View Full Version : Intercasino ups the monthly to 30xB
canarymofo
10-27-2006, 10:36 AM
Just received the email
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1. Should you prefer to wager less before withdrawing your winnings, you can choose to enter a bonus code for your Monthly Match Deposit that allows you to wager just 18 times the bonus amount. This option includes wagers on all your favorite Slots, Video Poker and Jackpot games but excludes wagers placed on Blackjack, Craps, Baccarat, all forms Roulette and Punto Banco.
2. If you are a Blackjack player, you can choose the second option that requires you to wager 30 times the bonus amount before a withdrawal may be made. The usual game exclusions of Craps, Baccarat, all forms of Roulette and Punto Banco still apply.
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EDIT: plus it's no more risk free
freni126
10-27-2006, 10:49 AM
there goes a whole bunch of EV down the drain.. :/
Does Pontoon = blackjack?
and 3000 x 0.005 = 15, so there's still $85 worth of EV
jonyy6788
10-27-2006, 12:02 PM
30x compared to 25x, not that big of a deal....it just adds an extra $500 of WR. As far as the non-risk free goes, you would get banned from receiving the bonus if you repeatedly played it risk free. This isn't a huge hit to non-US casino whores.
_TKO_
10-27-2006, 04:02 PM
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there goes a whole bunch of EV down the drain.. :/
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$2.50
The extra time required bothers me a bit more, but not enough to discourage me.
Manchild84
10-27-2006, 04:10 PM
How was it risk-free before?
shabun
10-27-2006, 04:20 PM
You played with the bonus money first so you could withdraw your deposit any time.
Anyway, VP is put at 18xb - is that not more EV+? I can't remember but I think the HA for VP is about the same as BJ, but with more variance?
Frogic
10-27-2006, 04:31 PM
SDBJ GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Antti
10-27-2006, 05:35 PM
This is still a very worthwhile bonus. Pontoon baby!
Frogic
10-27-2006, 08:02 PM
Pontoon is for wussies, its all about the single deck. Seriously Man up.
Frogic
people playing it risk free in the past is one of the reasons it is 30x now.
Not that I care since I'm from the US
kioshk
10-27-2006, 09:37 PM
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people playing it risk free in the past is one of the reasons it is 30x now.
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Interesting idea. Any reasoning behind that conclusion?
JackOfSpeed
10-27-2006, 09:43 PM
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people playing it risk free in the past is one of the reasons it is 30x now.
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Interesting idea. Any reasoning behind that conclusion?
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Are you serious?
ImsaKidd
10-27-2006, 11:11 PM
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You played with the bonus money first so you could withdraw your deposit any time.
Anyway, VP is put at 18xb - is that not more EV+? I can't remember but I think the HA for VP is about the same as BJ, but with more variance?
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Pontoon HA is like 1/10th that of VP. It is the best way to clear it IMO.
dzbonus
10-28-2006, 05:23 AM
Some numbers from the Wizard of Odds (http://wizardofodds.com/cryptologic)
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Single Deck Blackjack
The house edge under these rules is 0.07%.
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Pontoon
The house edge is 0.38%.
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Video Poker
Double Bonus
99.11%
Jacks or better
98.25%
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Glad to help.
Antti
10-28-2006, 06:11 AM
Stupid question (I've tried to find the answer at WOO and with google) - what exactly increases the player's edge so dramatically when there's only one deck of cards instead of six or eight? I mean, it can't be card counting, since online the deck is usually shuffled every round.
genuinejon
10-28-2006, 07:31 AM
Say you have A4 and double v dealer's 6. What are the chances dealer has an ace down in one deck, six decks, infinite decks? (3/49 < 23/309 < 1/13).
You can compare actual numbers on WOO Appendix 9 for any hand.
I miss Pontoon already. FU Frist.
dzbonus
10-28-2006, 07:34 AM
It is because the cards already dealt make a much larger impact on the composition of the rest of the deck. What i means is just by seeing the first 3 cards you are 6% deep in the deck. This allows for some major differences in strategy, in particular creating several more situations where you double. You should compare the two charts to see this yourself.
Antti
10-28-2006, 09:12 AM
Ah, that actually makes sense. In SD, you have relatively more important information at your disposal than in eight deck. Indeed, the basic strategy is considerably different.
Frogic
10-28-2006, 12:59 PM
Single Deck on Intercasino also has a minimum $25 bet, so not only is it lower HA you get to embrace your inner gamble. As for pontoon it is very strange that WoO changed the HA on his pontoon page without notice(it used to say 0.17)
Frogic
koolsavas
10-30-2006, 03:55 AM
i think only microgaming pontoon rings in at .38
due to the fact you can't draw after splitting aces and dealer stands soft 17s. most other joints have the opposite to this.
i couldn't find out directly where this info lies within WoO but it was discussed at casinomeister.
Frogic
10-30-2006, 12:25 PM
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i think only microgaming pontoon rings in at .38
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No, WoO changed his pontoon page. He has the microgaming one at .39. http://wizardofodds.com/pontoon and http://wizardofodds.com/cryptologic.
gaming_mouse
10-30-2006, 01:23 PM
I wonder if this change reflects this money they are losing by no longer having the US fishies...
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I wonder if this change reflects this money they are losing by no longer having the US fishies...
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ya I would think so intercasino has lost a lot gamblers
darkcore
11-01-2006, 07:42 AM
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Does Pontoon = blackjack?
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MadMat
11-01-2006, 03:03 PM
I just deposited for the 18x bonus, Pontoon is allowed, but has a $5 minimum bet.
Very +EV but enjoy the variance!!!
Mat
MadMat
11-01-2006, 05:35 PM
has anyone else tried this??? my bonus released long before I got to $1800 wagered . . . .
Mat
MattRain
11-01-2006, 05:38 PM
Did it today by playing Pontoon and 100-hand DB VP, $225 cashout.
Me likes the new 18xB.
They'll soon figure out that they should've excluded every 21 variation.
shabun
11-01-2006, 05:56 PM
for a $5 flat bet, what has bigger variance? JOB or pontoon?
koolsavas
11-01-2006, 08:41 PM
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Did it today by playing Pontoon and 100-hand DB VP, $225 cashout.
Me likes the new 18xB.
They'll soon figure out that they should've excluded every 21 variation.
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are you seriously saying you took the 18x bonus, played some of it on pontoon and have your withdraw already processed?
if so i want on that action, but i'm waiting on funds atm...
MattRain
11-01-2006, 10:07 PM
kool, I'm just waiting for the money to hit my Neteller account.
Pontoon is explicitly allowed at the moment, although I have to assume that it's an error on their part.
Casino operators do not seem to know the HA of their own games. Last month Punto Banco was allowed but not Baccarat (they're essentially the same game)
koolsavas
11-02-2006, 02:16 AM
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...Pontoon is explicitly allowed at the moment...
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they put IN WRITING somewhere that you CAN play pontoon on the 18x bonus code? link please!
all i see is that pontoon is listed on games you can play for the 30x and is NOT on the list of games you CANNOT play for the 18x, but that is only implicitly stating it.
we might infer that since they made a point to list it as okay for the 30x, that it would be a listed no-no for the 18x and since it's not, go ahead and play it. but also we might expect that it be listed as okay then for the 18x yet it is not there.
once you get paid i will do it, might as well burn them for their loophole since it'll close by next month. but i don't want to get busted doing it this month if they are going to turn around and say that pontoon is synonymous with bj.
anyways i'm waiting on multiple cashouts before i can play any monthlies. how long does wall street (boss sw) take to pay? i turned a 20 deposit and 20 bonus into 120 playing the required 800 wr on vp. not bad if you have some change in neteller/whatever and nothing good to hit. i hit two 4oK's in three pulls, catching two 5's to a pair of 5's on the draw. all they have are one-liners iirc, but it's okay if you got time.
MattRain
11-02-2006, 02:49 AM
The full list appears in the cashier after you claim the bonus code. Here it is, from my own account:
Name XXXXXXXXX_mmnovdsl
Promotion Type Bonus
Eligible Games
3 Slots
4 Caribbean Stud Poker
5 Video Poker
10 Keno
12 Pai Gow Poker
13 Lottery
14 Red Dog
15 Let it Ride Poker
23 MP Texas Hold Em Bonus Poker
24 Break the Bank
25 Video Slots
26 Multi-Player Let-It-Ride
29 Rags To Riches 20 Line
31 Multi Player Caribbean Stud Poker
33 Rags To Riches Slot
34 Progressive Keno
36 Multi-hand VideoPoker
37 Multi-hand Video Poker 2
38 Bonus Video Poker 2
39 Video Poker 2
40 Marvel Jackpot Slots 2(25 line)
41 Adult Themed Slot 2
42 Frightmare Jackpot Slots (25 Line)
47 25 Line Slots
48 Cubis
49 SP Texas Hold Em Bonus Poker
50 Special Guest Slot
51 Sweet Thing
52 9-Line Slots
53 Three Card Poker
54 Multi-Player Three Card Poker
60 Millionaires Club
64 Top Hat Magic Slot
65 Star Catcher Slot
69 Cash Caper
70 Pontoon
71 Casino Solitaire
72 Casino War
73 SuperFun 21
74 Fruit Machines
75 Multi-Line Slots 3
76 Bonus Video Poker Games
77 Rapid Fire Jackpot Slots
78 Multi-Player Pontoon
79 Multi-Player Casino War
80 Multi-Player SuperFun 21
81 Adult Themed Slot 1
82 Millionaires Club 9-Line
83 Simple Scratch Card
88 Bejeweled Slots
MattRain
11-02-2006, 02:51 AM
I made sure that Pontoon counted by playing four $5 hands - I then checked the WR meter and it correctly showed 1%. (20/1800=1.11)
darkcore
11-02-2006, 03:20 AM
damn. i took the blackjack code and played $10 a hand pontoon. but i was f'king tired yesterday and just kept playing until the wr was met, so i do not know if i had a 30x playthrough...
koolsavas
11-02-2006, 05:51 AM
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I made sure that Pontoon counted by playing four $5 hands - I then checked the WR meter and it correctly showed 1%. (20/1800=1.11)
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cool man, were you ready to play it out on vp if it wasn't counting? that is so sick!
nice find, i can't believe they would only disallow strict bj and keep the other vingt-et-un variations.
i feel like i should jump on this right away before they up and change it. they don't cover neteller's instacash fee by any chance?
nope, you have to pay the $1
Antti
11-02-2006, 08:17 AM
¤#(¤&#"#"" I took the BJ code too but played Pontoon anyway. Oh well, I did cash out $419 so I won't complain - but I think I did lose a lot of $ clearing the last 10% or so. OTOH, I wouldn't have won that much if I'd withdrawn at 18x... wow, this bonus actually got juicier!
Just finished, took an hour or so with pontoon. high point - 290. low point - 85. Finished with +99 after fees.
koolsavas
11-02-2006, 06:25 PM
el busto x3 cryptos. even used the 18x at inter. no dice. pontoon is not my friend today.
chachi
11-02-2006, 06:41 PM
"Special Guest Slot" is the one to play. This is a rotating slot game that ususally changes every month. It is known to several veteran whores that I know that these slots have a player advantage anywhere between 2% and 7%.
Crypto puts these in as a kind of loss leader to keep players coming back again and again....kind of like how McDonald's keeps bring back the McRib.
IIRC, word about these player friendly games got out when a creative whore went to an online gaming trade show and picked up some sales flyer from crypto.
This +EV game (games actually) haven't been talked about too much, because no one wanted to let the word out.
Now that US players have not reason to play there, I thought I'd spill the beans.
Ortho
11-03-2006, 10:11 AM
Has anyone who has a billion $ in leftover wagering requirement tried depositing for this to see what happens? Does it insist that you complete the leftover WR before it then starts to count for this month's bonus? Does it give you this month's bonus after $3000 withdrawable anyway? Does your deposit not increase your withdrawable balance?
still works...cleared pontoon in roughly 1.5 hrs...
damn, finally luck goes my way, i bet $10 on my last hand, doubled and hit a 5 trick... won $50... final cashout $250..
_TKO_
11-04-2006, 06:46 PM
mtx, what bet size?
MattRain
11-04-2006, 06:55 PM
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"Special Guest Slot" is the one to play. This is a rotating slot game that ususally changes every month. It is known to several veteran whores that I know that these slots have a player advantage anywhere between 2% and 7%.
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Interesting. I experimented in practice mode with an autoclicker and it seems to be true with $200 spins /images/graemlins/shocked.gif, but not with mininum $0.20 spins. Starting with $5000, I was down to $4750 after several 10,000's of $0.20 spins. Up to $40k after about 10,000 $200 spins, but I came dangerously close to busting out several times.
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mtx, what bet size?
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just did flat $5 betting....if you double up and hit a 5 trick hand, it automatically pays 2:1....
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You played with the bonus money first so you could withdraw your deposit any time.
Anyway, VP is put at 18xb - is that not more EV+? I can't remember but I think the HA for VP is about the same as BJ, but with more variance?
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lately it hasn't been risk free, (since needing a code I think)when you deposit, your money and the bonus have been locked until the bonus is cleared.
dink
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