set of Jacks / deception

[nofutures]

I'm posting results for a reason: How often do I have to worry about getting trapped like this? What is in general "the level of deception"? Of course he could have played AA / AKs / AK with one heart the same. Is it a good play on both sides?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($30.75)
BB ($24.65)
UTG ($24.48)
MP ($24.88)
CO ($15.63)
Button ($14.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $1.9</font>, BB calls $1.75, CO folds, Button folds.

Flop: ($4.75) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $15</font>, Hero calls $25.75 (All-In), BB calls $7.65 (All-In).

Turn: ($56.15) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($56.15) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $56.15

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Js Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
BB has Ks Kc (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: BB wins $50.05. Hero wins $6.10. </font>

[CaucasianAsian29]

I go broke here everytime

[Spleen]

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I go broke here everytime

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[OneBigRed]

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I go broke here everytime

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[wake_up]

I don't see the point of this post. It's set over set - you can't do anything.

[nofutures]

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I don't see the point of this post. It's set over set - you can't do anything.

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What is in general "the level of deception"?
How often are villains are slowplaying AA/KK preflop?

[Chubbers]

I see slow played AA or KK all the time.. you did nothing wrong on this hand though.

An over-set will beat you 1 in 100 times... push it under the carpet and move on.

[nuts]

you should post this in BBV

[nofutures]

no. please read my post again.

[Freelancer]

To answer your question;
Villains are VERY likely to slowplay AA/KK, infact I wouldn't be suprised if they slowplay 50% of there big PP preflop...

Oh and;
Always go broke here.

[ymu]

How many hands could he play this way, and how many of these are KK?

Any AK (12 hands), any AQ with a heart (8 hands), AA (12 hands), 88 (6 hands), KK (6 hands). Maybe QhQx (3 hands). As it was a button raise, maybe also AhJx (3 hands), KJ (9 hands) or AhTh (1 hand) if he thinks you'll defend your blinds with weaker hands and/or calls reraises loose.

So he has a higher set 6/44 or 6/47 times, or 1 in ~ 7.5 (worst case), or 6/57 or 6/60 times, or about 1 in 10 (if he's looser preflop).

You could weight this a bit against KK given that he didn't 4-bet preflop, but he's in position and may have figured that if you're just defending your blinds from a steal, he'll get more value by letting you c-bet the flop.

Go broke here every time and feel happy about it.

[nuts]

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no. please read my post again.

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okay then, (although this still belongs in bbv), I think you should interpret his minbet on the button as a sign of strength, he wants action here. you're playing for set value when you call, and you've hit the set on a scary board. you decided your hand was good and pushed, great.

his overbet on the flop probably means he's worried about the made flush or has a draw to the nut flush. he'd have to be pretty aggro to make this move with an AK or AA without the Ah I think.

[pho75]

You have to bet this flop and you have to push his raise. IMO, there is no other way that hand could have gone down.