Dodging suckouts to build a bankroll.

[kyleparks]

I am trying to build a bankroll to be able to frequent .10/.25 and .25/.50 NL starting with 50 dollars on FTP. I buy in with 4 dollars at the .5/.10 9max tables and go up a little bit, then either get 2paired agianst in a hand or dont hit my draw when getting correct odds.

I usually play live, though i have been playing online for 8 months. (mainly MTTs)

so i guess what im asking is, Is it possible to build a respectable bankroll playing .5/.10 tight/agressive?
Right now i am up 12.50 over 5 hours. (1 hour of 8 tableing)
Any little tricks i should know about?

if this is in wrong area im sorry.

thanks,

kyle

[carnivalhobo]

wait till you can deposit 200 or so you can buyin full and play the 10nl game.

[kyleparks]

anything more creative?

[trigeek08]

So you have $60 in your roll right now? Perfect! Buy in to a $200nl table for your entire roll. As soon as you double up, cash out and move to a $400nl table. Repeat the process until you are pawning the $40knl games. Piece of cake!

[absoludicrous]

[ QUOTE ]
pawning

[/ QUOTE ]

This is the funniest thing I've seen on 2p2 tonight.

[Raisor]

[ QUOTE ]

Right now i am up 12.50 over 5 hours. (1 hour of 8 tableing)


[/ QUOTE ]

does that mean 12.50/hour or 2.50/hour?

[Art Vandalay]

Variance and suckouts are going to happen. Thats why your starting bankroll should be about $200 instead of $50, and you should buy in full at each table, not $4.

[machine]

[ QUOTE ]
Variance and suckouts are going to happen. Thats why your starting bankroll should be about $200 instead of $50, and you should buy in full at each table, not $4.

[/ QUOTE ]

[SubaruSTiMike]

Yes it's possible, there are MANY people including myself that turned free 10 into hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands. Play in the nl10 games, buy in full if you're comfortable, just play TAG, you'll get paid off. But you have to be good, and know those players, have good reads, it's poker. And run hot, you can be good and run bad. Most of the time though, you're playing bad instead of running bad. Live and internet is different, I find live games softer and easier. Post hands, study, read posts, and try to get better and the money will follow.

[SubaruSTiMike]

And yes, put in 200 or more, it's tuition in the school of poker. But if you wanna turn 50 into something, you're gonna have to run hot. If you're playing the NL10 games, you'll have 5 buyins, although dropping 5 buy ins is standard, if you're good you won't drop 5 buyins in less than a week, if you do, you suck.

[Reid L]

I bought into bodog for 20 and quickly turned it into 1000 by playing the $4 sit n goes that pay out five places. Play those for a while and you can move up to the $8 sngs which also pay out five places. They are very easy games with little risk, little reward also but a great place to start.

ok, maybe not quickly,I played 20+ tourneys a day for a couple months, but i think its the safest way to build a bankroll

[dodgybob]

I think thats a bit rich. I lost 7 buy-ins immediately after I made my first deposit. Subsequently, i've run at over 20ptbb/100 for 10k hands, and i'm still playing almost exactly the same game as when I made that deposit a month ago.

It's a hard, frustrating slog to try and build it up from $50, which I am currently doing at the moment. I had it up to $300 from playing at $10NL, but thanks to a massive downswing/bad-beats @ 25NL (and a couple of silly decisions) over the past couple of days, i'm now back down to $100 (including the $50 deposit bonus i've cleared) and moving down limits again to 10NL.

The most important thing to do is have patience. If you are running well, and consistently beating 10NL, don't move up too fast. 25NL will still be there in another week. Don't invest more than 10-15% of your roll on any one table, and if you get stacked while playing, take a few minutes to think about whether you were outplayed, or whether you were unlucky. Either way, take a break, grab a coffee, and get yourself back into a good headspace for playing.

Every time i've tried to move up limits, i've suffered a string of ridiculous bad beats that has heavily deplenished my roll. Unfortunately, all that can be done is too sit back, sigh, and say 'that's poker baby'.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that bad beats are going to happen, while you're building a roll, after you have a decent roll, and forever more. Part of the skill of a good poker player is to have the patience to grind it out without throwing it in /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Either way, good luck Kyle...

[Perk76]

In my experiences, Tight Aggressive doesnt work at the .10 level. I had better success playing semi-tight, passive. Continuation betting at .10 level doesnt do anything on most tables. I like getting in family pot hands for .3 or less with medium to strong cards, and sacking the preflop raiser that raised with a PP.

Play tight, but get in just enough of the family pots that people dont think your a true TAG at heart. Obviously when you have the goods, bet them. Bet all made hands, bet strong draws. Dont check monsters, build pots.

[Rev. Good Will]

buy in for $2 instead, and short stack NL10.

Very lame, but next best thing to buying in full, and if your not JAWSOME postflop, might have a tad lower risk of ruin (again, this is only true if you are new to the game, and think you spew like crazy postflop)

[kyleparks]

Thanks for all the replys, and that was 2.5/hr(not great but gotta start somewhere).

i guess the main thing i was doing wrong is not buying in full.

thanks,

kyle

[nofutures]

No the main thing is having at least 20 buyins so that you don't go broke.

[Freelancer]

Move to pokerstars and play there 5$ tables. Keep strict bankroll requirements; 20 buy ins to move up (if you feel comfortable), 15 buy ins to move down. This especially important in the beginning, you will suffer downswings and you will go broke if you play NL10 with a 50$ roll. (unless you run steaming hot)

If your feeling frisky you can start taking shots at 10nl when your roll is 150$ (thats 15 buy ins) and move down as soon as you lose a stack or 2/3. Grind nl5 rinse repeat.

[matrix]

You aren't supposed to dodge suckouts - they are like a tax all poker players have to pay to keep the fish playing.

No suckouts = no bad players keep playing.

Suckouts are good!

If you are serious about playing poker then save up some monies and deposit a decent amount straight off the bat.

$200 sounds good and is a full roll for NL10 which is a great starting point where TAG play is about the most optimal style going. Playing that low gives you a great grounding in the basics and if you can beat NL10 over 10K hands+ playing ABC TAG style you've laid yourself good foundations and will find moving up much easier.

You can drop 5 buyins in a day just owing to bad luck - but most often if you do at micro limits you *suck* The key is to recognise that you suck and figure out why and where and fix it so that you suck less.

$200 really isn't a lot of money to spend on a hobby that you really enjoy doing. Thats about a whole 30 hours of working at a McJob part time somewhere and if you start to play right off the bat with a hefty bankroll you are starting good habits.

Also do not play with money you can't afford to lose. If the money means something to you and you'd have problems if you lost it then don't take it to a poker table. Work a few extra hours here and there build yourself a $200 starting roll somehow that you can afford to blow without it affecting your qality of life and THEN start playing. You do hear lots of posters saying how they ran up $10 into thousands - and could happen for you - it very likely won't tho.

[Ratamahatta]

1) Get $200 and neteller account.
2) Start casino bonus whoring. Make 1K in two weeks.
3) Play 50NL.

[matrix]

[ QUOTE ]
I think thats a bit rich. I lost 7 buy-ins immediately after I made my first deposit. Subsequently, i've run at over 20ptbb/100 for 10k hands, and i'm still playing almost exactly the same game as when I made that deposit a month ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

it's not a bit rich - the truth hurts and I'm sorry to break it to you but you suck at poker.

The good news is you are posting here and are trying to improve your game - most players aren't and slowly but surely if you keep at it you will suck less and less.

[ QUOTE ]

I had it up to $300 from playing at $10NL, but thanks to a massive downswing/bad-beats @ 25NL i'm now back down to $100 (including the $50 deposit bonus i've cleared)

[/ QUOTE ]

$300 is 12 buyins for 25 - so by all means take a shot but you are doing yourself a lot of harm if you let it drop all the way to 4 buyins before you move back down. I was in your shoes a while back and I always played on a short roll - I *really really* wish I hadn't now I would be already playing higher limits if I had had the good sense - or taken the advice I got given to build a good roll before I really got started, so I am giving you the same advice I got.

Build a 15 buyin roll for the next step up - then take a shot for 3 buys at the higher level, if you lose those 3 buys immediately move down again until you win back what you lost - if you like give it another shot then - rinse and repeat. Keeping playing underrolled on higher limits is the fast train to BUSTO. Yes you can win more faster if you moveup sooner - but you can also lose more faster and if you're not very experienced yet you are way more likely to lose.

[ QUOTE ]
Don't invest more than 10-15% of your roll on any one table,

[/ QUOTE ]


BZZZZZZT - 15% is way way way too much to sit with unless you are pretty dam sure you are better than the other players at the table AND you don't care if you lose. I'd suggest not bringing more than FIVE% of your roll to any table and at the very most 10%.

Getting from 10NL -> 100NL is the hardest move to make - it feels like you're going to be stuck down at micro limits forever - believe me it's well worth the time it takes to grind your way up from low levels. I tried taking shortcuts and it didn't work for me. If you pay your dues down here you lay great foundations and will be able to move up much faster in the long run.