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Jay Riall

10-20-2006, 01:08 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($43.37)
Hero ($43)
BB ($107.73)
UTG ($95.95)
MP ($20.95)
CO ($22.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
3 folds, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $2.8, BB calls $2.80, Button calls $2.80.

Turn: ($11.40) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $9, BB calls $9, Button raises to $19.71, Hero calls $30.20 (All-In), BB folds, Button calls $19.49.

River: ($98.80) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $98.80

Looking back on this hand it really looks like he flopped the flush. How is my turn play? Should I just call and hope to fillup on the river?

Jouster777

10-20-2006, 01:16 PM

The NFD also does this. Turn is clearly push or fold and I like the push.

Jay Riall

10-20-2006, 01:17 PM

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The NFD also does this.

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Surely the nfd raises the flop?!?

ymu

10-20-2006, 01:30 PM

You're getting the right odds to fill up on the river, and this is often AdXo so a call is very +EV.

I'd just call as we don't have any FE, but we're putting the last 10 in on any non-diamond river if we have to.

ajmargarine

10-20-2006, 01:34 PM

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The NFD also does this.

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Surely the nfd raises the flop?!?

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Not always, and not totally terrible if he doesn't. He's got a bettor and a caller before him. He can call, hope for a blank like he got, then raise the turn after both you guys put money in before him.

Jay Riall

10-20-2006, 01:39 PM

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The NFD also does this.

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Surely the nfd raises the flop?!?

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Not always, and not totally terrible if he doesn't. He's got a bettor and a caller before him. He can call, hope for a blank like he got, then raise the turn after both you guys put money in before him.

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I'm not saying he should raise it. I'm saying if someone is willing to semibluff with the Ad after strength has been shown, it would be better to do it with 2 cards to come?
Do you agree with my turn action the AJ?

ajmargarine

10-20-2006, 01:42 PM

Yes, he's got AdXx enough, given the turn ace, for you to be goot.

Pokey

10-20-2006, 03:17 PM

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Yes, he's got AdXx enough, given the turn ace, for you to be goot.

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Agreed, and the highlighted part is *crucial*. If the turn had been Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif instead of A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, this is an easy fold. People play loose aces often enough at these levels that he could easily have hit top pair or even two pair with that turn card, and with the flush card providing him nut draws if he's behind, the big raise is actually a very good play on his part. Your play is fine, all things considered. Note well: even if he flipped up a flush, you had proper chasing odds to at least call the turn bet.

ColdSteel

10-20-2006, 03:21 PM

I've often thought that overbetting to 1/5-1/3 of effective stacks on the flop is a good way to kill impled odds here. You'd allso have to do this with the flush. The ace of diamonds will correctly call a PSB at every opportunity.

Discuss.