Black Jack Rules

[Thremp]

What's a good set-up you're looking for when finding a black jack game to play as an advantage player?

I'm young and don't have a big bankroll, but the local game looks like it's just nasty.

6 deck shoe. Deal goes 70-80% through the shoe. Dealer stands on all 17s and payout is 3:2 on blackjack. It seems like there aren't any other strange rules. You can jump in and out at any time and bet spread is 5-15min with a 2500 max. Is this a good structure?

[Ron Burgundy]

You're time would be better spent bonus whoring online casinos.

[Annorax]

If you can't whore online casinos for some reason, this is definitely not the worst game out there.

[SheetWise]

Other than the penetration, that's as good as the game gets.

[ssomega]

Try back counting and just flat bet if you dont have a large bankroll, or dont play at all if its money you cant afford to lose. You should never play a hand at a disadvantage if you dont have to. Also, dont overlook shuffle tracking. Do they have a trackable shuffle?

[Thremp]

I'm mostly a poker player, but would like to play blackjack at an advantage to clear some comps etc. And mostly for a change of pace. Within the next few weeks I will start online whoring. I have ordered a copy of the Stanford Wong blackjack book.

I don't know what a trackable shuffle is or penetration. What do those mean?

I thought this game was pretty good, which is why I looked into it. I have friends who play BJ. So I figured I could railbird and jump in when the count goes good. I do understand it takes thousands of hands to coverge to the 50.5-49.5 advantage you have... But I'm willing to wait it out.

If anyone wants to explain some of the nuances to me. I'm more than willing to listen so I don't get backed off within 10 minutes.

[edfurlong]

I'm pretty sure the not having a big bankroll takes you out of the game.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[SheetWise]

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5-15min with a 2500 max.

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If I came across this game, here's my quick and dirty analysis. I need at least a 10-1 spread -- which is near to impossible without playing/holding three colors. I will always bet at least two colors. I'll play with 200+ top bets. I want my bottom bet to be at least $30, but bottom bet will average $50. BR = $100K. I will always parlay a winning hand on a + count. I will always put everything in low color on top of my current bet. I will keep an accurate count, drink, talk to the casino hosts, watch the waitresses ass, engage in table talk, play perfectly, laugh and smile when I win, blame the gods when I lose, and leave when I please.

[CORed]

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What's a good set-up you're looking for when finding a black jack game to play as an advantage player?

I'm young and don't have a big bankroll, but the local game looks like it's just nasty.

6 deck shoe. Deal goes 70-80% through the shoe. Dealer stands on all 17s and payout is 3:2 on blackjack. It seems like there aren't any other strange rules. You can jump in and out at any time and bet spread is 5-15min with a 2500 max. Is this a good structure?

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The three most important things for an advantage blackjack player to look for are penetration, penetration and penetration.

[Thremp]

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What's a good set-up you're looking for when finding a black jack game to play as an advantage player?

I'm young and don't have a big bankroll, but the local game looks like it's just nasty.

6 deck shoe. Deal goes 70-80% through the shoe. Dealer stands on all 17s and payout is 3:2 on blackjack. It seems like there aren't any other strange rules. You can jump in and out at any time and bet spread is 5-15min with a 2500 max. Is this a good structure?

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The three most important things for an advantage blackjack player to look for are penetration, penetration and penetration.

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This is standard rules with good penetration, right?

[craig]

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What's a good set-up you're looking for when finding a black jack game to play as an advantage player?

I'm young and don't have a big bankroll, but the local game looks like it's just nasty.

6 deck shoe. Deal goes 70-80% through the shoe. Dealer stands on all 17s and payout is 3:2 on blackjack. It seems like there aren't any other strange rules. You can jump in and out at any time and bet spread is 5-15min with a 2500 max. Is this a good structure?

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The three most important things for an advantage blackjack player to look for are penetration, penetration and penetration.

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This is standard rules with good penetration, right?

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Couldn't we add surrender and DAS?

craig

[Annorax]

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What's a good set-up you're looking for when finding a black jack game to play as an advantage player?

I'm young and don't have a big bankroll, but the local game looks like it's just nasty.

6 deck shoe. Deal goes 70-80% through the shoe. Dealer stands on all 17s and payout is 3:2 on blackjack. It seems like there aren't any other strange rules. You can jump in and out at any time and bet spread is 5-15min with a 2500 max. Is this a good structure?

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The three most important things for an advantage blackjack player to look for are penetration, penetration and penetration.

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This is standard rules with good penetration, right?

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Couldn't we add surrender and DAS?

craig

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IIRC DAS is standard, surrender is not. All the casinos around here have the OP's rules plus DAS and no surrender. I'm guessing they're a fairly good indication of what non-Vegas BJ is like.

[CORed]

Favorable rules (Surrender, S17, DAS) are, of course good, but, if you're counting cards, good penetration, if you can find it, is more important. The deeper the penetration, the more often you will have a significant advantage, and the lower the probability that the high cards giving you a favorable count will be under the cut card. For factors other than penetration, number of decks (fewer being better, of course) would be ahead of favorable rules. OTOH, single and double deck games are often watched very closely, and you are more likely to get an early shuffle in a handheld game than a shoe.