If you don't live in US another sticky type bonus.... [Archive]

raise4value

10-12-2006, 10:05 PM

i will combine it with www.alljackpots.com (http://www.alljackpots.com) which has the same offer and treat it like a twofer described in other posts.

edit: at vegaspalms they give you an extra 10% up to 100$ when your first deposit is made with neteller!!!

Eder

10-12-2006, 10:32 PM

Unless specifically stated otherwise, all deposits must have a play-through of at least once (1), before a promotional bonus specifically related to that deposit will be credited.

Antti

10-12-2006, 10:33 PM

That's odd, I got my bonus money straight up without any playthrough. And busted.

Eder

10-12-2006, 10:58 PM

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That's odd, I got my bonus money straight up without any playthrough. And busted.

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Ya...you're right...I just pasted that from their T&C...fwiw I doubled on baccarat...but OP stated this a sticky but looks cashable to me 30xB?

Dave Coulier

10-12-2006, 11:05 PM

Its cashable..he just called it a sticky type because you end up betting your whole deposit+bonus on one hand.

Dave Coulier

10-12-2006, 11:06 PM

Well Im american and I was able to get the bonus, and I just won my bacarat bet..4/8 on these now. Hopefully Roulette goes well this time.

Eder

10-12-2006, 11:10 PM

hmmm 12000 bets on french roulette @ 2%HA = ~250$ no?

1C5

10-12-2006, 11:28 PM

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hmmm 12000 bets on french roulette @ 2%HA = ~250$ no?

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That's why you double on a hand of Baccarat 1st and then you would need 9100 hands of french roulette.

Am I correct?

1C5

10-12-2006, 11:37 PM

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hmmm 12000 bets on french roulette @ 2%HA = ~250$ no?

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That's why you double on a hand of Baccarat 1st and then you would need 9100 hands of french roulette.

Am I correct?

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Nevermind, I see French Roulette counts for 50%, not 66%, you are right.

But I thought french roulette only has a 1.35% house edge?

1C5

10-12-2006, 11:42 PM

Looking at these 2 bonus: they only count French roulette for 50% and other roulettes 100%.

So would it make more sense in this case to play a different form of roulette and only have to do 6000 spins?

Also, I assume both these places have autoplay?

Ken_AA

10-12-2006, 11:46 PM

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hmmm 12000 bets on french roulette @ 2%HA = ~250$ no?

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That's why you double on a hand of Baccarat 1st and then you would need 9100 hands of french roulette.

Am I correct?

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Nevermind, I see French Roulette counts for 50%, not 66%, you are right.

But I thought french roulette only has a 1.35% house edge?

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I just cashed out after each double on the first hand. I thought It was totally worth not hasseling with all the other games. Then again I doubled up on First WEB, All Slots, Jackpot City and River Belle and my "brother" doubled up on First Web, and River Belle (he actually doubled on ALL Slots also but then decided "he" wanted to triple up before cashing out this time and busted).

938 dollars profit, no roulette. Wish I could have gotten this one though.

Ken

PS- might want to check out 777dragoncasino.com also, however I was told on the phone they were not taking any US players, but I didnt even try to dowload the casino. Their bonus is deposit 25 and get a 50 bonus.

Dave Coulier

10-12-2006, 11:50 PM

You do not want to play American Roulette, which is the only one that counts 100% towards W.R. The H.A. on that is alot higher than French Roulette.

1C5

10-12-2006, 11:52 PM

Wait, you just played one hand of Baccarat and then cashed out?

I thought they wouldn;t let you.

The only reason we play 1000s hand of roulette is for the bonus wager requirements before being allowed to cashout. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

1C5

10-12-2006, 11:52 PM

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You do not want to play American Roulette, which is the only one that counts 100% towards W.R. The H.A. on that is alot higher than French Roulette.

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More than twice the HA on French?

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 12:01 AM

Yes its more than twice the HA than french. You can cash out your winnings from bacarrat plus deposit, but you'll forfeit your bonus money. Its up to you how you want to play it.

Ken_AA

10-13-2006, 12:04 AM

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Wait, you just played one hand of Baccarat and then cashed out?

I thought they wouldn;t let you.

The only reason we play 1000s hand of roulette is for the bonus wager requirements before being allowed to cashout. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Ya, you lose the bonus money is all. SO we'll take Jackpot city for example.

Deposited 50, got 100 dollar bonus.

Bet 150 on one hand of bac on the banker, sucked out after being behind on the flop (I really don't know the rules of this game even).

I then had 292.50 (due to the commision) in my account. Went to cashier withdraw 192. Warning comes up that making this cashout will send my bonus balance to 0 and it can not be reversed. Cashed out anyways.

142 profit, plus my 50 dollar deposit back, had time for one more beer tonight.

I figure with the 1.35% HA you lose about 13 bucks pre 1000 wagered. I woulda needed to wager 6600 to finish WR meaning I passed on about 14 dollars of EV by doing this, but
1) I didn't have to play with all these spins, (I woulda thrown down however much per spin to finish it in one run, but it would still have been a pain)

2) I get my cashout in before any banning of US players starts.

It's probably bad for an affiliate to send a bunch of players to a site who do this, so sorry halo7.

Ken

1C5

10-13-2006, 12:05 AM

Ahh, that is what he did, thanks.

It is more +EV to do the bonus though right?

12000 spins of french roulette, house edge is 1.35% so expected loss is $162...

200 bonus - 162 = $38 EV for doing roulette....correct?

1C5

10-13-2006, 12:06 AM

Ok, got it, so give up a litle EV, but save hours of time in some cases.

Eder

10-13-2006, 12:07 AM

I guess HA on FR is less than 2% ... you get half bet back on any 0 so it not bad so is +EV to spin 12000 to clear bonus. I bin martingaling it a bit for fun so actually up $100 or so on roulette....hope no 10 reds in a row...

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 12:09 AM

I dont have the exact numbers, but looks about right IC5. You're making a bit more money by completing your W.R. but in my case French Roulette has been very HIGH variance. Each 3 times I have lost twice as much as expected, so do whatever makes u happy.

1C5

10-13-2006, 12:11 AM

Ok, thx.

Yeah, it has sucked for me recently also.

Bellagibro

10-13-2006, 12:31 AM

Yay went 0/2 on both of these. VegasPalms had me going as I slapped the whole $250 on Baccarat and the player had 7-4 and I had T-2. Player pulled a Ten and I pulled an eight to reduce me to zero.

1C5

10-13-2006, 12:41 AM

Won the baccarat on alljackpots. Now account is 487.50 and I have to decide if I want to play 12000 spins of roulette for $38 in EV or not.

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 12:46 AM

Im down to $310 with 90 left of bonus money to clear. I wish I had cashed out immediately after bacarrat.

Ken_AA

10-13-2006, 12:59 AM

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Im down to $310 with 90 left of bonus money to clear. I wish I had cashed out immediately after bacarrat.

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The funny thin is I would have played BJ for the same amount of time for the same EV, but for some reason any other games at Online casino seems rather sketchy and I try to avoid it. (This coming from the guy who won 7 of 8 coin flips in baccarat)

Maybe sketchy isn't the right word, but frustrating definitly is.

Ken

Jeff_B

10-13-2006, 01:25 AM

[1:14a] Noeline wrote:
Thank you for contacting The Casino Desk. How may I help you?
[1:15a] Jeff B wrote:
Yes I was wondering if i was eligible for the sign up bonus
[1:16a] Noeline wrote:
On which casino?
[1:16a] Jeff B wrote:
vegas palms
[1:17a] Noeline wrote:
One moment.
[1:19a] Noeline wrote:
Yes you can still get the offer.
[1:19a] Noeline wrote:
400% match up to $50!

"Because of previous activity on Bonus Claims within the Fortune Lounge casino group, you have been excluded from receiving any Casino promotions. Please view our Terms and Conditions for further info or contact Support for assistance."

Good job support. Thanks Alot.

Also I asked about what happens if the bill gets signed.
No idea.
[1:23a] Noeline wrote:
Just some states and clamping down on credit Card purchases.

Blah Genius.

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 01:36 AM

So lets see..I pretty much gave up on completing the W.R. when I was 3/4th thru. Why do you ask? Because I was down 274 [censored] dollars. Thats almost 2 and a half times what I was expected to lose thru 4500 wagered.

Thru 4 casinos of doing french roulette I was always losing 2x or greater than my expected loss. I think I would have had better results flipping a two headed quarter and always calling tails instead of playing roulette.

Im always doing what Ken does and immediately cashing out next time. Theres just something seriously wrong with Microgaming software when I constantly lose far greater than I should.

Jeff_B

10-13-2006, 01:41 AM

blah stupid $50 wasted without the ev of bonus. Damn it support.

Halo7

10-13-2006, 01:42 AM

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So lets see..I pretty much gave up on completing the W.R. when I was 3/4th thru. Why do you ask? Because I was down 274 [censored] dollars. Thats almost 2 and a half times what I was expected to lose thru 4500 wagered.

Thru 4 casinos of doing french roulette I was always losing 2x or greater than my expected loss. I think I would have had better results flipping a two headed quarter and always calling tails instead of playing roulette.

Im always doing what Ken does and immediately cashing out next time. Theres just something seriously wrong with Microgaming software when I constantly lose far greater than I should.

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You are obviously picking black when you should be picking red (or vice versa) /images/graemlins/cool.gif Or it could always be RIGGED!

Halo7

Ken_AA

10-13-2006, 01:52 AM

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So lets see..I pretty much gave up on completing the W.R. when I was 3/4th thru. Why do you ask? Because I was down 274 [censored] dollars. Thats almost 2 and a half times what I was expected to lose thru 4500 wagered.

Thru 4 casinos of doing french roulette I was always losing 2x or greater than my expected loss. I think I would have had better results flipping a two headed quarter and always calling tails instead of playing roulette.

Im always doing what Ken does and immediately cashing out next time. Theres just something seriously wrong with Microgaming software when I constantly lose far greater than I should.

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You forgot the part where I sacrifice a live chicken to the variance gods then run laps around my townhouse complex in my boxers swinging my pants over my head and screaming to drown out the groans of my angry wife. The system can not be [censored] with.

Ken

Jago

10-13-2006, 01:54 AM

i just put $1 on black and $1 on red and let autoplay go to work.

as long as you don't get 100 greens in 1000 spins you should be fine /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 01:57 AM

You should also be fine if the Casino doesn't punish you for low-risk bets, but time will tell. One other person has managed to get away with it, maybe you'll get away with it as well.

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 01:59 AM

On a side note: Im assuming you play Halo on Xbox Live Halo7. I want a HU match against you for ever putting me down the path of French Roulette. I must take my anger out on someone.

Let it be known I am calling you out. If you accept, Ill post the results here at a later date.

1C5

10-13-2006, 02:25 AM

I just did the baccarat on Vegas Palms and won it also!!!

2 for 2 in that.

And I got an extra $25 bonus for Netteler there.

So had a $275 roll to play baccarat and won 1 hand of BJ to bring it to $300 to bet on baccarat.

Won that and now have to decide if I want to do the roulette or just cash out my $360 now and skip the bonus...

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 02:27 AM

Cash out the 360. Otherwise Ill be waiting here to say, "I told you so." when u run horribly bad like me /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

1C5

10-13-2006, 02:30 AM

So by my math, to get the $225 bonus, I need 13,500 rolls of french roulette and with the 1.35% edge, I can expect to lose $182.

So 225-182= $43 in EV to do the spins.

Now do I want the variance or not though....will decide at a later time...

So Halo7, would you take the sure $360 here or go for the roulette....is the $43 worth the high variance of roulette?

I know Dave told me to take the money and run...

Ainex

10-13-2006, 02:38 AM

I don't get it...is there a place to put the bonus code in because I don't see it and I wasn't automatically credited.

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 02:41 AM

Go to the mainpage and theres a blue button on the left side that says "Claim your Bonus" just follow the instructions after that. GL

Ainex

10-13-2006, 03:08 AM

CBP recommends RedDog for the lowest HA but I have no idea what that game is or if it really is better than french roulette. Also: Banker wins! 1/1

Jago

10-13-2006, 03:22 AM

[5:17p] Noeline wrote:
You can only claim the Neteller bonus on your first purchase after making a second purchase.

this can't be right, can it?

[5:18p] Jason wrote:
can you show me the terms and condition where it says that please?
[5:20p] Noeline wrote:
Let me check.
[5:24p] Noeline wrote:
It is not in the Terms and Condition.
[5:24p] Noeline wrote:
It is just the procedure.

(vegas palms)

although support is going to manually add the bonus, so that's something at least.

froggy527

10-13-2006, 03:53 AM

The French Roulette killed me!!! Wish I would have just
doubled up and cashed out!

Dave Coulier

10-13-2006, 03:56 AM

The curse of French Roulette strikes again! Seriously Halo7 you should kill the guy who suggested every FR or just kill yourself for spreading it to everyone in the forum /images/graemlins/smile.gif. Its the worst game ever created.

Escape

10-13-2006, 04:38 AM

BUSTO:(

raise4value

10-13-2006, 07:13 AM

30$ net loss from cash balance from FR, but who cares, i'm up 5/6 baccarat bets =)
variance sucks

1C5

10-13-2006, 09:34 AM

Yeah FR is gay. I will just cash out my $360, decision has been made.

It is so stupid. I have done it 5 times now and got smoked way worse than 1.35% edge everytime.

acewan

10-13-2006, 09:47 AM

I'm getting "Service unavailable" when clicking the Claim your bonus -link.

edit: never mind, it's working now

MadMat

10-13-2006, 10:25 AM

am I the only one to have an above EV result with French Roulette ?

Cashed out $374 at vegas palms!! (about $50 above EV)

Seriously guys - EVEN is the way to go, Black and red are rigged!

/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Mat

EdmVan

10-13-2006, 01:03 PM

ok im 0/5 with these bonuses so far.....

EdmVan

10-13-2006, 04:11 PM

0/6

Escape

10-14-2006, 03:31 AM

1/4. Time to grind it out with FRENSCH ROULETOO GOGOGO GAMBLOL

grando

10-14-2006, 05:30 AM

BAM SHIP IT

$50 for $200 bonus = $250 total

$250 on banker - A-T vs T-3 player hits 4 bank gets 5 SHIP IT 487.50

but wait - I don't wanna play french roulette - I'll play some $1 pontoon for fun then withdraw my cash

but wait again! if I'm just going to withdraw my cash balance I may as well have my 50% chance of doubling up again using the bonus (100% chance of 287.50 or 50% chance of ~$735 hmmmmm tough choice)

bet on bank again - player 2-3 vs bank A-K suited

player pulls Q bank pulls....5/images/graemlins/spade.gif FLUSH OMG AND THE SUCKOUT! PASS THE SUGAH!

grando

10-14-2006, 06:08 AM

and now I decide to grind the roulette cause I don't want hassle withdrawing....

grando

10-14-2006, 07:28 AM

BEAT they did it in Canadian dollars WTF?!? this is the first time I've ever had that done (my NETeller account is in USD)

what a joke GG NETeller 1.9% exchange rate fee I didn't want that 20 bucks anyways

Dave Coulier

10-14-2006, 08:05 AM

You wont get any hassle withdrawing without completing W.R. Ive done it and they didn't give me any trouble.

grando

10-14-2006, 08:41 AM

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You wont get any hassle withdrawing without completing W.R. Ive done it and they didn't give me any trouble.

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yeah I did 2/3 of it and was ahead so I stopped with 70 bucks left

Leobzook

10-14-2006, 08:43 AM

I have no clue how to play baccarat. do I just bet the $250 , flip a coin and choose player or dealer?

Dave Coulier

10-14-2006, 08:45 AM

Make your bet size $250. Then click the banker button. You're pretty much flipping a coin, but you just have a slightly greater chance of winning choosing banker.

Eder

10-14-2006, 12:10 PM

I am considering turning baccarat pro....6/9 so far. Yes, my sample size is small but I really feel like the best player at the table.

Directrix

10-15-2006, 12:06 AM

Wow, they locked my account and I didn't even do anything besides play 2 hands of baccarat. I didn't even attempt to cash-out or anything.

Where does it say in their T&C that they can steal my deposit when I didn't do anything besides deposit money and PLAY their [censored] games. [censored].

koolsavas

10-15-2006, 01:38 AM

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Seriously guys - EVEN is the way to go, Black and red are rigged!

Mat

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do all outside bets get half back on a zero? i thought maybe it was only red/black that refunds on 0. anyone?

also, technically 0 is an even number!?! maybe you got paid when zero comes up? lol

addendum: just wondering, since betting both sides (or betting for your money back against 0) is what would be deemed low-risk, how about if you made bets on, say, even+odd+low+high+black and not on red? it would still have variance proper but would clear 5 in wr to lose only one (barring a 0, of course).

the zero is where they make the money anyway, and they get to take five bets from you if one was betting how i described every time 0 spun vs a single bet. if no bonus wr was involved they would let you bet both sides all day long.