KK from BB getting "too" much callers + ugly flop

[Vammakala]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

CO ($50)
Button ($38.55)
SB ($52.95)
Hero ($236.35)
UTG ($31.45)
MP ($57.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.5</font>, UTG calls $4, MP folds, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, SB folds.

Flop: ($19) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($19) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: ($19) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $8.5</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $34.05</font>, Hero folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $61.55

UTG here is 60/30/3, no solid read on the others yet. Should I bet somewhere during this hand ? So many callers, someone is bound to have an ace, no? Nobody's betting? Turn is also ugly since now pretty much everything beats me.

I found out their hands after they started talking about their hands so assuming they weren't lying, I know what each player had (Except the one who didn't commit any munies postflop.

[kabouter]

with this much callers, I'm pretty sure someone either has an A or a Q or a pocket pair of 9's, you are out of position too. I think the button was slowplaying this one...

[Vammakala]

Also, this was very next hand against the UTG guy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

UTG ($45.50)
MP ($59.80)
Hero ($231.85)
SB ($18.45)
BB ($57.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $18.45</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero ???

Just wondering if I should call this. This was closely related since it was against the same aggro villain who just lost in a big pot. Is this instacall, maybe call, high variance flip call or a horrible call? I usually don't post two hands in the same thread but I think the first one affects this one so..

[kazana]

If you do continue in the 2nd hand put him all-in.
Your hand wants to see all 5 cards rather than only 3.

Oh, and this must be two hands later (UTG -&gt; SB), but if you really believe he could be tilting go for it.

[pokerchap]

easy c/f all the way down.

[Shaddux]

I instacall.

[BombayBadboy]

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I instacall.

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[Vammakala]

Shaddux, which one?

And his raise was all-in, no more action on that one - the converter just felt it was unnecessary to mention it in there. I called, he just happened to have AA there - very mixed feelings when flop came down Axx /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Jigsaws]

Definitely call second hand. Hand 1 is just an annoying situation, but check-fold is correct everywhere.

[pokerchap]

definitley call the shortie in hand 2

[Pokey]

The first hand is an EASY fold. At this point your hand only beats a bluff, and given two players betting like crazy, you can be pretty sure that they're not both bluffing. Swear and fold. (P.S.: I also like the flop and turn play here -- you just don't have a hand that can survive this much heat on this board.)

In the second hand, I push. Villain's range includes MANY hands that you dominate badly (AQ, KQ, Ax, Kx, Qx, total garbage). More importantly, your hand is no worse than a coinflip against almost any possible hand. Even against QQ you're a 55/45 underdog, and that's no big deal. This is a high-variance but +EV play: make it, with no regrets.

[testaaja]

I would make a bigger raise pf because I want it 3-way or less. Something like $6.
Flop, turn and river are standard.

Edit: For the second hand I probably push. SUCKS if he has AA, really, but I don't really see any other option without stats there.

[Vammakala]

In the second hand, his raise WAS A PUSH. Just to point out that pushing would be silly (also impossible!)

In the first one, the pot is $3 before I make my raise so it's already a slight overbet, perhaps making it even bigger might work. The hands they said they had would've probably called here as well and betting on AQx board 3-way from worst position doesn't exactly appeal to me too much either.

I guess $5-$6 would've been better, but I seriously didn't expect so many calls for this raise either. Generally people like to limp-fold, I guess it was the first one that initiated the wave of calls ;P

[Sir Winalot]

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Definitely call second hand. Hand 1 is just an annoying situation, but check-fold is correct everywhere.

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Yup, the guy is most likely tilting.