Casino Share Bonus - Has anyone done this? [Archive]

Manchild84

10-18-2006, 05:23 PM

I'm thinking of doing the 100% up to $250 welcome bonus (30xB) at Casino Share, but I'm not sure that it's +EV, and I've never heard of anyone doing it, and Blackjack only counts 2% towards the WR.
Just wondering if it's worth doing.

Here are my EV Calculations:
American Roulette - HA = 5.26%, 100% towards WR. $250 x 30 = $7,500, 7500 x 5.26% = $394.50, so -EV

Eurpean Roulette - HA = 2.7%, 50% towards WR. $250 x 30 / 0.5 = $15,000, $15,000 x 2.7% = $405, so -EV

Casino War works out to be the same as European roulette... this is assuming it doesn't have the La Partage rule.. couldn't find that anywhere.

DaNcInGgOoN

10-18-2006, 05:26 PM

Just sticky it up for 1000-2000$ and cashout without playing the WR.

Coolers

10-18-2006, 05:31 PM

Maximize your EV by depositing in GBP, stickying it up to whatever you feel comfortable with, then grinding out the +EV bonus with French Roulette, which has the La Partage rule and is counted at 50%.

Manchild84

10-18-2006, 05:33 PM

Haven't done a true sticky bonus before... just the Easy Grand on the CBW website.
Can you guys elaborate?

aka23

10-18-2006, 05:47 PM

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Haven't done a true sticky bonus before... just the Easy Grand on the CBW website.
Can you guys elaborate?

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I've gaine over $500 at Casinoshare. The bonus is worthwhile. A summary from my journal on Casinomeister is below that I wrote on October 1st is below. My strategy for this type of Clearplay bonus is described at http://www.beatingbonuses.com/clearplay.htm . CBW has a similar twofer strategy on his site.

"I joined CasinoShare less than two weeks ago. It is a new casino that I believe was first mentioned on the forum 2 weeks ago. I gained +$275 on the $250 sign up bonus and +$250 on the $100 monthly bonus for a total of +$525.

Some things that separate CS from other MG casinos are:

1. Support seems fast. My bonus was credited in only a few minutes after I sent the email requesting it. My first bonus was also credited minutes after sending the email, not hours.

2. Withdrawls seem fast. My first withdrawl took about 12 hours. A CS rep posted that they only have a 6 hour waiting period on this forum.

3. They have higher ACBJ limits than usual. One of the tables had 5000 chips. ACBJG had a $500 limit.

4. They offer a decent monthly bonus.

5. French Roulette is more streaky at this casino than any other I have played at in a long time. If I bet a color for 500 spins $1 on autoplay, I usually complete the $500 without hitting my +/- $25 limits slightly more than half of the time. I almost never complete the 500 spins at CasinoShare. It is common to reach the limits after under 200 spins. This streakyness occurred during both sessions.

6. Downloads are slow... both the casinos and the games. This may relate to the French Roulette streakyness.

7. I won the first 4 hands in today's session, including two large bet hands. That's unique, but I'm not complaining. If I had bet my full bankroll each time (possible with $5000 table limit), I'd have gained thousands on the sign up bonus!"

Manchild84

10-18-2006, 06:10 PM

Wait... so I actually have to *gulp* risk money for these ones to be profitable?
Might wait until I can spare $250 then.
Thanks for the info though, huge help.

kyleb

10-18-2006, 08:32 PM

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5. French Roulette is more streaky at this casino than any other I have played at in a long time. If I bet a color for 500 spins $1 on autoplay, I usually complete the $500 without hitting my +/- $25 limits slightly more than half of the time. I almost never complete the 500 spins at CasinoShare. It is common to reach the limits after under 200 spins. This streakyness occurred during both sessions.

6. Downloads are slow... both the casinos and the games. This may relate to the French Roulette streakyness.

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You have to be kidding me.

aka23

10-18-2006, 09:28 PM

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5. French Roulette is more streaky at this casino than any other I have played at in a long time. If I bet a color for 500 spins $1 on autoplay, I usually complete the $500 without hitting my +/- $25 limits slightly more than half of the time. I almost never complete the 500 spins at CasinoShare. It is common to reach the limits after under 200 spins. This streakyness occurred during both sessions.

6. Downloads are slow... both the casinos and the games. This may relate to the French Roulette streakyness.

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You have to be kidding me.

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No joke. See the screenshot at the bottom of the page at http://www.beatingbonuses.com/froulette.htm . The odds of hitting 5 numbers in a row like that are roughly 1 in 2 million.

Halo7

10-18-2006, 10:33 PM

As aka mentioned, casinoshare is part of our Twofer IV (http://www.casinobonuswhores.com/twofer4.html) program. We have had a bunch of folks do it in the past 2 weeks with very good results. While the bonus out of the gate is marginally EV playing French Roulette, the way to really get some EV is to double first then clear the WR. Check out the Twofer link to see a way to mitigate this risk by doing a pair of similar bonuses at one time. When I did this one, I ended up +$490 and they cashed out in about 24 hours. A very good experience all around.

Halo7

makeutap247

10-18-2006, 11:55 PM

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5. French Roulette is more streaky at this casino than any other I have played at in a long time. If I bet a color for 500 spins $1 on autoplay, I usually complete the $500 without hitting my +/- $25 limits slightly more than half of the time. I almost never complete the 500 spins at CasinoShare. It is common to reach the limits after under 200 spins. This streakyness occurred during both sessions.

6. Downloads are slow... both the casinos and the games. This may relate to the French Roulette streakyness.

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You have to be kidding me.

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No joke. See the screenshot at the bottom of the page at http://www.beatingbonuses.com/froulette.htm . The odds of hitting 5 numbers in a row like that are roughly 1 in 2 million.

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I have to agree with Kyleb here. Nothing streaky there. Odds of winning the lottery are alot worse but people still win. Microgaming software is as reputable as casino software comes.

aka23

10-18-2006, 11:59 PM

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5. French Roulette is more streaky at this casino than any other I have played at in a long time. If I bet a color for 500 spins $1 on autoplay, I usually complete the $500 without hitting my +/- $25 limits slightly more than half of the time. I almost never complete the 500 spins at CasinoShare. It is common to reach the limits after under 200 spins. This streakyness occurred during both sessions.

6. Downloads are slow... both the casinos and the games. This may relate to the French Roulette streakyness.

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You have to be kidding me.

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No joke. See the screenshot at the bottom of the page at http://www.beatingbonuses.com/froulette.htm . The odds of hitting 5 numbers in a row like that are roughly 1 in 2 million.

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I have to agree with Kyleb here. Nothing streaky there. Odds of winning the lottery are alot worse but people still win. Microgaming software is as reputable as casino software comes.

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Do people win the lottery twice in a short period?

In the incident pictured above, there were two different 1 in 2 million streaks within a few minutes from each other.

makeutap247

10-19-2006, 12:02 AM

Honestly, I am surprised to see an experienced casino whore referring to streaky software. If you play enough casinos you will see all most everything. That does not mean the site is streaky, rigged, or using a faulty random number generating algorithm.

aka23

10-19-2006, 12:04 AM

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Honestly, I am surprised to see an experienced casino whore referring to streaky software. If you play enough casinos you will see all most everything. That does not mean the site is streaky, rigged, or using a faulty random number generating algorithm.

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Look at the odds... two different streaks that occur randomly once in ~2 million trials within a few hundred spins. The odds of that are near statistically impossible. Many people have noted similar behavior with french roulette on autoplay. This has been reported to Microgaming as well. I believe the SW is flawed.

makeutap247

10-19-2006, 12:12 AM

I was initially impressed with your website but now I am a little perplexed by your opinion and reasoning. I'm not going to argue with you but I don't agree with you. My personal results playing french roulette at Microgaming sites have been more than satisfactory ending up several times on the positive side of variance. I wouldn't go by my results though because any of our individual or even a group of us still represent a very small sampling. As far as the lottery goes I consider a human lifetime a short period to win it twice and yes more than one person has done just that.

Jeff_B

10-19-2006, 12:37 AM

idk about you but after the third time 11 comes up I am dropping $50 on 11 and making alot of money

Dave Coulier

10-19-2006, 01:03 AM

Im pretty sure you are the only person to end up on the positive side of variance regarding Autoplay French Roulette(exaggeration of course).

All I know is I wont play FR anymore no matter what the +EV is after losing more than 2x the standard 4 times in a row.

aka23

10-19-2006, 01:05 AM

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I was initially impressed with your website but now I am a little perplexed by your opinion and reasoning. I'm not going to argue with you but I don't agree with you. My personal results playing french roulette at Microgaming sites have been more than satisfactory ending up several times on the positive side of variance. I wouldn't go by my results though because any of our individual or even a group of us still represent a very small sampling. As far as the lottery goes I consider a human lifetime a short period to win it twice and yes more than one person has done just that.

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Yes, I've ended on the positive side of variance the majority of the time as well. I didn't say cheating software. I said French Roulette autoplay can be streaky.

I think just about anyone who works out the actual probablilities in the above situation would at least be suspicious of something odd happening. The chances of hitting 5 numbers in a row are (1/37)^4 = 1 in 1.9 million. The chances of hitting two series of 5 in a row within 300 spins are roughly 1 in (1.9 million * 1.9 million) / 300 = 1 in ~10 billion . Once you get in the 1 in billion+ range, its more likely screwy software than random chance. Note that this is not just an isolated event. I have seen similar streaks several times.

kyleb

10-19-2006, 01:07 AM

You are embarassing.

That is all.

aka23

10-19-2006, 01:10 AM

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You are embarassing.

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You are not make a convincing argument that I am incorrect.

That is all.

froggy527

10-19-2006, 01:20 AM

I got killed by French Roulette On three out of four
sites! On the last one I did I decided I could do without
French Roulette! On two sites I lost over 100 bets in six
thousand spins.

kyleb

10-19-2006, 01:23 AM

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You are embarassing.

That is all.

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You are not make a convincing argument that I am incorrect.

That is all.

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I don't need to. Your arguments are flawed, absurd, and there's no chance I can change your mind.

Disseminating such patently false information to people who may become your potential clients is misleading and irresponsible. I'd like to say I'm shocked that someone with the extensive history that you have on CasinoMeister would say such ridiculous things, but people draw faulty conclusions all the time despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

To all others reading this thread: There is no such thing as one game being more streaky than the exact same game at another site with the exact same software provider. His arguments that "the game downloads slowly so that may factor into why the game is inherently more streaky" is absolutely inane, and I hope you understand why. Ask yourself: Do I want to go through an affiliate who believes in things like this?

makeutap247

10-19-2006, 01:27 AM

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Im pretty sure you are the only person to end up on the positive side of variance regarding Autoplay French Roulette(exaggeration of course).

All I know is I wont play FR anymore no matter what the +EV is after losing more than 2x the standard 4 times in a row.

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If I have to wager $15k at french roulette to clear a $250 bonus such as at casinoshare then I expect to lose a little more than $200. If I only lose $175 then I have ended up on the positive side of variance and I am satisfied. I highly doubt I am the only one.

In addition if you are playing these bonuses like stickies as you should then even if lost twice the standard you still shouldn't lose money. The only reason I wouldn't do the bonus is if my bankroll couldn't stand to lose $250. I just don't understand the logic of saying you wouldn't do a bonus with french roulette no matter what he +EV. I wish I could do it for you with my money and keep the profit /images/graemlins/smile.gif

aka23

10-19-2006, 01:30 AM

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You are embarassing.

That is all.

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You are not make a convincing argument that I am incorrect.

That is all.

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I don't need to. Your arguments are flawed, absurd, and there's no chance I can change your mind.

Disseminating such patently false information to people who may become your potential clients is misleading and irresponsible. I'd like to say I'm shocked that someone with the extensive history that you have on CasinoMeister would say such ridiculous things, but people draw faulty conclusions all the time despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

To all others reading this thread: There is no such thing as one game being more streaky than the exact same game at another site with the exact same software provider. His arguments that "the game downloads slowly so that may factor into why the game is inherently more streaky" is absolutely inane, and I hope you understand why. Ask yourself: Do I want to go through an affiliate who believes in things like this?

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My argument is that something is out of the ordinary when you run into steaks that are expected to occur once in millions of spins multiple times within a few minutes.

Server overload is undoubtedly a possible influence on abnormal software behavior. I have worked in software (now I'm more VHDL and HW) and have observed this type of influence on many occasions.

makeutap247

10-19-2006, 01:32 AM

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You are embarassing.

That is all.

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You are not make a convincing argument that I am incorrect.

That is all.

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I don't need to. Your arguments are flawed, absurd, and there's no chance I can change your mind.

Disseminating such patently false information to people who may become your potential clients is misleading and irresponsible. I'd like to say I'm shocked that someone with the extensive history that you have on CasinoMeister would say such ridiculous things, but people draw faulty conclusions all the time despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

To all others reading this thread: There is no such thing as one game being more streaky than the exact same game at another site with the exact same software provider. His arguments that "the game downloads slowly so that may factor into why the game is inherently more streaky" is absolutely inane, and I hope you understand why. Ask yourself: Do I want to go through an affiliate who believes in things like this?

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Amen brother. I don't think we need to have an ugly arguement with him but I agree with your points completely.

makeutap247

10-19-2006, 01:37 AM

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Yes, I've ended on the positive side of variance the majority of the time as well. I didn't say cheating software. I said French Roulette autoplay can be streaky.

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I never said that you said the software was cheating. To say it is "streaky" though is to imply that something is amiss. I just can't agree with that. There may be some lousy software out there but it's not of the microgaming or playtech variety.

Dave Coulier

10-19-2006, 01:43 AM

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Im pretty sure you are the only person to end up on the positive side of variance regarding Autoplay French Roulette(exaggeration of course).

All I know is I wont play FR anymore no matter what the +EV is after losing more than 2x the standard 4 times in a row.

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If I have to wager $15k at french roulette to clear a $250 bonus such as at casinoshare then I expect to lose a little more than $200. If I only lose $175 then I have ended up on the positive side of variance and I am satisfied. I highly doubt I am the only one.

In addition if you are playing these bonuses like stickies as you should then even if lost twice the standard you still shouldn't lose money. The only reason I wouldn't do the bonus is if my bankroll couldn't stand to lose $250. I just don't understand the logic of saying you wouldn't do a bonus with french roulette no matter what he +EV. I wish I could do it for you with my money and keep the profit /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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If I could do as well as you described in the beginning of your post I would complete my W.R., but so far I haven't. I lost 274 in 9000 wagered at one of the 400% Casinos, and 205 in 8100 wagered at another 400%. Im typically losing $130 at the 200% Casinos. After those types of runs, you can't blame me for never wanting to play French Roulette ever again /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

aka23

10-19-2006, 01:46 AM

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Amen brother. I don't think we need to have an ugly arguement with him but I agree with your points completely.

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So what are the two of you proposing? It is all random chance? It doesn't matter how many in a row or how rare the event is, the game does not have an error?

In Roulette Royal, the player wins the progresive jackpot if there is a streak of 5 in a row (on any number). It typically is months between jackpot hits, never minutes.

aka23

10-19-2006, 01:50 AM

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I never said that you said the software was cheating. To say it is "streaky" though is to imply that something is amiss. I just can't agree with that. There may be some lousy software out there but it's not of the microgaming or playtech variety.

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You implied it by saying that French Roulette was not streaky because you have done well in the game. I wasn't saying that the game had an unfair house edge.

Microgaming makes mistakes, just like everyone else. Rememeber the autoplay mistakes when the Gold Series came out. Microgaming admitted the mistake, and some casinos compensated players.

makeutap247

10-19-2006, 01:51 AM

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Im pretty sure you are the only person to end up on the positive side of variance regarding Autoplay French Roulette(exaggeration of course).

All I know is I wont play FR anymore no matter what the +EV is after losing more than 2x the standard 4 times in a row.

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If I have to wager $15k at french roulette to clear a $250 bonus such as at casinoshare then I expect to lose a little more than $200. If I only lose $175 then I have ended up on the positive side of variance and I am satisfied. I highly doubt I am the only one.

In addition if you are playing these bonuses like stickies as you should then even if lost twice the standard you still shouldn't lose money. The only reason I wouldn't do the bonus is if my bankroll couldn't stand to lose $250. I just don't understand the logic of saying you wouldn't do a bonus with french roulette no matter what he +EV. I wish I could do it for you with my money and keep the profit /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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If I could do as well as you described in the beginning of your post I would complete my W.R., but so far I haven't. I lost 274 in 9000 wagered at one of the 400% Casinos, and 205 in 8100 wagered at another 400%. Im typically losing $130 at the 200% Casinos. After those types of runs, you can't blame me for never wanting to play French Roulette ever again /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

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I may be mistaken but it sounds like you are playing these bonuses as regular cashables and not as stickies. If you played them as stickies and lost the amounts you list you would still be showing a profit. Playing these as stickies does carry a much greater risk of busting out but the scores you do make will more than make up for it. The wager requirement and house edge is simply to high to play them as regular cashable bonuses. If you do there is a good chance you will make very little or even lose money.

Dave Coulier

10-19-2006, 03:14 AM

Im playing them as stickies. I double up at Bacarrat and when Ive tried to clear my W.R. with F.R. as suggested I run horribly horribly bad. Im still making a nice profit yes, but If I had just cashed out after winning my Baccarat bet each time I would actually be a about $120-$150 ahead of what I am right now.

Addenum: On my earlier post, I did not mean " X wagered", I meant X number of spins.

batmanoflove

10-19-2006, 04:38 AM

Dave Coulier

10-19-2006, 04:52 AM

I think it all comes down to Peace of Mind. Do you want to set autoplay up and come back 2 hours later and see you've lost half your balance and regret ever playing F.R., or would you rather just cash out after winning the baccarat bet and being happy with what you have won.

Ill gladly take the second option after having taken the first option so many times and always being on the wrong end of variance. I wont subject myeslf to it again for an amount of EV that isn't worth the time and frustration in my eyes.

For everyone that did have a positive experience with F.R., Im sure they would do it over and over again.

Of course I expect someone to tell me Im not a real bonus whore if im foregoing a certain amount of E.V. by cashing out immediately, but theres definately value in Peace of Mind even if its not monetary.