.

4) If I call the raise on the flop I'm geting like 3:1 w/position, but if the turn bricks I'm facing a huge bet on the turn. Also, I don't know if I get paid off with the flush on the turn, I'm fairly sure I get his stack with the straight on the turn.

So how's my play, is this too aggressive? Do I really have much FE here? In hindsight, c/ring this flop seems strong to me (&gt; top pair). Any thoughts appreciated.
RAHZero
10-30-2006, 08:58 PM
Looks fine. I would raise the initial flop bet, since you're really only scared of a set here. Once BB raises, a push is fine after the PFR folds. You're about a 55/45 dog against KJ with a lot of dead money in the pot and hopefully at least some FE, and you're only in bad shape here if BB has a set. I think we can pretty much rule out KK, and JJ would also seem pretty unlikely, so you're really only afraid of 77 if he calls.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I wouldn't say that you're absolutely repping a draw with this line. Almost all good players would fast play a set on this flop, but a lot of donks would slowplay and only wake up once they see that someone else is willing to play a big pot.
dodgybob
10-30-2006, 09:11 PM
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a push is fine after the PFR folds

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pokerchap
10-30-2006, 09:59 PM
i love this push. turn= 10h, right?
Jigsaws
10-30-2006, 10:08 PM
I would personally definitely put you on a draw the way the hand was played.

BB has something better than AK here like always unless he's an aggro donkey.
orange
10-31-2006, 03:34 AM
I usually raise the flop the first time around. I also RR PF, but thats whatever.
Sir Winalot
10-31-2006, 03:39 AM
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I usually raise the flop the first time around. I also RR PF, but thats whatever.

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demon102
10-31-2006, 03:45 AM
Id 3-4 bet the intial flop bet and hoped to get reraised from there. If I just get called than the times I hit my draw on the turn or river it will be hard for villian to put me on that kind of hand. I like AI on the flop as well its kind of like I dare u to call, would even be a good hand to post if u needle him a bit. Comn punk I dare u to call. Would luv to see a post like that.
SubaruSTiMike
10-31-2006, 04:02 PM
A call and a push usually means a draw and if villain has a pair he will call for sure, so pushing ..without fold equity isn't that great, but it's fine. I did this once , almost the same texture of board and cards and my good friend reminded me to just reraise or push the first time.
barryc83
10-31-2006, 04:20 PM
Yeah, I guess I got greedy by trying to keep other draws in. He had a set of 7s so I was a 2:1 dog. After thinking about this hand some, I realize I could've saved myself a lot of trouble by just RR pf. I mean if I RR to $7-8 pf, he probably doesn't call and I probably take down the pot pf or with a c-bet on the flop.