Moving out of the US

[tehDiceman]

Has anyone considered moving away from the US due to this new legislation. I thought about Canada, not too far from it physically. I think if I moved it would be due to a culmination of BS that is going on with this gambling legislation breaking the camel back.

[Wake up CALL]

People do it all the time, of course when they return for a visit they are forced to pay all the back taxes they owe plus penalties, interest and oh yes, let's not forget the potential felony conviction for fleeing the USA in order to avoid paying taxes.

[tehDiceman]

I dont see how this country could pull tax evasion if you are moving because you disagree with the state of the union and the direction the country is headed. Not to mention, if I leave, I'm not coming back.

[dwedeking]

I'm curious if you have to pay taxes on an action that they consider illegal that is performed outside the US? I'm assuming so, but don't know in fact.

If you moved outside the US you could pay taxes on your gambling like you would do if you could play in the states and still visit without an issue, I would think. So moving outside the US to play doesn't mean never coming back.

[AMT]

i dont see a need to move at this time.

[Dementia]

It'd still be nice living somewhere that you don't have to weasel around to do something that should be within your right in the 1st place.

[CaryDarling]

I wanna go to costa rica

[BJK]

There are more reasons than just to play poker that could feasibly make one want to move out of the United States in this day and age. Frankly, the only reason I'm still in America is because I choose to stay and fight.

[Indiana]

No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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If you haven't noticed, this is no longer the country your ancestors died for.

[kslghost]

Moving to Canada is much harder now than it used to be. It could take at least a year, if not two.

[Poker4Gambling]

It's a sad day period when anyone would even consider leaving the US because of infringements on an individual rights. Who'd of even thought 10 years ago that it could come to this? Kicking out Ayatollah Frist sounds like a better option.

[Indiana]

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No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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If you haven't noticed, this is no longer the country your ancestors died for.

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Its still the best country on the planet, poker or no poker.

Indy

[zipppy]

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No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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If you haven't noticed, this is no longer the country your ancestors died for.

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Its still the best country on the planet, poker or no poker.

Indy

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holla

[tehDiceman]

So from what some of you are saying about taxes, anyone that lives outside of the US and buys goods or services from a shop in their own country, that are also sold in the US(shirts, computers, etc), should have to pay taxes just to visit the US? That sounds like horse crap to me. If I lived in Mexico or Canada and bought a led zepplin shirt, there is no way I would pay the sales tax when I walked across the border to visit my mom nor would I call the IRS and write them a check for my back taxes when I don't live in US.

Contrary to popular belief, this country sucks. Our healthcare system is fubar, education is crap, politics is rediculous, other items including welfare, food stamps, and social security need some serious work, corruption and other various "illegalities" are running rampant. How can you say this country is the best, especially if you haven't visited any other countries?

There was a time when I would have agreed with you, then I decided to open my eyes and see what is going on in Washington and various other cities. This country has potential, however, the system is so far gone that it will take a massive revolution to fix it. Not gonna happen.

[blueodum]

I dont see how this country could pull tax evasion if you are moving because you disagree with the state of the union and the direction the country is headed. Not to mention, if I leave, I'm not coming back.

You'll have to renounce your citizenship. The US is very proactive in seeking taxes from citzen/ex-pats.

[5thStreetHog]

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No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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If you haven't noticed, this is no longer the country your ancestors died for.

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Its still the best country on the planet, poker or no poker.

Indy

[/ QUOTE ]My heart says yes,my mind says maybe not.(and poker is not the main reason for this thought)

[emptyshell]

Unless you renounce your citizenship, you have pay taxes on whatever income you make that you don't pay taxes on in your new country (basically, there's some weird exception on the first 80k).

You also have to pay taxes on any income obtained illegally. If you sell drugs or hire yourself out as a hitman, you have to pay taxes on the income.

If you think the U.S. is that bad, I imagine you'd just die instantly in most countries on the planet. There are, however, several countries I'd consider competitive these days as far as the best place to live.

[spartaninpr]

Considering Panama(lived there before),Costa rica and Thailand.Gonna wait 'til the dust settles though.

[Starfish]

In Europe if you play at casinos that are licensed in EU or EEA countries, you are paying the taxes straight from the rake. The casino pays them for you. So you can keep all the monies you make from playing. Only have to pay taxes yourself if you play at casinos outside of EEA, because those casinos don't pay the taxes for you.

So your winnings are already taxed and you shouldn't need to pay taxes to USA, if you move to Europe and play while staying here. I suppose.

[poker12]

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No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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If you haven't noticed, this is no longer the country your ancestors died for.

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Its still the best country on the planet, poker or no poker.

Indy

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Not the country your ancestors died for.

And what other countries have you lived in for more than one month? Or are you basing this on no experience abroad and only on the propoganda they feed you in the red states?

[Starfish]

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There are, however, several countries I'd consider competitive these days as far as the best place to live.

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I don't think USA or US cities have been at the top of those OECD living quality comparisons. I don't know if your media publishes them. But your neighbour Canada has done pretty well, and some European countries.

[Little_Luck]

I believe we have been brainwashed into believing this is the greatest country on the planet.

[Starfish]

Don't worry, you are not the only ones. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[maxtower]

Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.
Actually now that I think about it, the only redeeming quality about the US is football.

Max

[Indiana]

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Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.
Actually now that I think about it, the only redeeming quality about the US is football.

Max

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You are wrong. America is where all of the world's innovation occurs. We are the greatest right now, and will likely stay that way for another 50 yrs at least. Canada is not a realistic model, nor are the welfare Euro countries. Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time. Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially. Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem. I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

Indy

[EgoSlasher]

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No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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If you haven't noticed, this is no longer the country your ancestors died for.

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Its still the best country on the planet, poker or no poker.

Indy

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LOL, go visit Asia

[Indiana]

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No way I'm leaving the country that my ancestors died for over poker. And I really love this game.

Indy

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If you haven't noticed, this is no longer the country your ancestors died for.

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Its still the best country on the planet, poker or no poker.

Indy

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LOL, go visit Asia

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Yah ur right, the Philippines and Thailand are much better and more innovative than america:) Remind me, how many new life saving drugs were developed over there this year?

[5thStreetHog]

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Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.
Actually now that I think about it, the only redeeming quality about the US is football.

Max

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You are wrong. America is where all of the world's innovation occurs. We are the greatest right now, and will likely stay that way for another 50 yrs at least. Canada is not a realistic model, nor are the welfare Euro countries. Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time. Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially. Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem. I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

Indy

[/ QUOTE ]I could debate nearly every statement you just made.But this is starting to seem like a political debate.I think the bottom line is that most americans love their home.But,that doesnt mean we cant make it better and i assume we are on the same side of that point.Btw,i loved the guy who figured football was all thats left lol classic.

[Indiana]

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Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.
Actually now that I think about it, the only redeeming quality about the US is football.

Max

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You are wrong. America is where all of the world's innovation occurs. We are the greatest right now, and will likely stay that way for another 50 yrs at least. Canada is not a realistic model, nor are the welfare Euro countries. Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time. Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially. Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem. I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

Indy

[/ QUOTE ]I could debate nearly every statement you just made.But this is starting to seem like a political debate.I think the bottom line is that most americans love their home.But,that doesnt mean we cant make it better and i assume we are on the same side of that point.Btw,i loved the guy who figured football was all thats left lol classic.

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agreed. we can make it better, but we all have to be more proactive. we are the ones to blame because we did so very little to protect our game.

Indy

[5thStreetHog]

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Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.
Actually now that I think about it, the only redeeming quality about the US is football.

Max

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You are wrong. America is where all of the world's innovation occurs. We are the greatest right now, and will likely stay that way for another 50 yrs at least. Canada is not a realistic model, nor are the welfare Euro countries. Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time. Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially. Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem. I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

Indy

[/ QUOTE ]I could debate nearly every statement you just made.But this is starting to seem like a political debate.I think the bottom line is that most americans love their home.But,that doesnt mean we cant make it better and i assume we are on the same side of that point.Btw,i loved the guy who figured football was all thats left lol classic.

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agreed. we can make it better, but we all have to be more proactive. we are the ones to blame because we did so very little to protect our game.

Indy

[/ QUOTE ]Very true,and also true in other circumstances.Everyone(me guilty too) likes to cry and moan about things are government does not realizing we have the ultimate control as the people.Which,is one of the reasons america is a great country.Although,eventually that power could dissapear over time,i take the optimistic view that it wont ever get that bad.(i hope /images/graemlins/mad.gif)

[Poker4Gambling]

Calling Canada a socialist society? Boy you are uninformed. You base your statement on the fact of national health care to keep it's people alive and in health? Or the fact everyone isn't packing making it safe to walk the streets?Busto finacially while running surpluses the lastest around 13 billion? Hope for your sake you know more about poker than foreign politics.

[busguy]

Wow . . . what's with all the Canada hating ?

I think it's great that you love your country. A little too much it would seem . . but hey it's nice that your patriotic.

Do me a favour though and at least have a clue when you want to spout off about another country.

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Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time.

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And the U.S. doesn't ? Ever seen the balance of trade between the two countries ? Almost 50% of your total imports come from Canada. We sell you natural resources of all types (water, fuel, electricity, wood etc). We could sell these to anybody, but it is Canada that benefits "big time" ?

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Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem.

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Canada isn't a socialist country their einstein. Just because we have socialized medicine does not make us a socialist country. Socialist countries are ones like China and Cuba and the former USSR.

Ever look at a report (The United Nations, The Economist etc) on what they consider to be the best places to live in the world ? Countries that YOU would probably refer to as Socialist like Sweden, Norway and Australia and Canada are generally in the top 4 or 5.

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Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially.

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Well you got me on the military part . . . but finacially busto ? Are you kidding me ? Where do you get this stuff from . . . the funnies from your Sunday paper ?

Canada has not been stronger financially in the last 20 years than it is today. Care to look at how America's books look today versus any of the last 20 years ?

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I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

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Well judging by your comments it's obvious that you know a lot about Canada /images/graemlins/crazy.gif. This business you do . . . does it have anything to do with tourists and selling them fast food ?

[5thStreetHog]

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Wow . . . what's with all the Canada hating ?

I think it's great that you love your country. A little too much it would seem . . but hey it's nice that your patriotic.

Do me a favour though and at least have a clue when you want to spout off about another country.

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Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time.

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And the U.S. doesn't ? Ever seen the balance of trade between the two countries ? Almost 50% of your total imports come from Canada. We sell you natural resources of all types (water, fuel, electricity, wood etc). We could sell these to anybody, but it is Canada that benefits "big time" ?

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Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem.

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Canada isn't a socialist country their einstein. Just because we have socialized medicine does not make us a socialist country. Socialist countries are ones like China and Cuba and the former USSR.

Ever look at a report (The United Nations, The Economist etc) on what they consider to be the best places to live in the world ? Countries that YOU would probably refer to as Socialist like Sweden, Norway and Australia and Canada are generally in the top 4 or 5.

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Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially.

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Well you got me on the military part . . . but finacially busto ? Are you kidding me ? Where do you get this stuff from . . . the funnies from your Sunday paper ?

Canada has not been stronger financially in the last 20 years than it is today. Care to look at how America's books look today versus any of the last 20 years ?

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I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

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Well judging by your comments it's obvious that you know a lot about Canada /images/graemlins/crazy.gif. This business you do . . . does it have anything to do with tourists and selling them fast food ?

[/ QUOTE ]I could take on the military statement as well(basically you dont need to spend 50 billion in bombs if your not dropping them on people for no good reason),but like i said before didnt want to debate politics here and im sticking to my story lol Ill let my brothers from the north defend themselves /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[poker12]

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You are wrong. America is where all of the world's innovation occurs. We are the greatest right now, and will likely stay that way for another 50 yrs at least. Canada is not a realistic model, nor are the welfare Euro countries. Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time. Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially. Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem. I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

Indy

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So basically you are backing your first statment with facts that canada sucks and so do "welfare euro" countries. That equals the rest of the world for me also. (I'm not even going to touch the 'innovative' line you had)

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Yah ur right, the Philippines and Thailand are much better and more innovative than america:) Remind me, how many new life saving drugs were developed over there this year?

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And then here you reiterate your point that america is the best because thailand and the phillipenes constitute all of asia.

I'm surprised you and your christian friends didnt hold the pen for frist.

For those who have the luxury of living abroad for a period of time, you should see what else is out there. Rather then watch Fox News all day. We don't live in black hole here in the US.

[Starfish]

I think I might start to like some of you yanks one day.

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Its still the best country on the planet, poker or no poker.

Indy

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I imagine New Zealand + Poker > USA + no poker

[goodguy_1]

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I imagine New Zealand + Poker > USA + Poker


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FYP

New Zealand is awesome -very difficult thu to become a citizen there supposedly.

[Ali shmali]

dude, move to costa rica. surf, cervezas, senorita's, and no army, which to a lot of people, is a + not a -.

[spartaninpr]

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dude, move to costa rica. surf, cervezas, senorita's, and no army, which to a lot of people, is a + not a -.

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[weaklyatomic]

Even in the worst case scenario, it would be easier to set up a foreign bank account and use a proxy server then to move to another country.

[doormat]

The Economist did a regression analysis of 111 countries to see which has the best quality of life. The US finished 13th. Story is here:

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005

[urko888_]

True that.

[somapopper]

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Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.
Actually now that I think about it, the only redeeming quality about the US is football.

Max

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You are wrong. America is where all of the world's innovation occurs. We are the greatest right now, and will likely stay that way for another 50 yrs at least. Canada is not a realistic model, nor are the welfare Euro countries. Canada benefits from being connected to big brother america big time. Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially. Socialism does not work over the long run and that's Canada's biggest long-term problem. I do lots of business w/ Canada and am well aware of the problems that they have.

Indy

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Say what you will about the tennants of national socialism, Indy, at least it's an ethos.

[cognito20]

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I believe we have been brainwashed into believing this is the greatest country on the planet.

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You have been. I live in Australia part of the year, and the only reason I don't live there all year is that my parents are still alive and I want to see them occasionally. When they pass on, my wife and I are moving to Adelaide full-time and never coming back. The quality of life Down Under is far, far better than the current state of affairs in the US.

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[Chris_ca]

I welcome you.

I really can't imagine anyone from the US moving to Canada and not liking it here.

[wmspringer]

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It's a sad day period when anyone would even consider leaving the US because of infringements on an individual rights. Who'd of even thought 10 years ago that it could come to this? Kicking out Ayatollah Frist sounds like a better option.

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He's not seeking reelection this year. The rest of his party still needs to go, though.

[Beavis68]

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Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.


Max

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that is a joke right?

[Texibus]

I have a like 4 casinos near me so if worse comes to worse i can always start playing live.... Go detroit!

[Indiana]

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I have a like 4 casinos near me so if worse comes to worse i can always start playing live.... Go detroit!

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detroit poker rooms suck...Greektown is the best of the worst.

Indy

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In Europe if you play at casinos that are licensed in EU or EEA countries, you are paying the taxes straight from the rake. The casino pays them for you. So you can keep all the monies you make from playing. Only have to pay taxes yourself if you play at casinos outside of EEA, because those casinos don't pay the taxes for you.

So your winnings are already taxed and you shouldn't need to pay taxes to USA, if you move to Europe and play while staying here. I suppose.

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For christs sake, guys, the notion of having to pay taxes at all on gambling money is absurd, IMHO. Most people started their bankroll with $ they made from jobs....money that was already taxed. Your paying taxes again on that money with EVERYTHING YOU BUY . Then on the converse side you can only deduct gambling losses to the point that they cancel out winnings. Once the losses consume your roll, and venture into your life money, you can't write it off anymore. And, your gambling losses can't cross over from year to year. So if you are down 30K in '06 and up 15k in '07, you pay no taxes (but get no write offs) in 06 but pay full tax on the 15k in 07.

Throw into the mix that you have absolutely no say whatsoever in what programs your taxes pay for (don't give me that voting crap either), and you got yourself a one way system that leads right to DC, and from there is dispersed to big business/interest groups.

I've lived out of the country before and would have NO PROBLEM doing it again. This issue is about more than just a card game....it's about whats right and whats fair.

[Lawman007]

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Contrary to popular belief, this country sucks. Our healthcare system is fubar, education is crap, politics is rediculous, other items including welfare, food stamps, and social security need some serious work, corruption and other various "illegalities" are running rampant. How can you say this country is the best, especially if you haven't visited any other countries?

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It sounds like you're the one who has never visited other countries. If you had, then you would know that, even with all its faults, the United States is still the best country in the world to live in by far.

I'm pretty pissed off at the government in power right now, not only over this online poker thing, but Iraq and lots of other things, as well. However, I would never even consider leaving to go live in another country.

If your life is so narrowly focused that online poker is the only thing that matters to you, then leave. No one besides your family and friends will know or care.

[blueodum]

Hell, canada doesn't really even need to worry about military and they are still about to go busto financially.

Are you joking? We've been running surpluses for over a decade now.

[dwedeking]

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Contrary to popular belief, this country sucks. Our healthcare system is fubar, education is crap, politics is rediculous, other items including welfare, food stamps, and social security need some serious work, corruption and other various "illegalities" are running rampant. How can you say this country is the best, especially if you haven't visited any other countries?

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It sounds like you're the one who has never visited other countries. If you had, then you would know that, even with all its faults, the United States is still the best country in the world to live in by far.

I'm pretty pissed off at the government in power right now, not only over this online poker thing, but Iraq and lots of other things, as well. However, I would never even consider leaving to go live in another country.

If your life is so narrowly focused that online poker is the only thing that matters to you, then leave. No one besides your family and friends will know or care.

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I lived in Europe for three years. While I hated the snow (lived in Germany) there wasn't much that was missed except football and now there's the internet so you can get NFL online. While I wouldn't leave this country because of poker I think it's close-minded to think this is the only country in the world worth living in. All governments suck to some degree or other, you will have to deal with issues similiar to this anywhere you live.

[Indiana]

Ok well let's assume that we want to leave the country so that we can play online poker. How does one even do that? Let's use me as an example. I'm 30 with a good education and a fat job and have >100K in savings. Where do I go so that I can play and how do I do it exactly? I can't imagine that the Dutch gov't is just gonna let me hang out in Amsterdam forever.

Indy

[bad_egg]

I moved out of the US last year because I hate the country now.

I have family still in the US. I pay my taxes on my income (poker is primary income), so I don't worry about not being able to come back to visit. I get a tax break for living outside the country though.

The US has great propaganda. Is there another country in the world where 99% of the population thinks that their country is the best, and only 10% have ever stepped foot outside?

[Indiana]

so u live in S.America? was it hard to get residency?

Indy

[AustinDoug]

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For christs sake, guys, the notion of having to pay taxes at all on gambling money is absurd, IMHO. Most people started their bankroll with $ they made from jobs....money that was already taxed. Your paying taxes again on that money with EVERYTHING YOU BUY .

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You pay capital gains taxes on your investment portfolio. That portfolio is paid with after tax dollars. Your estate pays death taxes on your money, that was already taxed. There are numerous other examples. Fair or not, poker is being treat like everything else.

[bad_egg]

yes, I live in Buenos Aires for now.

I don't have residency. I'm on a tourist visa. 3 months at a time, but it costs less to pay the fine for staying over than it does to get an extension. But I haven't needed to do either since the 3 months resets every time you leave the country, and I end up taking a trip outside the country at least once every 3 months anyway.

I am thinking about starting the process for getting permanent residency, since I really like Argentina. And as I understand it, for a foreigner with outside income, it isn't very difficult. I don't have personal experience with that yet though.

[AlexM]

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It's a sad day period when anyone would even consider leaving the US because of infringements on an individual rights. Who'd of even thought 10 years ago that it could come to this? Kicking out Ayatollah Frist sounds like a better option.

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The vast majority of the existing government infringements on our individual rights are well over 10 years old.

[BigAlK]

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The vast majority of the existing government infringements on our individual rights are well over 10 years old.

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You may be right. It depends on what specific things you believe have infringed. However IMO there hasn't been an administration in my lifetime that has even come close.

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Indy,
This may be a great country for you, but its not for everyone. For me, its got to be one of the worst. This poker legislation is just another reminder of how the US is one of the most oppressive countries in the world.


Max

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that is a joke right?

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[1huskerfan]

How old are you?

[BigAlK]

Eisenhower was president when I was born.

[b_emanuel]

Yup, it's a wonderful country! Where everything that makes funU is illegal! And Goverment can fk the population at their liking. Just take a week or two of vacation outside your beloved country and learn how beautyfull the rest of the world is.

[cnpoker]

i see

[poker12]

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The US has great propaganda. Is there another country in the world where 99% of the population thinks that their country is the best, and only 10% have ever stepped foot outside?

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So [censored] true.

Hey bad egg, i'm thinking of going to brazil or argentina for a year (i love latin women). Can I PM you with some housing questions?

[kidpokeher]

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The Economist did a regression analysis of 111 countries to see which has the best quality of life. The US finished 13th. Story is here:

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005

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Nice link. Thanks. Looks like it's a good time to be Irish or Swiss.

[XxGeneralxX]

I just turned 21 so forgive me if this is a stupid question.

I have been playing online for 3 years and have prolly cashed out 7-8 thousand.

I dont have a job and dont pay taxes on any income.

Is it possible I will be flagged and or arrested? because going to jail is not an option for me. im skinny fresh meat. i would prolly get pwned in the showers 10 times per day.

Someone who knows about taxes plz help

[5thStreetHog]

[ QUOTE ]
I just turned 21 so forgive me if this is a stupid question.

I have been playing online for 3 years and have prolly cashed out 7-8 thousand.

I dont have a job and dont pay taxes on any income.

Is it possible I will be flagged and or arrested? because going to jail is not an option for me. im skinny fresh meat. i would prolly get pwned in the showers 10 times per day.

Someone who knows about taxes plz help

[/ QUOTE ]Go to IRS website,you might not even have to file federal making 7G a year in total gross income.But you can find that info on their site.Also state tax laws might also vary.

[5thStreetHog]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I just turned 21 so forgive me if this is a stupid question.

I have been playing online for 3 years and have prolly cashed out 7-8 thousand.

I dont have a job and dont pay taxes on any income.

Is it possible I will be flagged and or arrested? because going to jail is not an option for me. im skinny fresh meat. i would prolly get pwned in the showers 10 times per day.

Someone who knows about taxes plz help

[/ QUOTE ]Go to IRS website,you might not even have to file federal making 7G a year in total gross income.But you can find that info on their site.Also state tax laws might also vary.

[/ QUOTE ]Sorry i missed the cashed out part,i believe its irrelevant if you cashed it out or not ,its what you`ve earned.But let someone else with better knowledge help you /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[UF_Gators]

Remember that we voted for the idiots in Washington who are screwing us. It's not really the politicians as much as the soccer moms who want the evil gamblers away from their precious children and the apathetic moderates/don't care people who don't go to the polls to cancel the mom's vote for the facists.

Living in Latin America poses some other risks. You can live well with less money than here, but you face more risk. The kidnapping rate there is astronomical and if you are kidnapped, the FBI isn't going to be spending any time looking for you. You will be lucky to get out alive even if you pay. Also, many of the countries are unstable or could become unstable in the near future. Hugo Chavez destroyed the economy of Venezuela despite having tons of oil revenue. I worked down there and the local employees at my company say the value of their savings cut in half as their curency plummeted. They couldn't even exchange their money for dollars ahead of time because the government banned it. I saw a near revolution in Guatemala and watched Daniel Noriega (the commie that killed thousands of Nicaraguans) nearly get reelected. Even in Argentina, one of the better off countries down there, the economy collapsed a few years ago and crime skyrocketed. It might be a decent short-term alternative, but you need to be able to get out on short notice.