FR NL50 - Got trips but there's a drawy 3 flush on the turn

[kidpokeher]

Only a few hands on villain but it seems like he played a lot of pots. I dunno what to do here but I might let this go if I get raised. Weak? Edit: I'm going to put the whole hand in because not only is the turn troublesome, but there are also a lot of ways to get beat on the river.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50.75
UTG+1: $50.30
MP1: $66.15
MP2: $39.45
MP3: $45
CO: $35.35
Button: $7.55
Hero: $49.50
BB: $52.75

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif
4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25 <font color="#000000">(pot was $1.25)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($1.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5</font>, BB folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif ($11.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7</font>, MP3 calls.

River: A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($25.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $13</font>

[bgoalie35]

I might let it go if raised, but it would depend on the raise amount and the Villain. If its a loose Villain and a smallish raise, I'm definitely calling and seeing the river. Everything looks good so far.

[EMc]

If raised call or push. There arent many legit flushes left, but there are a lot of worse hands still out there. Also too, lead the flop.

[bgoalie35]

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If raised call or push. There arent many legit flushes left, but there are a lot of worse hands still out there. Also too, lead the flop.

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I didn't notice the check on the flop. Definitely lead the flop. Good point about the flushes too.

[kidpokeher]

Why do you prefer a lead? To me that board is screaming c/r.

[BombayBadboy]

Lead the flop on a draw heavy board. Terrible if it gets checked through.

Turn is iffy, and I have problems with this myself. Against a guy that plays a lot of pots, yeah bet it. Against a TAG I'm not so sure.

On the river I like your bet. He has something he likes, probably an A. AQ and AJ seem unlikely, A5 too because aleady have two of them. If he goes allin I call.

[bgoalie35]

For one, I don't like check raising my sets when noone has shown any aggression because its almost too strong. I don't really want Villain to fold, I want him to make a mistake in calling. If I lead, I can set the price for the draws, and I'm sure most Ax hands come along while way behind.

Also, noone has shown any aggression so far in this hand, so I can't be certain my c/r won't wiff and give a free card.

BTW, I don't mind that river card at all, in fact, I'm thrilled to see it. The better full houses that beat you aren't very likely from a pf limper (JJ, QQ, AJ, AQ, A5 (but only one 5 left in the deck).

[kidpokeher]

Good points. I come from a stud background where we're always looking for spots to pull a c/r and get an extra bet. It's a habit I need to break.

And, yeah I was happy about the ace as well. I figured if he was holding QQ, AJ or AQ he would have raised preflop. I guess I didn't need to include the river.

[kongs]

I think its well played. I call and/or push the river. Very likely that he hit trips on the river and will be getting stacked.

[ajmargarine]

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Why do you prefer a lead? To me that board is screaming c/r.

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c/r's have a tendency to end hands. When you have a set, you want the hand to go on and on and on. Lead it.

[flowerizzle]

wouldve bet pot/pushed the river. most likely u get called by ax or a flush. if he was drawing for the flush and hit it on turn he wont let it go on the river. if he called the turn bet with ax he wont let it go if he hit the 3rd ace on the river. if he hit a higher fh scream OMFGZ BADBEAAATT LUCKBOXXX FU!!!!111 and get ur money back a few hands later.

[kidpokeher]

What do you think of this one in comparison? Rather than start a new thread, I wanted to post this hand here because it's similar to the last.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
8 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $50.60
UTG+1: $101.20
MP1: $95.25
MP2: $36.35
CO: $29.65
Button: $50.90
SB: $21.85
BB: $8.50

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero calls $0.5 <font color="#000000">(pot was $0.75)</font>, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $2</font>, BB calls, Hero calls $1.5 <font color="#000000">(pot was $5.5)</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($10, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds.

Turn: 3/images/graemlins/club.gif ($21, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $20</font>

I went into protection mode against a LAG 34/7. The turn was tough. Figured my only options were to ch/fold or bet strong, hoping he'll fold a draw, and prepare to lose my stack if called. If it was a TAG I was against, I might have let it go.

[machine]

i would get my money in here this could be a weak over pair like 1010 or may even be 77 in my opinion im stacking or being stacked here. Oh on the flop you have to bet more, especially 5 way i would make it 8.50-10

oh turn bet is standard, i would also call a push here