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BombayBadboy
10-20-2006, 02:21 PM
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $44.15
CO: $57.85
Button: $23.60
Hero: $69.55
BB: $9.25

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $9.25</font>, UTG calls, Hero..?

Wow, I was confused here. Shortstack is your typical ratholer. He had been pushing a few times, didnt get called. UTG seems loose passive preflop, havent see him go past the flop often. What do I do here? And more important maybe, why?
kyleparks
10-20-2006, 04:10 PM
i would call.

he could be pushing a weaker ace / AT-Q. he could have the same hand, and if not he probably has 55-TT. i dont see him pushing with AA or KK
BombayBadboy
10-20-2006, 04:16 PM
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i would call.

he could be pushing a weaker ace / AT-Q. he could have the same hand, and if not he probably has 55-TT. i dont see him pushing with AA or KK

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Did you notice UTG limp/ calling the shortstacks allin?
Gravy
10-20-2006, 04:18 PM
I would push to fold out UTG. You have the best hand here the vast majority of the time, you very likely have BB dominated, and you don't want to let UTG see a flop.
Jouster777
10-20-2006, 04:18 PM
AK vs shorty push = instacall
kyleparks
10-20-2006, 04:22 PM
i didnt notice that. i would actually fold. If you push you are just protecting agianst the all in who probably has a coin flip against you, and the other guy could have you beat. you only have 2 dollars invested and you can pick a better spot i think.
Khabbi
10-20-2006, 04:29 PM
UTG knows you have yet to act and you've made a pretty stong bet (5x). If it had only been 2 or 3, I could see him thinking you're weaker. He's the meat in the sandwich play yet he's calling. He must have a strong hand and you are at best 50/50 and at worst dominated.

I can't see how staying in this hand is a good play, I fold.
Jay Riall
10-20-2006, 04:34 PM
UTG is extremely likely to be a total donk here. This is an instashove.
Scary_Tiger
10-20-2006, 04:35 PM
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UTG is extremely likely to be a total donk here. This is an instashove.

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kyleparks
10-20-2006, 04:37 PM
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UTG is extremely likely to be a total donk here. This is an instashove.

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Or he has KK/QQ and wants to see a non ace flop before going on. Thats a good way to find out you are behind fast.
Scary_Tiger
10-20-2006, 04:39 PM
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UTG is extremely likely to be a total donk here. This is an instashove.

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Or he has KK/QQ and wants to see a non ace flop before going on. Thats a good way to find out you are behind fast.

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UTG limp/calls and you put him on KK/QQ?
Jay Riall
10-20-2006, 04:39 PM
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UTG is extremely likely to be a total donk here. This is an instashove.

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Or he has KK/QQ and wants to see a non ace flop before going on. Thats a good way to find out you are behind fast.

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Lol. You have a serious case of monsters under the bed. Maybe if UTG limp reraised. But he has limp-called a shorties all-in. I would be suprised if villain showed you a big hand here.
Shaddux
10-20-2006, 04:41 PM
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I would be suprised if villain showed you a big hand here.

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Yaboosh
10-20-2006, 04:48 PM
Overlay of the pot + chance that the villain is a moron with an unpaired hand compensates for the many times he has 66-JJ here. Poooosh.
pokerchap
10-20-2006, 04:56 PM
i think this is a very easy call if UTG hadn't call. now its either a push or fold.
Jay Riall
10-20-2006, 05:24 PM
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i think this is a very easy call if UTG hadn't call. now its either a push or admit you hate money .

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FYP
kyleparks
10-20-2006, 06:10 PM
i limp with KK/AA once in a blue moon UTG. what if he limped with KK planning to C/r but had all this action behind him and wanted to keep the hero in?

monsters are scarey!!!!
AZplaya
10-20-2006, 06:13 PM
this is a super standard shove IMHO.
Jay Riall
10-20-2006, 06:17 PM
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i limp with KK/AA once in a blue moon UTG. what if he limped with KK planning to C/r but had all this action behind him and wanted to keep the hero in?

monsters are scarey!!!!

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ZOMG, once in a while we don't have the best hand! Let's just sit around all day and play the nuts! Let me guess - you run at like 10/2/0.5 yeah?
dano
10-20-2006, 06:56 PM
Given UTG's loose passiveness preflop, I would push all in here. You want to push UTG out of the pot and have him in a coin toss or beat very often here. You also haven't seen UTG go past the flop often which suggests that UTG likes to fold. A push all in will get you HU versus BB often here, and that is good.