question for aka23 regarding royal vegas [Archive]

aka23

10-19-2006, 12:30 AM

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awesome, then I deposite $20 and do-or-die on baccarat and then roulette it? or should I just roulette the extra bonus? that seems like it's a lot of wager to clear isnt it? Thanks aka

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If you end with winnings during the freeplay, those winnings are given as a bonus with your first deposit. If you will be getting a large bonus, then deposit the minimum of $20.

You have several choices at this point. There is much higher average gain, if you make a risky bet that includes the bonus, such as everything on a hand of baccarat. For a lower risk, you could bet half on a hand of ACBJ. After a win, you can cash out your winnings. You do not need to complete a playthrough (standard Clearplay rules). If you choose to playthrough the remaining bonus on French Roulette, you are expected to gain an additional ~0.2xB.

Yobz

10-19-2006, 12:36 AM

Aha, I used your affiliate link and it got me there, otherwise I couldn't find it. Enjoy the referral $$ /images/graemlins/smile.gif

aka23

10-19-2006, 12:46 AM

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Aha, I used your affiliate link and it got me there, otherwise I couldn't find it. Enjoy the referral $$ /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yes, it's a special promotion that is not listed on the default website. Click [referral link removed by moderator].

batmanoflove

10-19-2006, 12:46 AM

Just signed up. Didnt see where I can spin or how many credit I've left for me to spin. Do I have to leave the casino program connected inorder for its to auto spin or they'll credit my free spin when I log on next time? Thanks aka.

aka23

10-19-2006, 12:51 AM

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Just signed up. Didnt see where I can spin or how many credit I've left for me to spin. Do I have to leave the casino program connected inorder for its to auto spin or they'll credit my free spin when I log on next time? Thanks aka.

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The promotion rules state,

"# Download and install the Royal Vegas Casino software and Register a Real account
# When you log in with your Real account details, the lobby will display a button to "START FREE SPINS"
# Click this button and your account with your Free Spins will be generated automatically"

With other freeplay offers, after you log into to the downoaded casino, there is a "Start Free Play" button on the home page where they print messages. Unfortunately, I am not eligible for this promotion, as I'm not a new player. So I do not know details beyond what is listed on the site and other experiences with similar freeplay offers.

Yobz

10-19-2006, 01:17 AM

Aha, I didn't quite understand this, just to clarify: anything over the initial amount you are given is your bonus.

For example, I was given $276 to start, I got it up to $376 and took the $100 bonus. I was up to $430 or so, but didn't realize the way it worked, oh well I won the double /images/graemlins/smile.gif

batmanoflove

10-19-2006, 01:22 AM

which slot did u play? please tell me I'm way down now

batmanoflove

10-19-2006, 01:41 AM

I was down to 20 and "wheel of wealth" hit me a free spin and I collected 400 credit out of it!!!

batmanoflove

10-19-2006, 01:50 AM

Hey aka, seems like the site changed their T&C?
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If you win with Free Spins, you qualify for:

* 50% purchase match on a deposit of $20-$200
* That's up to $100 on the house
* Redeem your 50% deposit bonus by using the following code: RVFS50

If you have no winnings to transfer, you qualify for:

* 100% purchase match on a deposit of $20-$100
* That's up to $100 FREE
* Redeem your 100% deposit bonus by using the following code: RVFS100
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seems like if I lost the free spin I'd get a better bonus than winning the free spin.

aka23

10-19-2006, 01:57 AM

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Hey aka, seems like the site changed their T&C?
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If you win with Free Spins, you qualify for:

* 50% purchase match on a deposit of $20-$200
* That's up to $100 on the house
* Redeem your 50% deposit bonus by using the following code: RVFS50

If you have no winnings to transfer, you qualify for:

* 100% purchase match on a deposit of $20-$100
* That's up to $100 FREE
* Redeem your 100% deposit bonus by using the following code: RVFS100
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seems like if I lost the free spin I'd get a better bonus than winning the free spin.

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It's the same rules. I mentioned this in the summary. I recommend ignoring the 50% bonus if you have a good amount of winnings. For example $200 winnings results in $200 bonus. The 50% bonus gives you a $10 bonus on a $20 deposit. So you get a $200+$10 bonus on your first $20 deposit. That's a 1050% bonus!

batmanoflove

10-19-2006, 02:07 AM

Totally understood. I won $145 free credit now should I keep spinning or just take the bonus and start gamboling?

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Hey aka, seems like the site changed their T&C?
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If you win with Free Spins, you qualify for:

* 50% purchase match on a deposit of $20-$200
* That's up to $100 on the house
* Redeem your 50% deposit bonus by using the following code: RVFS50

If you have no winnings to transfer, you qualify for:

* 100% purchase match on a deposit of $20-$100
* That's up to $100 FREE
* Redeem your 100% deposit bonus by using the following code: RVFS100
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seems like if I lost the free spin I'd get a better bonus than winning the free spin.

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It's the same rules. I mentioned this in the summary. I recommend ignoring the 50% bonus if you have a good amount of winnings. For example $200 winnings results in $200 bonus. The 50% bonus gives you a $10 bonus on a $20 deposit. So you get a $200+$10 bonus on your first $20 deposit. That's a 1050% bonus!

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aka23

10-19-2006, 02:20 AM

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Totally understood. I won $145 free credit now should I keep spinning or just take the bonus and start gamboling?

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It's up to you. I'd recommend stopping at this point, as there is a good chance that you'll lose it all before getting to the maximum. $145+$10 is a great bonus on a $20 deposit.

froggy527

10-19-2006, 02:43 AM

My free slot try ended up like all of my other
trys at slots. Started off bad and then got worse!

Busto!!!

jaybird

10-19-2006, 03:26 AM

The "free spins" are given as credits during the free play. Has anyone tried to end their free play after one or two spins? I don't see where it says that you have to do "x" amount of spins before you end the free play and claim the bonus.

jaybird

10-19-2006, 03:32 AM

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The "free spins" are given as credits during the free play. Has anyone tried to end their free play after one or two spins? I don't see where it says that you have to do "x" amount of spins before you end the free play and claim the bonus.

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I think I answered my own question... winnings are considered any amount above your initial credits.

aka23

10-19-2006, 03:44 AM

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The "free spins" are given as credits during the free play. Has anyone tried to end their free play after one or two spins? I don't see where it says that you have to do "x" amount of spins before you end the free play and claim the bonus.

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Actually, you are required to play through it once. I posted the relevant rule. There is a summary in the review I posted earlier.

4. Provided that the credits allocated have been played through at least once in full, a balance over and above the original credits allocated will be considered winnings.

maniacut

10-19-2006, 03:59 AM

if you try to end your session early you will see the stipulation that you must have placed however many credits you started with... in my case i doubled up too early, called support to verify how much i wagered. went to 5/bet (stupid), never made it to the max again. my recommended game is the first one, i think it's called cashville? bet max and then gamble everytime to double up up up

jaybird

10-19-2006, 04:51 AM

I busted, but deposited $100 to take advantage of the 100% bonus.

I got the bonus and went to baccarat and the max bet is now $100! /images/graemlins/frown.gif

I guess I can keep betting $100 until I reach $400. Any other ideas? Are there are other games I can bet $200 on?

Jago

10-19-2006, 07:31 AM

roulette? war?

jaybird

10-19-2006, 08:13 AM

I ended up playing $100 hand baccarat. After 5 hands I was up to $385 /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Gonna cashout without playing FR.

aka23

10-19-2006, 11:55 AM

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roulette? war?

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High limit baccarat (instead of regular), craps, french roulette, ACBJ (betting half-bankroll). I would not recommend war. War has a 3.7% house edge with a full-bankroll bet (always surrender) and a 2.3% edge wih a half-bankroll bet.

midwestkc

10-19-2006, 12:39 PM

Can I do this if I have a Royal Vegas Poker account?

Abelardo

10-19-2006, 01:18 PM

I think I just did that

Abelardo

Jeff_B

10-19-2006, 01:32 PM

wow I got the 260 up to > 500 for the max $200 bonus... Go to claim it

Because of previous activity on Bonus Claims within the Fortune Lounge casino group, you have been excluded from receiving any Casino promotions. Please view our Terms and Conditions for further info or contact Support for assistance

Damn it.

aka23

10-19-2006, 02:00 PM

That's bull. If you were excluded from promotions, you shouldn't have been able to participate in the free play.

If support doesn't help, PM me your account # and name. I may be able to assist, as an affiliate. If that doesn't work, I also have contacts within this group.

Jeff_B

10-19-2006, 03:11 PM

aka23 were you talking to me? I just figured I was not able to play since I have so many accounts at all the casinos. I have been whoring for a while and been pretty active trying to do 1 or more a week.

aka23

10-19-2006, 03:29 PM

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aka23 were you talking to me? I just figured I was not able to play since I have so many accounts at all the casinos. I have been whoring for a while and been pretty active trying to do 1 or more a week.

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Yes, I was. When I first played through the bonuses, I received that block too for similar reasons. It occurred on about my 5th bonus within the group. After explaining the situtaion, DD credited me the bonus manually, and the grooup removed the block on my account. I was able to receive bonuses and continue to sign up at other casinos after this point. There is a good chance that they will do the same for you. If that doesn't work, PM me the info I mentioned, and I can likely help.

DJSirMatthew

10-20-2006, 08:50 AM

Just installed the software, registered as real player,connected but nowhere is there any free spin button to be seen?? What have I done wrong?

DJSirMatthew

10-20-2006, 12:53 PM

No worries, got it working. Now I just have to choose the right game...

DJSirMatthew

10-20-2006, 01:15 PM

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The "free spins" are given as credits during the free play. Has anyone tried to end their free play after one or two spins? I don't see where it says that you have to do "x" amount of spins before you end the free play and claim the bonus.

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Actually, you are required to play through it once. I posted the relevant rule. There is a summary in the review I posted earlier.

4. Provided that the credits allocated have been played through at least once in full, a balance over and above the original credits allocated will be considered winnings.

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Aka, let get me this right. I started with 228 credits. I have to wager 228 coins to be able to withdraw anything right? If for example after wagering 230$ I have 100 credits left, is 100 my bonus then or must I have 338$ (100 more than 228) to have a bonus winnings?

aka23

10-20-2006, 04:00 PM

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The "free spins" are given as credits during the free play. Has anyone tried to end their free play after one or two spins? I don't see where it says that you have to do "x" amount of spins before you end the free play and claim the bonus.

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Actually, you are required to play through it once. I posted the relevant rule. There is a summary in the review I posted earlier.

4. Provided that the credits allocated have been played through at least once in full, a balance over and above the original credits allocated will be considered winnings.

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Aka, let get me this right. I started with 228 credits. I have to wager 228 coins to be able to withdraw anything right? If for example after wagering 230$ I have 100 credits left, is 100 my bonus then or must I have 338$ (100 more than 228) to have a bonus winnings?

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Your winnings on the free play are given as a bonus with your first deposit. You end the free play at any point after wagering 228. If you ended the free play with a balance of 338, you would receive an additional $100 bonus on your first deposit.

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I see there were two referred players who made $700+ on this offer yesterday. I am curious what strategy you used.

Gaahl

10-20-2006, 05:35 PM

Doubled a couple of times on baccarat...

DJSirMatthew

10-20-2006, 06:30 PM

How's that possible? It only allows me to play slots and nothing else?

Besides, seems a bit difficult to win money with those slots anyways... I must be missing something here

aka23

10-20-2006, 06:48 PM

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How's that possible? It only allows me to play slots and nothing else?

Besides, seems a bit difficult to win money with those slots anyways... I must be missing something here

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The maximum win with the slots free play is $200. If you get the maximum win, you can deposit $20 and get your $200 bonus. You also get a 50% bonous of $10 with this deposit, so your starting balance after the first deposit would be $230 -- $20 cash and $210 bonus.

If you bet all $230 on baccarat and win, your balance increases to $448.50 -- $238.50 cash and $210 bonus.

If you bet all $448 (can't bet fractional amounts) on a hand of baccarat and win, your balance increases to $874.10 -- $664.10 cash and $210 bonus.

If you then play through the bonus on French Roulette, your expected gain is $210*~0.2 (not .19 due to baccarat bets) = $42. So your ending balance is $664.10 + $42 = $706, for a net gain of $686.

The extra baccarat bet significantly increases average bonus retention at the cost of a higher bust rate.

Gaahl

10-20-2006, 07:33 PM

So how much money did you make on all us signing up :P
Im not bitching, I was only glad to get the bonus so /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

aka23

10-20-2006, 07:59 PM

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So how much money did you make on all us signing up :P
Im not bitching, I was only glad to get the bonus so /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Fortune Lounge has me on a pay by percentage of casino win program. My referred players have had a net casino loss of almost $10,000 in the past two weeks for this group, so I'm not going to make much on the percentage of casino win program. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

This particular free spin promotion has a special CPA bonus of $30-$50 per non-USA sign up. If that's added onto my share of the $10,000 casino loss, then I'll make nothing. If not, then I'll probably make a couple hundred (most players on this forum are US).

I expect only about 10% of the casinos on the list to make any affiliate payments at the end of the month. It's not simply about the money. If it was, I'd rank the casinos quite differently.

DJSirMatthew

10-21-2006, 03:50 AM

aka23, luckily for you I'm non-US /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Unlucky for me, i suk at slots...

scp

10-21-2006, 10:47 PM

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Hi ********,

We regret that we will not be able to process any transactions to or
from your personal accounts. This is due to our e-commerce processor not
being able to accommodate players in your region.

As a result, we, unfortunately, had to close your Casino account.
Please visit the Fortune Lounge website frequently, as the situation may
change and you may be allowed to play again in future.

Should you have any questions or need clarification in this regard,
please do not hesitate to contact our Help-Desk, which is available 24
hours a day.

Sincerely,

Fortune Lounge Player Security
credit@fortunelounge.com

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I'm a Non-US, Non-EU player and this seriously disappointed me:( The end of the beginning of my casino whoring session. It's not even stated in T&Cs as far as I have seen.

DJSirMatthew

10-22-2006, 02:05 AM

Just had the exact same email coming from them. THey accepted my 20$ deposit, yet refuse to give my winnings, or not even my deposit itself? I'm furious at this moment...

And how can their e-commerce processor not handle NETeller accounts from one region but they can from another? IT's all just NETeller after all...

707782

10-22-2006, 02:53 AM

I have some questions about clearplay types of bonus?

So, if I deposit 100 and get 100 clearplay bonus, and bet 100 dollars on a single BJ hand, and lost, can I cashout my original 100 dollars then?

Or can I bet $20 or $1 until until I win the amount I want, and cashout minus the 100 bonus?

aka23

10-22-2006, 03:24 AM

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Just had the exact same email coming from them. THey accepted my 20$ deposit, yet refuse to give my winnings, or not even my deposit itself? I'm furious at this moment...

And how can their e-commerce processor not handle NETeller accounts from one region but they can from another? IT's all just NETeller after all...

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Hi ********,

We regret that we will not be able to process any transactions to or
from your personal accounts. This is due to our e-commerce processor not
being able to accommodate players in your region.

As a result, we, unfortunately, had to close your Casino account.
Please visit the Fortune Lounge website frequently, as the situation may
change and you may be allowed to play again in future.

Should you have any questions or need clarification in this regard,
please do not hesitate to contact our Help-Desk, which is available 24
hours a day.

Sincerely,

Fortune Lounge Player Security
credit@fortunelounge.com

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I'm a Non-US, Non-EU player and this seriously disappointed me:( The end of the beginning of my casino whoring session. It's not even stated in T&Cs as far as I have seen.

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Which countries do they claim are not permitted? Did they refer you to a text list of restricted territories somewhere on the website? Was your country listed in the drop down menu when you signed up?

If you PM your account # and name, I may be able to help out. You should definitely get your deposit back, and may receive more depending on the situation.

aka23

10-22-2006, 03:38 AM

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I have some questions about clearplay types of bonus?

So, if I deposit 100 and get 100 clearplay bonus, and bet 100 dollars on a single BJ hand, and lost, can I cashout my original 100 dollars then?

Or can I bet $20 or $1 until until I win the amount I want, and cashout minus the 100 bonus?

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Your account balance shows two numbers -- a cash balance and a bonus balance. The cash balance is bet before the bonus balance. You can withdraw the cash balance at any time.

Let's say you start out with $100 cash and $100 bonus. If you bet $100 and win, your cash balance increases to $200 and your bonus balance is still $100. You can withdraw the $200 cash at that point and claim your $100 profit.

In the situation above, if you lost the $100 bet, then your balance would drop to $100 -- $100 bonus and $0 cash. You cannot withdraw anything at this point. But you can bet $100 again, and try to get back to $200.

DJSirMatthew

10-22-2006, 03:40 AM

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Just had the exact same email coming from them. THey accepted my 20$ deposit, yet refuse to give my winnings, or not even my deposit itself? I'm furious at this moment...

And how can their e-commerce processor not handle NETeller accounts from one region but they can from another? IT's all just NETeller after all...

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Hi ********,

We regret that we will not be able to process any transactions to or
from your personal accounts. This is due to our e-commerce processor not
being able to accommodate players in your region.

As a result, we, unfortunately, had to close your Casino account.
Please visit the Fortune Lounge website frequently, as the situation may
change and you may be allowed to play again in future.

Should you have any questions or need clarification in this regard,
please do not hesitate to contact our Help-Desk, which is available 24
hours a day.

Sincerely,

Fortune Lounge Player Security
credit@fortunelounge.com

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I'm a Non-US, Non-EU player and this seriously disappointed me:( The end of the beginning of my casino whoring session. It's not even stated in T&Cs as far as I have seen.

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Which countries do they claim are not permitted? Did they refer you to a text list of restricted territories somewhere on the website? Was your country listed in the drop down menu when you signed up?

If you PM your account # and name, I may be able to help out. You should definitely get your deposit back, and may receive more depending on the situation.

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Just had this email:

Hi Jurgen
Thank you for your e-mail.
I have forwarded your query on to our Player Security company.
From what I am able to determine, your account/s has been locked in error.
Once we have feedback from them, we will contact you via e-mail and let you know what the situation is.
Please be aware that it is currently Sunday morning where we are located and that your query will only be investigated on Monday.
Should you have any other queries, please do not hesitate to contact the Casino Support Desk.

Thank you for playing with us.
Kind regards
Garreth
Casino Support Desk

Guess I'll wait this through. I'm from Belgium and my country was in the drop down list when I registered. There is no indication to which countries aren't permitted. No reference to text list of restricted territories, there isn't one on their T&C either. PM on the way...

DJSirMatthew

10-23-2006, 05:46 AM

Got an email last night confirming the withdrawal has been approved and processed and the money is on Neteller. BUT my account remains closed since they can't support/accomodate players from Belgium. Never heard this before. Will keep on updating this topic in new news arrives...

matt85

10-23-2006, 01:20 PM

Hello.

Right, so I got the bonus upto $200, deposited $20 and had a balance of $220. I bet $200 on a hand of baccarat and won so now I have $410. What is my play now to maximise EV?

(But without betting big on baccarat etc)

Cheers,

Matt.

Abelardo

10-23-2006, 01:47 PM

I'd be tempted to bet it all again on baccarat and [censored] them really hard. You can cash out now giving up the bonus, or go autoplay FR (I like betting back, 1-16, 17-32, even and odd at the same time, so $5 a spin) until bonus is relesed.

Abelardo

aka23

10-23-2006, 01:48 PM

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Hello.

Right, so I got the bonus upto $200, deposited $20 and had a balance of $220. I bet $200 on a hand of baccarat and won so now I have $410. What is my play now to maximise EV?

(But without betting big on baccarat etc)

Cheers,

Matt.

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You have several options:

1. Cash out and claim your $190 gain.

2. Finish the playthrough with $1 bets on French Roulette autoplay. There is an average additional gain of ~$40 with this strategy, and a ~65% chance of making a gain (35% chance of a loss).

3. Just play enough French Roulette spins for the first $10 is converted to cash, then cash out. The first $10 has better odds than the rest of the conversion, as you already did some of the wagering on baccarat.

scp

10-23-2006, 07:01 PM

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Got an email last night confirming the withdrawal has been approved and processed and the money is on Neteller. BUT my account remains closed since they can't support/accomodate players from Belgium. Never heard this before. Will keep on updating this topic in new news arrives...

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yes same here..they locked my account in minutes, telling that their e-commerce processor couldn't locate players from my country, i thought it has something to do with not being in EU region but in your case it is definitely not related to that. And also they had my country in their dropdown menu including the small town i live in city section etc. That's why I was kind of surprised with that. Why would you let a guy to register an account if you gonna lock it up?? And there's no such thing about it in T&Cs, i asked that to support as well but my question remained unanswered. Well, I'm not dying for this bonus but it broke my courage to keep up with bonus whoring thing as well.

Also many sites have different wagering requirements for bonuses for various european/asian countries. For instance starluck sign up bonus is something like 20(B+D) to clear for some countries (including Israel, Denmark etc. if I'm not wrong). Is this about the users abusing those bonuses from those countries or something? What do you say about it aka23?

DJSirMatthew

10-24-2006, 04:24 AM

New info. Just received this mail from Fortune Lounge:

Hi Jurgen

Thank you for your email.

Jurgen, please note Belgium is not a locked country. I have sent a request to our administration department to have all your accounts opened. The accounts will be accessible by you in about 3 to 6 hours.

I do apologize for the incorrect information being given to you by the previous agent.

To date, the Fortune Lounge Players Club has paid out over 7.4 Million US Dollars in bonuses to its club members. Join the club today!

Please do not hesitate to contact us, should you have any further queries

Kind regards

Robert

Since I'm at work, I can't check whether my accounts are re-opened or not. It's at least strange this happened, but in the end, all is fine.