$50NL - Flop bottom pair and NFD. Turn trips. Villain raises.

[Preytar]

I'm just getting started in NL after a long run in limit. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Villain has bet draws and made hands identically when in position. He has not played many hands out of position. He has noticed that I do not play a lot of hands, and I usually raise when first in the pot. We have been avoiding each other for about 60 hands.



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Preytar ($84.60)
Button ($48.25)
SB ($123.25)
BB ($80.50)
UTG ($47.45)
UTG+1 ($46.20)
MP1 ($32.55)
MP2 ($51.50)
MP3 ($27.40)

Preflop: Preytar is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Preytar raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Preytar bets $2.5</font>, BB calls $2.50.

Turn: ($9.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Preytar bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $25</font>, Preytar ?


Brian

[xwillience]

man this really really really really sucks.

given your read, i doubt we are ahead very often. I suppose this could be TT/88 but im more inclined to put him on 99/55. Theres no hand in his range, other than A2 i guess, that includes a 2, and I think an OP like TT/JJ would raise the flop at the very least.

Calling the c/r and folding to a bet on the river is an option, as hes probably not going to bet a PP into you again.

Folding here sux bad but his line looks exactly like a set that just filled up meaning you have 1 out.

It is remotely possible that he took a wierd line with AA/KK/QQ. How much more information can you give here? has he shown any creativity that you have noticed at all? or is he a very str8 forward player?

[shpanko]

I agree that 55 and 99 are in villain's range but I don't think we should ever be folding this. He is just as likely to have TT-AA, A9, 95, K2s, 32s 67c, KQc etc. If you have been double barreling a lot at this table then I think this is a ust call. It's too bad you both are kind of deep because with only 100 BB's this would be an insta shove.

As is I still don't think I can fold this. It's close between raising here or calling and letting him fire again on the river. Which you do depends on whether you think he's semi-bluffing a draw or has a hand like TT-AA or something like A9.

[Shaddux]

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It is remotely possible that he took a wierd line with AA/KK/QQ.

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This would be an EXTREMELY weird line with AA-QQ.

I think we have to call the turn raise and fold the river if he bets again.

Or you can quad up on the river. That's definitely +EV.

[Preytar]

He hasn't gotten way out of line in the 60 hands that I have seen. I have little to no information on his play out of position as he has done it so rarely.

Brian

[Preytar]

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Or you can quad up on the river. That's definitely +EV.

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Awesome.

[EMc]

This is a trivally easy push IMO. You are ahead here almost always.

[Jigsaws]

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This is a trivally easy push IMO. You are ahead here almost always.

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QFT.

[Preytar]

Let's go to the next street...

Flop: ($4.25) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($9.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Preytar bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $25</font>, Preytar calls $17.

River: ($59.25) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $51 (All-In)</font>, Preytar?


Now what?

Brian

[smartalecc5]

Ughhhh, go all in on the turn. Makes the river decision negligble.

[Dave I]

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This is a trivally easy push IMO. You are ahead here almost always.

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And instacall the river.

[pyedog]

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This is a trivally easy push IMO. You are ahead here almost always.

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QFT.

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You guys don't think there's something to be said for just calling to allow him to potentially keep bluffing or to make a curious river call with a PP or something like A9?

I know that there are plenty of worse hands that he could call our turn push with (such as any 2), but he might fold some decent second best hands to our push though (if he can't beat the big PP which he might put us on).

[pyedog]

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Let's go to the next street...

Flop: ($4.25) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($9.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Preytar bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $25</font>, Preytar calls $17.

River: ($59.25) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $51 (All-In)</font>, Preytar?


Now what?

Brian

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Well he probably doesn't have a 5 here because that would have been a ballsy turn check raise with a lone 5. I think you need to call because he's probably either got a monster like 99 or else nothing, such as a missed draw.

[pokerchap]

if your going to call the turn, your going to call that river. but PUSH THE TURN next time.

[Preytar]

I felt I should have pushed the turn, but I just could not pull the trigger. I'm not upset about villain's hand, and I think I learned a lot from the way he played it. I don't see any way around losing my money here. I'm learning. Thanks for the replies.

River: ($59.25) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $51 (All-In)</font>, Preytar calls $51.

BB has 5s 5d (four of a kind, fives).
Preytar has Ac 2c (full house, twos full of fives).
Outcome: BB wins $161.25. </font>

Brian

[Antinome]

That flop bet isn't big enough. You want fold equity on the flop. You should be betting closer to pot, not setting your price to draw.

Note that villian is an idiot who lets you set your price to draw, and could have gotten his ass handed to him if that turn had been a club.

[kurto]

I am surprised everyone pushes here.

The villains line is one we see a dozen times a night. Its the vintage flopped set slowplay.

Before I started leading my sets... for a year or two I did this exact line everytime I had a set.

(note- I've been returning to this line at some tables because I've been folding out too many lags who will bet any flop checked to them but have been getting too suspicious of people who lead into them.)

[Shaddux]

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This is a trivally easy push IMO. You are ahead here almost always.

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And instacall the river.

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If I read OP correctly, villain is basically TAG.

Dave I and EMc: what are hand ranges for villain?