Follow-up to McCaskill thread - Placing an Ad in a big paper?

[Indiana]

Ok so after we have shipped the $$ to our friend in Missouri, should we consider a collection to put an ad in a big newspaper somewhere? How much would that cost?

Indy

[addictontilt]

The Mccaskill race is getting national attention too, saw it on MSNBC a few days ago

[Indiana]

I'm sorry, I don't mean an ad about the senator, I mean an ad about poker.

Indy

[addictontilt]

what is the objective? National attention? I suggest USA Today - I can check on full ad rates, how do we get money for it??? It's gonna be pricey.

[Indiana]

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what is the objective? National attention? I suggest USA Today - I can check on full ad rates, how do we get money for it??? It's gonna be pricey.

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Yah for public attention. How much is pricey do u figure?

Indy

[addictontilt]

rate request in for USA today, asked for quarter page full color to full page, section "A" Nationwide circulation, will get rates and post, need 24 hours, best guess between 50k to 200k, but I may be WAY off, I'll post it when i get it.

[Indiana]

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rate request in for USA today, asked for quarter page full color to full page, section "A" Nationwide circulation, will get rates and post, need 24 hours, best guess between 50k to 200k, but I may be WAY off, I'll post it when i get it.

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WOWSERS!!!! That much money? Somebody is getting seriously rich.

Indy

[addictontilt]

like I said, I might be way off - national is not cheap,and political money is driving ad rates up (our tax dollars at work /images/graemlins/smile.gif) , last rate i heard American Idol was commanding 200k per 30sec spot,I'll post rates when I have them, dollars will be the next issue

[MagCFO]

full page color ad in the USA today = $100k. 1/4 page, black and white only = $25,000

[Indiana]

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full page color ad in the USA today = $100k. 1/4 page, black and white only = $25,000

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Could we raise that much cash for our cause?

[Uglyowl]

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full page color ad in the USA today = $100k. 1/4 page, black and white only = $25,000

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Could we raise that much cash for our cause?

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I am not saying it is a bad idea, but we should put some serious thought into it before spending that much money.

Honestly we are starting at the ground floor with this and the Missouri race seems a good place to start.

[addictontilt]

http://www.usatoday.com/media_kit/usatoday/ai_rates_national_circulation.htm

[addictontilt]

oops meant to hit this too
Monday - Thursday Friday
Ad Size B&W Color B&W Color
Spread $201,100 $318,200 $245,200 $388,200
Half Spread $130,400 $206,900 $159,200 $252,700
Full Page $100,400 $159,100 $122,500 $194,000
Junior Page $83,200 $132,000 $101,400 $161,200
2/3 Page $80,200 $127,400 $97,800 $155,400
1/2 Page $65,200 $103,500 $79,600 $126,400
1/3 Page $50,500 $80,000 $61,500 $97,600
1/4 Page $40,300 $62,300 $49,100 $76,100

[addictontilt]

well that came out looking like crap sorry, click on the link for the rates, basically we need a lot of money, and then someone needs to design this beast

[Indiana]

thanks for all ur good work man...yah this looks expensive.

Indy

[addictontilt]

okay a few ideas

1. can we get the sites to pitch in? who has contacts?
2. who collects the money?
3. Poker orgs get in on it? PPA nrog?
4. what about like pocket fives, cardplayer etc?

we can raise money quick, can a trusted affialiate collect it, maybe taking neteller donations?

Any other ideas?

[cowboyzfan]

Why support mcaskill? where has she said she would repeal the online gambling ban? to me this seems like a political trick by desperate mcaskill supporters. if there was an add simply by poker players, to support liberty, I am in. But no way would i give money to a power hungry left winger in the name of poker, lol, what a scam!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grac]

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okay a few ideas

1. can we get the sites to pitch in? who has contacts?
2. who collects the money?
3. Poker orgs get in on it? PPA nrog?
4. what about like pocket fives, cardplayer etc?

we can raise money quick, can a trusted affialiate collect it, maybe taking neteller donations?

Any other ideas?

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lol at should sites kick in. They should be paying in full, the profit loss we are all experiencing is nothing compared to what the sites had to lose yet it's on us to fund raise and save online poker. wtf

[addictontilt]

its not really a support mcaskill thread at least this topic, the thread about mccaskill is here

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=1#Post7770567 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7770567&an=0&page=1#Post 7770567)

we talked about and ad in the paper, and that is where this came from

[addictontilt]

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okay a few ideas

1. can we get the sites to pitch in? who has contacts?
2. who collects the money?
3. Poker orgs get in on it? PPA nrog?
4. what about like pocket fives, cardplayer etc?

we can raise money quick, can a trusted affialiate collect it, maybe taking neteller donations?

Any other ideas?

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lol at should sites kick in. They should be paying in full, the profit loss we are all experiencing is nothing compared to what the sites had to lose yet it's on us to fund raise and save online poker. wtf

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bottom line : we need help quick, any support is welcome

[Arcturus]

How about a poker tournament to raise money?

Seriously.

[addictontilt]

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How about a poker tournament to raise money?

Seriously.

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actually really good idea

[latefordinner]

Could one of the sites let us set up a tourney where half the entry fees go into the payout structure and half the entry fees go into a fight-the-ban fund.

I agree that poker sites should be spending way more time/money arguing their cause, but there's something to be said for the "authenticity" of grassroots actions.

though "authenticity" has lost out to corporations buying whatever laws they want for a few decades now.

[addictontilt]

can email full tilt and check, let me get back to you

[latefordinner]

What about placing an ad in a Missouri paper (would be cheaper) like the STL Post-Dispatch and then sending out press releases to national papers trying to get a story out of it. Then we could kill two birds with a cheaper stone.

The whole ("rush of support for democratic candidate in backlash against the incumbent party for the UIGEA") story is actually an interesting one - especially since in my experience, the online semi-pro poker population leans conservative/libertarian

[latefordinner]

and as was mentioned previously the Missouri race is currently a frequent national news story

[addictontilt]

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The whole ("rush of support for democratic candidate in backlash against the incumbent party for the UIGEA") story is actually an interesting one - especially since in my experience, the online semi-pro poker population leans conservative/libertarian

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Might make a good spin for the story, does it matter as long as the issue gets into the public eye? i am a life long republican except for now, I want change, and voting out the incumbents is the only way I can think of to make my voice heard

[latefordinner]

well there's a variety of angles, but all I'm saying is that #1) placing an ad in a Missouri paper would be a lot cheaper than going the full national route and that #2) with some well written press releases we could actually probably get some national stories about the campaign and ad b/c it's such a high profile race and such a novel thing to happen

[addictontilt]

not a bad idea, anybody know what the big paper is in saint louis? Is the dispatch the big one?

[cowboyzfan]

look, this is quite simple. If people are serious about making a political statement for online poker, AKA freedom of choice, then let's do this thing. If people want to make this a political thing, supporting Democrats, this will fall flat on its ass and split this community.

I like the tournament idea, and can even go along with the St. Louis approach, but not to give money to a left wing Democrat who has said nothing to support online gambling or personal freedom.

Notice i have never mentioned her opponent, i am not "in his camp". But if we are serious about making a statement about our SHARED beliefs, then let's do it.

[latefordinner]

Yes the Post-Dispatch is the main one.

cowboyzfan - how do you suggest we "do this thing" if "this thing" isn't putting money against incumbents? The fact of the matter is that is Republicans who wrote this bill, who attached it to unrelated legislation, and who signed it into law. Saying "the Democrats would have done it as well" or But Republicans are supposed to be small-government folks just doesn't cut it.

It's not about supporting any candidate (or else we would be looking for a pro-poker candidate). It's about sending a message on a national scale that Republicans are "being punished" for pandering to the extreme fundamentalist xian wing of their base.

And in this case, the incumbent from Missouri is not only Republican, but he's a Christian evangelical - exact the folks that need to get out of the Repub party if it's ever going to become a "small government" party again. (If it ever has been but that's another debate)

Seriously I don't want to make this a partisian issue as well, so if you have other ideas speak them, but if you just want to debate politics we should take it to another thread.

Our SHARED belief is that this was a [censored] bill that got passed in a [censored] way in a show of blatant pandering -- a message needs to be sent that the Dude does not abide with that man....

[cowboyzfan]

first of all, i am not against Christians or Conservatives. I am against "Christian Conservatives" the political group that thinks the government should legislate their morality above others. I am Christian and Conservative/libertarian, but never would i claim to be a "Christian Conservative".

Look, i respect your desire for dialouge, i will not attack you, just debate. You can blame the Republicans for this bill but the fact is the vast majority of Democrats voted for the bill. These people are not stupid, even if Frist put it in a port security bill, they knew what they were voting for.

I believe the Democratic party is about bigger government, more taxes, and not for more freedom. If you look at exit polls and statistics, you will see that the vast majority of libertarians vote Republican.

I am not defending Republicans, they are dead wrong on this issue and they should pay in some way. But the reality is Democrats have nothing to do with this. This is a fight among Republicans. The Repubican party is made up of two camps, Christian Right and Libertarian. Democrats are just trying to score points wherever they can, they never stood for individual rights. And the guy that mentioned the ACLU, lol. That is not about liberty, that is about bashing America. True freedom is economic first.

anyway, I am just trying to say all poker players can support the right to gamble your own money. Can we find a better way to support this than to give money to a liberal in Missouri who will do nothing to repeal this ban?

btw, want to debate sir, anytime, and i will enjoy it. have not been to the oot forum in a long while /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Poofler]

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not a bad idea, anybody know what the big paper is in saint louis? Is the dispatch the big one?

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Post-Dispatch is the only widely circulated paper around here. And we love us our gambling - several casinos in the area.

[addictontilt]

Okay - Status update - Full tilt has beed emailed as to the poker tourney, need advice for buy ins: Less than $20 1500 chips, over $20 3k in chips, I vote $20 buyin but I'd like comments.

How about half to whomever is going to benefit? And half to the tourney winner? Discussions on this would be nice too.

I'll post ad rates for St Louis in a bit, but we have an issue...who is going to take the money from the tourney and other donations and pay for the ad? Affialate? PPA, Seen the poker Ace guy posting, need suggestions on this too, as I develop info I'll post, I cannot check my email for tourney until tonight, so lets get this hammered out.

This action the tourney and the ad,and possible money for people running aganst the incumbent is to protest what they (the incumbents) did, nothing more nothing less. I am a hard core republican and will cross party lines, not because I agree with the democrats, but because I intend to punish the incumbents at every level. We will get more support if we approach it this way, everyone agreed?

[Indiana]

wow looks like a lot has evolved w/ this thread. I'll be in meetings at work all day but will certainly scan this tonight.

Indy

[Squarehoop1]

I would send all the money to McCaskill. The idea is to make a very large spike in the donation pile. If we do that then the news media will notice and seek out the PPA, poker sites and players, they will in effect give free advertising. I think you would be better off paying party poker and pokeroom to send out an email with the forum thread in it then you would get out of a newspaper ad.

It would be nice to run a US Today Ad with a link to the thread, but by the time we raised that kind of money we would be out of time.

I say stay focused. Send your donation emails to every poker player, poker forum, and poker site you can find. Always include a link to the main thread so they can repeat what you have done. I think this kind of time investment is more valuable advertising then traditional media.

However, it is a good idea, if we had more time I would be all for it, or if you have the money yourself, feel free.

[Uglyowl]

Intersting development in this race

Limbaugh Says Fox Was Acting
Missouri U.S. Senate candidate Claire McCaskill (D) "thought she had a winner when actor Michael J. Fox, who suffers from Parkinson’s disease, endorsed her in an emotionally powerful commercial," according to the Kansas City Star.

"Then Rush Limbaugh jumped feet first into the petri dish, accusing Fox of 'exaggerating the effects of the disease.'"


My note: He later apoligized after his listeners took him to task