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Roadstar
10-19-2006, 09:12 PM
50NL 6 max

Hero in BB with Q /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif

Reads - villain relatively unknown, but HUD tells me hes reasonable preflop 26/8
Button is a poor LPP.

Preflop:

Folds to UTG+1 (Villain) calls, Button calls, SB completes, I check.

Flop:

5 /images/graemlins/club.gif2 /images/graemlins/club.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

SB Checks, Hero bets $1.50, Villain Calls, Button Calls, SB folds

Turn J /images/graemlins/club.gif

Hero bets $6.50, Villain calls, Button folds

River A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Hero bets $15, Villain minraise to $30, Hero?!??!?!?!?!

What to do on river?

Is flop a check for me instead?

Thanks!
Gravy
10-19-2006, 09:13 PM
Hand looks good, I'd call the river.
pokerchap
10-19-2006, 09:14 PM
i agree. just call, u played it good
Roadstar
10-19-2006, 09:20 PM
Gravy,

Theoretically, how big of a raise before I fold, vs a relative unknown?

Thanks
gimmetheloot
10-19-2006, 09:58 PM
if you are 100BB deep, just put your last 12 bucks in. He has a lower flush here a lot. Sometimes aces up, and sometimes got you beat, but I think calling here is leaving money on the table.
Jigsaws
10-19-2006, 10:00 PM
Definitely shove with these stacks.

I might flat-call with 150BB+ stacks.
Reid L
10-19-2006, 10:02 PM
whats the play here if you miss the turn? check call?
Roadstar
10-20-2006, 02:48 AM
Yes 100BB stacks... I forgot aces up I was so focused on the flush... now I agree it should have been a push, ignoring actual results.

Results (if anyone cares) villain shows A /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif MHING

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if you are 100BB deep, just put your last 12 bucks in. He has a lower flush here a lot. Sometimes aces up, and sometimes got you beat, but I think calling here is leaving money on the table.

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wake_up
10-20-2006, 02:51 AM
You got beat this time but I'm looking to get my stack in every time here. Villain has a set, aces up or even KQ here often enough.
Sir Winalot
10-20-2006, 03:31 AM
zomg re-raise AI for value.
orange
10-20-2006, 03:32 AM
shove for value all dayyy.
uminchu
10-20-2006, 06:21 AM
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Yes 100BB stacks... I forgot aces up I was so focused on the flush... now I agree it should have been a push, ignoring actual results.

Results (if anyone cares) villain shows A /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif MHING

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if you are 100BB deep, just put your last 12 bucks in. He has a lower flush here a lot. Sometimes aces up, and sometimes got you beat, but I think calling here is leaving money on the table.

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how do you both have the seven of clubs
call the floor manager and get your money back
MortenTA
10-20-2006, 08:09 AM
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Definitely shove with these stacks.

I might flat-call with 150BB+ stacks.

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Roadstar
10-20-2006, 11:51 AM
I don't think we see KQ here as he would have had to call 2 streets with overcards...

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You got beat this time but I'm looking to get my stack in every time here. Villain has a set, aces up or even KQ here often enough.

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AZplaya
10-20-2006, 03:44 PM
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shove for value all dayyy

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HitNRunPoster
10-20-2006, 03:56 PM
well, I'm glad orange said push... because it means that he thinks that we have 51%+ equity here, which is good.

But, we have to consider stack sizes before we push, I think. There has to be some stack size at which we would prefer calling to pushing, right?

I just don't know what that stack size is, theoretically...

--Dave.