No Online Satellites to WSOP?

[Shorty35]

I heard on the ESPN podcast by Phil Gordon that Harrah's is not going to accept any third party registrations to the WSOP next year. Obviously, this would have a HUGE (and disastrous) impact on field size.

Has anyone else heard this?

[bugstud]

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I heard on the ESPN podcast by Phil Gordon that Harrah's is not going to accept any third party registrations to the WSOP next year. Obviously, this would have a HUGE (and disastrous) impact on field size.

Has anyone else heard this?

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The rock you live under must be mighty large.

[Shorty35]

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I heard on the ESPN podcast by Phil Gordon that Harrah's is not going to accept any third party registrations to the WSOP next year. Obviously, this would have a HUGE (and disastrous) impact on field size.

Has anyone else heard this?

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The rock you live under must be mighty large.

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Ill take that as a yes. Are you just cranky because you have now lost your chance to even up from last year's effort?

Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute...

Does "third party" include satellites won at other casinos?

Jesus, there's going to be like 64 people playing the Main Event this year (perhaps my best chance to finally become world champion).

[NHFunkii]

you mean the ESPN podcast that was live during the final table? The gambling ban wasn't even an issue then, so why would that ever be the case? I don't buy it.

I think (read: have to assume) that he means another podcast.

[Nez477]

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I heard on the ESPN podcast by Phil Gordon that Harrah's is not going to accept any third party registrations to the WSOP next year. Obviously, this would have a HUGE (and disastrous) impact on field size.

Has anyone else heard this?

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There is no way this is the case, right? I mean, in the literal sense? Without satellites from online andn other casinos, harrahs would lose like 5 million dollarsish.

[Shorty35]

The weekly ESPN poker edge podcast for this week. It was an offhand comment by Phil Gordon.

Doesn't really makie sense that they would not accept from other casinos. That's like no longer selling apples because of the E. coli in spinach .................................................. ...... or something.

[Shorty35]

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Doesn't really makie sense that they would not accept from other casinos. That's like no longer selling apples because of the E. coli in spinach .................................................. ...... or something.

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Agreed. The comment was made in the context of the impact of the UIGA on live events. But it was not clear (1) whether the Harrah's decision was linked to the legislation or (2) what the scope of their policy change was.

[mornelth]

What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

[JP OSU]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

[Shorty35]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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Yes - this is the big issue, if the policy has in fact been changed. In addition to meaningfully reducing field size (as if the uiga didnt do enough already), this will most assuredly increase the level of play.

[mornelth]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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lol... not even close...

[mornelth]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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Yes - this is the big issue, if the policy has in fact been changed. In addition to meaningfully reducing field size (as if the uiga didnt do enough already), this will most assuredly increase the level of play.

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Hmmmm You do have a point.

[JP OSU]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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lol... not even close...

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Whatever... I have no idea about that stuff, plus real estate is cheap where i live... you get my point though.

[holla-at-yoboy]

Does anyone know what they're gonna do about previously won seats?

For example, I'm 18 and won my 09 wsop seat earlier this year. Any ideas of what will happen to this seat?

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Does anyone know what they're gonna do about previously won seats?

For example, I'm 18 and won my 09 wsop seat earlier this year. Any ideas of what will happen to this seat?

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I'd say this depends on the site. Most, I would assume, would just refund the money (which you could in turn use to buy in anyway). I could definitely see some smaller, shady sites (not to mention Party Poker) just saying "bummer" and moving on.

[holla-at-yoboy]

Oh sry, it was on stars (thank god)

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Oh sry, it was on stars (thank god)

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If their track record is any indication, then you should be fine. You might even get an apology bonus of some sort (that would be very Stars).

Jurollo would know more than me though since he works for them.

edit: Now that I think about it, you'll almost certainly just get $11K in T$.

[dave6]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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What would stop them from doing something like this:

$250 MTT with $280 rake
One $10k cash prize awarded for every $10k in the prize pool
An additional $10k will be credited to each winner's account, but only if they enter the WSOP

(in other words, a 500+30 WSOP satellite where the winners get $10k in spending money)

[JuntMonkey]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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What would stop them from doing something like this:

$250 MTT with $280 rake
One $10k cash prize awarded for every $10k in the prize pool
An additional $10k will be credited to each winner's account, but only if they enter the WSOP

(in other words, a 500+30 WSOP satellite where the winners get $10k in spending money)

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This isn't a terrible idea at all.

I really, really hope that the whole thing isn't true though. Could Harrah's be so stupid?

[Lawman007]

Here is an e-mail from Full Tilt. They will no longer be allowing their players to satellite directly into the WSOP or any other US tournament. I suspect that any other site that chooses to break the law by allowing US players to play there will do the same thing as Full Tilt. We'll probably be looking at pre-Moneymaker numbers in the Main Event next year. What a shame.

"Unfortunately due to the upcoming change in legislation Full Tilt Poker
will no longer be able to satellite US residents into live tournaments in
US. This policy will be effective immediately. There are currently 3
options that you have with your winner?s choice package.


1. We can credit your account with the $10K buy in. This money would be
yours to do with what you please. We will also send you a full assortment
of Full Tilt Poker gear and accessories.

2. You can choose to attend the WPT $10K tournament at the Falls View
Casino in Niagara Falls, Canada. This event starts on the 24th of Oct and
we would need to know by this Wednesday, the 11th if you would like to
play in this tournament.

3. You can choose to attend the Dublin All-Star Tournament in Dublin,
Ireland. This tournament begins on the 17th of Nov. The prize package
for this event is $8K so in addition to the $2k that you have already
received and the entry into the tournament, you would be credited another
$6K for travel expenses and spending money.


We are extremely sorry for this inconvenience and we hope that you can
understand the position that we have been put in because of the current
legal situation.

Please feel free to respond with any questions you may have along with
your decision about what you want to do with your prize package.

Thank you,

Team Full Tilt"

[StrayBullet]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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lol... not even close...

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Mine's close at only $632/mo /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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1. We can credit your account with the $10K buy in. This money would be
yours to do with what you please. We will also send you a full assortment
of Full Tilt Poker gear and accessories.


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Aren't the Winner's Choice packages worth $12K?

[PanRains]

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Aren't the Winner's Choice packages worth $12K?

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Yep, but when I won and chose to play at the Borgate Ainter POker Open, they immediately put 2K in my FT account, and then bought me in for the other 10K. I assume that'd be the same situation. Say you won like two weeks ago, and were still deciding between (I don't know) Foxwoods and Bellagio. 2K of your 12K is already in your account; you can then use that 10K to buy in to Niagara or Dublin or just put in your account.

[NHFunkii]

wow, wtf. well hey, if stars wants to hook me up with a pca package instead of my 2008 wsop package, that would be sweet.

[elliot]

THIS is the end of online poker

when the WSOP/WPT attendance dies, so will the influx of new players

un-[censored] real.

[Lloyd]

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I suspect that any other site that chooses to break the law by allowing US players to play there will do the same thing as Full Tilt.

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Isn't that a bit misleading?

[brendanb438]

Anyone know out of the 8773 players in the 06 Main Event how many qualified online and rough numbers for how many qed from say Party or Stars? I saw stats on this a couple months ago but I can't find it at all.

Thanks,
Brendan

[smashoneout]

A google search brings up 50% qualified online. 20% from PokerStars (1600 players). Is that accurate?

[Mr.JR]

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A google search brings up 50% qualified online. 20% from PokerStars (1600 players). Is that accurate?

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Close to it:

"With hundreds of online sites sending people to the WSOP main event this year, it’s impossible to know exactly how many people qualified online. Not even Nolan Dalla, the media director and all around information man for the WSOP, knows the exact number of players who got in by playing online poker.

It’s safe to say that more than 4,400 players who played in this year’s main event got in it by playing online poker. To put it into perspective, that number is only 1,219 less than the total number of players in last year’s main event, and dominates the 2004 figure of 2,576 players.
PokerStars, where the last three WSOP main event champions happened to qualify, has the most qualifiers in this year’s event, with a little more than 1,650. PartyPoker is next with 1,023 qualifiers. Full Tilt qualified 423 players, Bodog qualified 396, Paradise Poker qualified 298, Ultimate Bet qualified 230, Ladbrokes qualified 95, and Pacific qualified about 150."

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/article/2937

[Kevmath]

Harrah's clarified their position on 3rd party registrations for the 2007 WSOP on CardPlayer, found here. (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/article/3326)

[SossMan]

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What's to stop the sites from running the same satellites and GIVING YOU CASH once you win the "seat"?...

Lol cashoutallites....

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That would be just the same as saying that You want to win 10k in ring games to pay for your main event buyin... Problem is, once you actually have the money you don't really wanna shell out 10k for such a huge variance event... Also, Guys with families and stuff, the wife would be ok w/ you winning your seat and playing in the ME, b/c once u have a seat there's no choice, but she is not gonna be too happy about you throwing a year or two worth of mortgage payments on a donkament.

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lol... not even close...

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i was gonna do a FYP and change it to a years worth of property tax payments. sad, but true. sad....but FKING TRUE.

[ed8383]

Like I predicted a week + ago, PHIL HELLMUTH TO WIN WSOP MAIN EVENT IN IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If the numbers do go back to pre-moneymaker levels

[StrayBullet]

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Harrah's clarified their position on 3rd party registrations for the 2007 WSOP on CardPlayer, found here. (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/article/3326)

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Doesn't sound like much has changed from the aspect of online sats, that and they estimate that 1/2 of the '06 ME entries came from online sats....

[tourney guy]

One has to look at context.

1) Harrah's operates with fear of IRS audit as it relates to the W2G situation. This motivates them to give the winners of over $600 a W2G.

2) HET is among the worst companies for customer service in poker.

3) HET loves the juice from online players because they are not very demanding in terms of comps, room rates, etc.

If there was a way to accept 3rd party registration, HET would do it. My guess is that the inherent fear they have, and their penchant to error on the side of extreme caution (IRS example) leads me to believe that unless HET knows you did not win a seat online (i.e. WSOP licenced satellite, as Gary Thompson eludes to), you better register in person.

I think next year's main event dips to 2,500.

[smashoneout]

Maybe it won't be such a marathon this time, the average player won't have to win so many races and suckouts, and pure skill will be more of a factor.

[betgo]

Harrahs has live satellites at their other casinos. I am sure there will be an increase live satellite entries. However, less online fish may reduce entries by decent players who are not top pros. Still, I think it will be more than 2500.

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PokerStars, where the last three WSOP main event champions happened to qualify, has the most qualifiers in this year’s event, with a little more than 1,650. PartyPoker is next with 1,023 qualifiers. Full Tilt qualified 423 players, Bodog qualified 396, Paradise Poker qualified 298, Ultimate Bet qualified 230, Ladbrokes qualified 95, and Pacific qualified about 150."

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I know you didn't write the above quote, but there is an inaccuracy in it, I believe.

Hachem played on Stars, but did not sattelite in through them. He did it B&M from what I've read. He signed on with Pokerstars after the ME 2005 FWIR.

[CaseS87]

holy crap, ill take the under please.

[dlk9s]

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PokerStars, where the last three WSOP main event champions happened to qualify, has the most qualifiers in this year’s event, with a little more than 1,650. PartyPoker is next with 1,023 qualifiers. Full Tilt qualified 423 players, Bodog qualified 396, Paradise Poker qualified 298, Ultimate Bet qualified 230, Ladbrokes qualified 95, and Pacific qualified about 150."

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I know you didn't write the above quote, but there is an inaccuracy in it, I believe.

Hachem played on Stars, but did not sattelite in through them. He did it B&M from what I've read. He signed on with Pokerstars after the ME 2005 FWIR.

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Hachem put up $10K to play in the ME that he won.