MSNBC Article - it is "unenforceable"

[John Rwanda]

I don't know if this has been posted yet in the other threads.

New online law is "uneforceable". (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15240569/)

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

This is a good, detailed article.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

"A banking industry source, who spoke with MSNBC.com on condition of anonymity, said industry lobbyists succeeded in getting language inserted into the legislation that will make the regulators’ job that much harder.

“If the regulation-writing authority says it’s not feasible to try and block the check and the electronic payment, the regulations can’t require the impossible,” the source said. "Also, the regulations will have to deal with language put in at the last minute that the regulations should require the credit card companies to avoid blocking legitimate transactions.”

“Let’s just say my friends at the Fed were not itching for this bill to pass,” the source added with a chuckle."

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Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance, said that many of those who consider online betting a harmless diversion probably won’t put up with the hassle.

“It’s the casual player who enjoys the game responsibly and on a casual basis who is most likely to be impacted,” he said.

His organization is pinning its hopes on winning an exemption from the ban as a “skill game” from a card player in a position of power – President Bush.

Bolcerek cited a February 2004 article in “American Thinker” magazine that reported, “By reputation, the president was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student” at Harvard University in the early 1970s.

“We’re talking about an American tradition that is 150 years old … and is now mainstream,” he said. “We’re hoping that an old poker player would appreciate the wisdom of that argument.”



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So the PPA plans to get Bush to convince Congress that poker is a game of skill?

Somebody please start a PAC. The PPA must be run be people who have no clue as to how the US political system operates.

[MiltonFriedman]

"Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance,...
His organization is pinning its hopes on winning an exemption from the ban as a “skill game” from a card player in a position of power – President Bush. "

Say` it ain't so .... What a f***ing moron, politically speaking of course.

[CutCreator]

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Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance, said that many of those who consider online betting a harmless diversion probably won’t put up with the hassle.

“It’s the casual player who enjoys the game responsibly and on a casual basis who is most likely to be impacted,” he said.

His organization is pinning its hopes on winning an exemption from the ban as a “skill game” from a card player in a position of power – President Bush.

Bolcerek cited a February 2004 article in “American Thinker” magazine that reported, “By reputation, the president was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student” at Harvard University in the early 1970s.

“We’re talking about an American tradition that is 150 years old … and is now mainstream,” he said. “We’re hoping that an old poker player would appreciate the wisdom of that argument.”



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So the PPA plans to get Bush to convince Congress that poker is a game of skill?

Somebody please start a PAC. The PPA must be run be people who have no clue as to how the US political system operates.

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this is a bit off the subject but i thought they were going to be at the today show? i watched alot of it and didnt see anything. i could have missed it.

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"Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance,...
His organization is pinning its hopes on winning an exemption from the ban as a “skill game” from a card player in a position of power – President Bush. "

Say` it ain't so .... What a f***ing moron, politically speaking of course.

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Isn't this the equivalent of spending all the PPA contributions on lotto tickets using the same 6 numbers?

[ArtMonkRules]

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Furthermore, he noted, existing customers will have icons on their desktops that can “dial out” to one of hundreds of phone numbers that will connect them to the overseas gambling sites.


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Doesn't the writer mean "IP adresses" here, and not phone numbers? The idea of having to dial in via telephone line and play with slow [cencored] dial up makes me want to puke.

[permafrost]

Congress didn't recently pass a "ban on internet gambling". Nothing today "made online gambling illegal". Two myths in the first two paragraphs. Makes the rest of the article suspect,IMHO.

[otctrader]

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I don't know if this has been posted yet in the other threads.

New online law is "uneforceable". (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15240569/)

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Bah, good article, but at this rate there won't be much left to enforce if the sites keep dropping like flies.

[ArtMonkRules]

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Furthermore, he noted, existing customers will have icons on their desktops that can “dial out” to one of hundreds of phone numbers that will connect them to the overseas gambling sites.


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Doesn't the writer mean "IP adresses" here, and not phone numbers? The idea of having to dial in via telephone line and play with slow [cencored] dial up makes me want to puke.

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Will someone plaese clarify this point for me; did they actually include language in the bill that give ISP's a list od gambling sites to block? This is the first I've read that such a thing is actually incluided in the bill.

[Dunkman]

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Bah, good article, but at this rate there won't be much left to enforce if the sites keep dropping like flies.

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blah, we got stars, ftp, absolute, and neteller, f the rest of them.

[tinhat]

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So the PPA plans to get Bush to convince Congress that poker is a game of skill?

Somebody please start a PAC. The PPA must be run be people who have no clue as to how the US political system operates.

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Maybe not the best tack but after reading how it appears many will (rightly?) be more or less poking Congress in the eye over internet gambling, it could be more important than ever now to separate out poker from other kinds of gambling before an angered Congress revisits this and really clamps down (a couple big assumptions in there but I'm not feeling particularly emboldened no matter how the election turns out - poker is/always has been on shaky ground in U.S.)

With this close call (I'm hoping) and a bit of breathing room now, I think the push should not be 'how can we get around the legislation' or 'have we found enough loopholes for business-as-usual' but 'how can we permanently get poker out from under this nebulous gambling stigma?'

[John Rwanda]

The story just made the front page of MSNBC.com. This is the biggest coverage yet.

[Lawman007]

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His organization is pinning its hopes on winning an exemption from the ban as a “skill game” from a card player in a position of power – President Bush. [/b]

Bolcerek cited a February 2004 article in “American Thinker” magazine that reported, “By reputation, the president was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student” at Harvard University in the early 1970s.

“We’re talking about an American tradition that is 150 years old … and is now mainstream,” he said. “We’re hoping that an old poker player would appreciate the wisdom of that argument.”

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Bush used to do drugs, too, but I doubt he's in favor of legalizing them now. LOL

Man, that PPA president is a bigger moron than the US president. No wonder the PPA has been so ineffective in preventing this debacle.

[permafrost]

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Furthermore, he noted, existing customers will have icons on their desktops that can “dial out” to one of hundreds of phone numbers that will connect them to the overseas gambling sites.


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Doesn't the writer mean "IP adresses" here, and not phone numbers? The idea of having to dial in via telephone line and play with slow [cencored] dial up makes me want to puke.

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Will someone plaese clarify this point for me; did they actually include language in the bill that give ISP's a list od gambling sites to block? This is the first I've read that such a thing is actually incluided in the bill.

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The new law makes a blocking list possible, but no list exists yet AFAIK.

[John Rwanda]

I'm sure Party would be back and I hope no one shows up at their tables when it happens.

[mikeh1975]

can an internet service provider block a gambling website?
i keep getting mixed answers....

[permafrost]

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can an internet service provider block a gambling website?
i keep getting mixed answers....

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Will they be given a site to block? Likely.

Can they block the listed site? Likely, else why give them a site to block?

[DamitBob]

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I don't know if this has been posted yet in the other threads.

New online law is "uneforceable". (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15240569/)

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Bah, good article, but at this rate there won't be much left to enforce if the sites keep dropping like flies.

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Ya, we started with only 1800 rooms and we are now down to what about 900? More consolidation means better/more games at good sites like Tilt, UB, Stars, AP etc.

[wonderwes]

Houston chronicle article (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/4257217.html)

This was on the front page of the newspaper website.

[Dhani]

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can an internet service provider block a gambling website?
i keep getting mixed answers....

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Will they be given a site to block? Likely.

Can they block the listed site? Likely, else why give them a site to block?

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The government won't block porn sites with pictures of underaged teens, how is it that they are so steadfast in blocking gambling sites? Is gambling that much farther down on the morality scale in comparison with illegal porn?

[jschell]

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The new law makes a blocking list possible, but no list exists yet AFAIK.

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Where does the legislation say that? I've read it and there isn't anything about ISPs blocking gambling sites.

[jschell]

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Congress didn't recently pass a "ban on internet gambling". Nothing today "made online gambling illegal". Two myths in the first two paragraphs. Makes the rest of the article suspect,IMHO.

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Thank you. I'm tired of reading all these articles that are completely misleading and/or incorrect.

[permafrost]

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The new law makes a blocking list possible, but no list exists yet AFAIK.

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Where does the legislation say that? I've read it and there isn't anything about ISPs blocking gambling sites.

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Sec. 5365 (a), (b) and (c).

"Attorney General"

"injunction"

"removal of, or disabling of access to...... site ...link"

It does not say list if that confused you; but I'm sure they could give more than one offender to block at a time.

[jschell]

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The new law makes a blocking list possible, but no list exists yet AFAIK.

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Where does the legislation say that? I've read it and there isn't anything about ISPs blocking gambling sites.

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Sec. 5365 (a), (b) and (c).

"Attorney General"

"injunction"

"removal of, or disabling of access to...... site ...link"

It does not say list if that confused you; but I'm sure they could give more than one offender to block at a time.

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ok, nh, missed that part.