For those that play NL25

[absoludicrous]

If you NL25 grinders don't mind...

#1, I'd like to see some PT numbers, and graphs showing your guys' winrates over 10K+ hands (larger sample size preferred).

#2, I'd like to know how many tables you're playing, and how many hands you put in per week.

Feel free to PM me if you're not comfortable posting in this thread...I'm sure it will get locked anyway.

[checkmate36]

How about similar numbers for $10NL players. I guess that really wouldn't fly but it never hurts to throw it out anyways. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Sh@i'tan]

party NL25 2 to start then 4, then 4-6..

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2342/party25gj2.jpg

now after switching sites /images/graemlins/frown.gif, i [censored] tilt sooo much its disgusting. I also haven't been running all that great. Thank god for rakeback and bonuses /images/graemlins/smile.gif!

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9817/ftp25uy9.jpg

all 4-6 tabling.

[EMc]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2750/25nlqa7.jpg

[shoxbb6]

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/678/25nlym6.jpg

[Shaddux]

#1: I just got pokertracker (and haven't played much lately), so I only have about 4k hands recorded.

#2: I play 4 tables and try to get in around 2k hands/week (can't play much because of school).

Not sure if #2 helps without me being able to answer #1 :/

[TKWest]

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1142/oct18pgzk1.jpg

2000 hands per week 2-3 tables at a time

Allmost all are full ring

18.2 vpip 6.37 pfr

[marvin_1935]

move up?

[jonyy6788]

TK, you never experience variance or tilt yet?

[TKWest]

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TK, you never experience variance or tilt yet?

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Only when I try $50NL lol

ugly graph then - mostly down

[abarrenfuture]

4-6 tabling, moved up awhile ago but:

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/998/nl25pc1.jpg

[Pokey]

From about January to May of this year. I started out 1-tabling full-ring, then switched to 2-tabling full-ring when I got comfortable with it. I then switched to 1-tabling 6-max, and eventually 2-tabling 6-max. In May, I moved up to $100NL. (Where people respect my raises. /images/graemlins/grin.gif)

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/8919/pokey25vt9.th.jpg (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pokey25vt9.jpg)

[gimmetheloot]

For those of you who have made 2k!!!! at NL25, dear god move up. 50NL is a TOUCH harder, but you will DEFINITELY make >1/2 your 25NL PTBB/100, and will get a bit better in the process.

[Dunkman]

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For those of you who have made 2k!!!! at NL25, dear god move up. 50NL is a TOUCH harder, but you will DEFINITELY make >1/2 your 25NL PTBB/100, and will get a bit better in the process.

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Lol yeah, I just started playing nl a couple months ago, formerly played sssh limit and MTTs. I ran at a completely ridiculous 39 PTBBs/100 in 2.7k hands at nl25 6max, figured that was good enough, and moved up.

[Yaboosh]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7179/12khandswg4.jpg

[VorShot]

Exactly how do i get a <BB>/<# of hands> graph on PT?

Thanks.

[Yaboosh]

Poker Grapher

http://www.overcards.com/dl.php

[orange]

everyone,

move up. 50nl isn't that much different from 25nl. Looks like everyone is beating 25nl for a good amount /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[Yaboosh]

I only play $50NL when I see emc sitting at a table. He is very +EV.

[absoludicrous]

Nice graphs guys. The reason I started this thread is two-fold. I've said in a couple other threads how I mainly play NL50, 100. However, I'm thinking of dropping down to NL25 due to a bankroll hit. I just wanted to see what kinds of winrates you guys were achieving.

I also wanted to confirm that there's money to be made at NL25. It's been so long since I've put in a good chunk of hands...I nearly forgot.

[the machine]

http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25nlcy7.jpg

i dunno it wont post the picture only the link. never had the problem before but just click it if ur curious.

42k full ring and 16k 6max

nit fest stats 15/5/2.58

[neverforgetlol]

from when i used to play NL25 on party, 6max mostly 4 tabling. so about $770.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3023/graph2ku9.jpg

[ama0330]

Delved into the archive and pulled my NL10 stats. These are literally the first 10k hands of poker I ever played. They are all full ring, 2 tabling. The downswing is where I lost my patience, started 4 tabling before I was ready and dropped a bunch. Then I moved up on tilt, ran hot, the rest is history...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1382/nl10lifety6.jpg

[tubasteve]

omg move up morans NL50 is EZ

[Freelancer]

Meh I am a PC moron. How do I post my nice little up/down graph? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[CaucasianAsian29]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/yenling29/pt3.jpg
Mostly NL$25
Mostly 4-6 tables

[tubasteve]

OMG WHY WOULD YOU PLAY MORE THAN 15K HANDS AT NL25

[CaucasianAsian29]

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OMG WHY WOULD YOU PLAY MORE THAN 15K HANDS AT NL25

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Took 3 shots at NL$50 and always ended up tilting. I've got about 6k hands at NL$50 now winning at around 5bb/100, but i feel those hands I have been running terribly. Also, i'm just not that cool yet.

[kazana]

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OMG WHY WOULD YOU PLAY MORE THAN 15K HANDS AT NL25

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Bankroll, baby.
Having said that, when I switched to 50NL I was able to run at the same BB/100 rate without any major changes. Maybe I just got lucky enough when I made the move.

[CaucasianAsian29]

Sorry to hijack a bit, but how do you change your Y Axis on the graph so it shows dollar amount$ rather than big bets? Thanks so much

[kazana]

Select "Total amount" in poker patterns instead of "BB" (right hand side)?
It really ain't rocket science.

[HitNRunPoster]

while the mods are asleep, the mice will play.

~20k hands
~4/100
~8-tabling.

full ring.

[MortenTA]

my first 27K poker hands. Ran bad for a while while learning the basics but october has been treating me good.
Mostly 2 and 3 tables.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4269/graphjf0.jpg

[Perk76]

I am at work, so I can post my graph. But my last 8k hands at NL25 6max looks very ugly. Alot of up and downs. Currently at 6bb/100 over that time, but it doesnt feel like it. Last 1500 hands, AA 2 times, no action both times.

I am amazed at the smoothness of the graphs that are posted, almost looks like no dry runs.

[the machine]

who said were still playing 25 NL?????

[Shaddux]

Yeah I wish I never ran bad.

[matrix]

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I am amazed at the smoothness of the graphs that are posted, almost looks like no dry runs.

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right then in order to maintain some kind of balance....

Ye Olde Party graph.. My older graphs rom Prima I long since lost the db for when my HD crashed and burned some time back. This graph kicks off about 6 months into my Poker lifetime career and Was when I decided to take Poker more "seriously" and starts Oct '05 This is all 1-2 tabling The majority of this is $25NL.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9514/partyoldmr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

SO I decide in the new Year (Jan '06) that Party doesn't like me and a change is as good as a rest - step up PokerStars, My game is getting better now but I still am being too aggro and pushing out weak hands when I have great hands and winning small pots and losing big ones.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9630/starsoldfp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A fair whack of this is cold deckedness and running bad. I seem to get more than my fair share of suckouts, tho I don't tilt much at this point.

And then I move to FT. at about 5k hands into this graph I decide to take a shot a going pro - or at least not working and playing for a living. I figure I have 3 months living expenses stashed so I can afford to not touch the roll for a long time get some serious hands in and hopefully move up to $100NL in 8 weeks or so and take it from there.

Things didn't go to plan - a couple of "real life" emrgencies decimate my savings and I need to withdraw much sooner, and I can't hit a flop am getting drawn out on left right and center. "It is possible to run worse than you ever thought possible" - I really understand what that actually means after my FT experience here. Were it not for RB bonuses and jumping around from PokerRoom to Party collecting more reload bonuses I would have lost money and not even broken even. My game has much improved since the Party/Stars play before FT but the results aren't good. About 16k hands in I start tilting bigtime - and soon after give up all things poker and take a good long break.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3415/oldtiltfc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

In amongst all this carnage I take down a few MTT's including my biggest score to date a $20/180 SnG for ~$1000 so added all together I worked out I was up a total of $500 lifetime up till I took a break - tho considering that took maybe 1500 hours of playing time thats not a good hourly rate. Tho I can say that I wasn't one of the 90% of losing players at least.

Since I got back to the tables I am running much better and have ~15k hands destroying $25/$50NL for ~13PTBB/100 on Party/Full Tilt and the graph looks much better. Downswing is over (thank gawd) but I know that in the future 1) it's very possible that I will run worse and for longer than I did the first time and 2) I'm due *such* a sick heater /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Why am I posting these? well just to point out to lurkers/people who don't want to post their own dreadful graphs that not all the well known posters on these here forums run that well all the time. When I first started playing I played awful poker (I'm still jealous of people that startup run goot and never look back - but fair play to them) I stuck at it - I posted I studied I played through a 30k hand or so downswing and came out the other side a much better player - it's not always easy to play this game for a long time playing at FT I was convinced at times that I was the worst player in the world that other people were always posting pretty graphs and mine looked like [censored]. Looking back now and having gone through lots of my earlier hands and play I was playing bad - but the cards weren't helping and it's much easier to look back with hindsight and see where you went wrong when emotion isn't getting in the way than it is to see straight at the time.

Stick at it - poker is a game of skill that's *very* hard to play well in the long run, don't believe anyone who says it's easy - but even if your results so far look nothing like the smooth up curves you see posted here and look a little more like mine - or worse - if you keep working hard it will payoff in the end.

[Perk76]

Nice post....nice honest graphs...

I like the 2k stretch of hands around your 10K mark in the second graph.

[kazana]

My 25 NL 6-max graph doesn't look that smooth, either.

Between hands 3.5k and about 10k I tried to "lag up" my game. Not necessary to mention that I didn't feel too comfortable playing laggy. After my return to Nitsville, my game quite literally "took off".
My moderate winnings together bonus and unmentionables made it possible for me to move up to NL50 and the good run continued there...

Here goes:
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3658/25nl6maxftof1.jpg

[kaz2107]

can some one tell me how to post a graph from poker grapher so i can post my redic big number of hands from nl 25

[evilempire]

http://www.cems.uvm.edu/~chenwood/june.JPG
http://www.cems.uvm.edu/~chenwood/october.JPG

[kaz2107]

this is from the month of september. the first 25k hands or so where 6 tabling and then i had to 8 table the rest of them to get more hands in since i had to sit out an entire week because a water pipe in my dorm room flooded so i couldnt play for a week and was tryin to make up for the lost time
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/sams08/graph.jpg

[matrix]

kaz - move up - in fact move up at ~22K hands...

[pokerchap]

i think a lot of you people should be moving up. some of these graphs are pretty impressive.

[kaz2107]

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kaz - move up - in fact move up at ~22K hands...

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meh... i am moved up now /images/graemlins/smile.gif
i played nl50 in aug and didnt have great results so i told my self i would start from scratch and play the rest of aug (about 30k hands) and then a monster month at nl25. my original goal was to play 50k hands in sept but i had to edit it a bit since i missed 7 days due to the flooding. so i 8 tabled and manged about 46000.

i didnt mind playin nl5 after a month of huge swings at nl50 and basiclly break even. so havin steady money flow for 6 weeks was awsome. now i just need to get there for nl50 /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[orange]

everyone needs to move move move up....

(says the man who is rolled for 400nl, yet doesnt have a pair to play it fully).

[Pokey]

Considering this week, I'm thinking about making $10NL my permanent game. I'm running at 96 PTBB/100 there....Sustainable? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[the machine]

yeah as long as you keep flopping quads sets 2pair straights and all the like then you can be a consitent big winner in the 10NL game

[Mjafish]

I run like crap: simply awful.

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dargfsddy9.jpg

edit: can someone tell me how to post images here?

[NSchandler]

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I run like crap: simply awful.

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dargfsddy9.jpg

edit: can someone tell me how to post images here?

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Once you lose 13 buyins at NL25, I'd start entertaining the possibility it's not all variance.

[Mjafish]

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I run like crap: simply awful.

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dargfsddy9.jpg

edit: can someone tell me how to post images here?

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Once you lose 13 buyins at NL25, I'd start entertaining the possibility it's not all variance.

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heh, thats probably true, but heres my Party one:

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsgfdgppny3.jpg

[Yaboosh]

Maybe your play has changed? I agree with NSchandler, 13 buyin downswing is hard when you should have such an edge over these guys. Though it could just be a sick 17k hand downswing, but man, you have to start looking for leaks at some point.

[NSchandler]

I think the juxtaposition of your two graphs proves once and for all that Pokerstars is rigged.

[matrix]

in imageshack after you upload an image there are a bundle of links underneath.

copy and paste the link called "Hotlink for forums1" into your post here and voilapresto you have posted an image.

the UBB code is (IMG)http://linkaddress(/IMG) (using square brackets)

[Mjafish]

my friend's are even more pathetic. he was too embarassed to post them. being the good friend I am, I will out his 2p2 name: indczn


http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3526/blehkz7.jpg

number2:
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/392/bleh2ao6.jpg

[indczn]

160k hands later... im still playing 25nl. thanks mjafish.
2nd graph roughly follows the first one.

[sputum]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/82/25nlkh6.jpg
This is my 2006 NL25
Still playing NL25 (8-tabling). I just like the stability, no downswings easy decisions etc. Will move up one day. Got 9k hands at NL100 at 3.8 ptbb/100 looks OK but I freak whenever I lose a hundred-buck stack. 4 25 buck stacks I'm fine with (happened twice I think in the 70k hands)
NL25 is free money if you don't completely suck at poker. $18 an hour plus bonuses suits me very well at the moment. This is FR, there are not a lot of good NL100 tables when I play (GMT 13.0-16.0 ish)


Stats if they will help
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3457/statsph1.jpg
4-tabling until around May, 8-tabling since.
SD per hundred: 48.86, so sd/winrate ratio is 4-1ish = lack of downswings.
If you want any more info feel free to pm me.

[kabouter]

Hmm I should really move up, playing $10nl now, next month I'm going to play $25nl, let's hope I will do as good as all of you.

[kidpokeher]

Nice graph sputum!

[sputum]

Smooth as a baby's [censored]
Feel free to hate on my stats /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[limit refugee]

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2189/graphzy6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is from a few months ago, 4 tabling, won similarly at party 50 and just a little less at 100...only added mine to say I moved back down to 25 when i changed sites last week, as i was juggling money, I threw in a minimum and figured i'd build up quickly...a week, maybe 6000 hands later and I'm still breaking even (if you include bonus) 5tabling at full tilt. A little from adjustment problems, but mainly running bad and constant suckouts...it can happens at any level.

[kidpokeher]

Damn I wish I had a graphing program that worked. Poker Grapher won't work on PostgreSQL databases and Poker Patterns won't work at all. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[sputum]

You could export all your NL25 hands and import them into a new Access db /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[cestlavie]

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Damn I wish I had a graphing program that worked. Poker Grapher won't work on PostgreSQL databases and Poker Patterns won't work at all. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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There's also a graphing utility in the latest version of Pokertracker, but it's slow and cumbersome. It can be found on the game notes tab, in the top-left corner (two small buttons labeled "g").