anyone else just sitting awake and stressing out

[geormiet]

and feeling completely helpless?

[billyjex]

the alcohol helps

[gila]

I imagine so.

[Our House]

[ QUOTE ]
the tobacco helps

[/ QUOTE ]

[Corpsebean]

I just opened the board for the first time today. I seriously feel like I just got kicked in the nuts, I feel like crying.

God I hate Rebublicans, Christians, and Fristans.

[SharpObject]

This guy :-/

[Mark L]

nazis

[Peter666]

No, but I'm Canadian.

[elffaw]

yes

[suzzer99]

I'm watching te WCOOP stressing out. Not much fun with this looming over.

[dangerous_badman]

[ QUOTE ]
anyone else just sitting awake and stressing out

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes

[ QUOTE ]
the alcohol helps

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes

[aba20]

[ QUOTE ]
yes

[/ QUOTE ]

[Viscant]

Pretty much. I'm basically waiting until 3 Pacific for Neteller to come back and transfer money out while I wait for what happens next.
A little Bach is keeping me company but...it's basically a somber day right now. Tomorrow I'm going to sleep the day off and start checking online listings for a new job. What a night.

[Kedu]

N/m

[Leader]

Pretty much. I'm going to stop though. Maybe read another chapter on how to become a millionaire on ebay. lol ebay is the new Party for me how ironic.

[SkandarAkbar]

yeah i'm kinda bummed and I live in Vegas I really feel for the guy sitting in Iowa, how could you not drink yourself silly in a cornfield with no gambino.

[heater]

[censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored]

[Jooka]

playing on pokerstars trying to cash out every so often, keep gettting denied as neteller isnt available at this time. for like an hour now.

[RikaKazak]

I wanna cry /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[deucegame]

[ QUOTE ]
the alcohol helps

[/ QUOTE ]

[MikeyPatriot]

Been refreshing Legislation for the past 3 hours. Kinda hitting a wall though. Will probably sleep soon. Check/calling tonight and re-evaluating in the morning.

[New001]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't starting to stress out, but that's more because I'm jobless and I really don't want this to end even if that's still unlikely at this point.

The Beatles are keeping me company though. And Captain Morgan.

[latefordinner]

I sit awake and feel helpless when the US bombs the [censored] out of innocent civilians. This, eh, give it a month to shake out, the genie is already out of the bottle wrt internet gambling

[MyTurn2Raise]

I am...I live over 2 hours from the nearest B&M cardroom and do not really want to move

I now understand how those that want to bring down the government get to that point

[Python49]

Im sitting here refreshing all the threads hoping theres some small chance a shred of good news will be posted. This is hopeless, should just go to sleep soon, I had 2 exams to study for tonight and obv didnt study for either with recent news.

[chicagoY]

Yep.

[dibbs]

geormiet,

I am depressed, but not feeling completely helpless. I have however downed more Henny shots than I can count, taken a few percs and valiums, and finishing off a bottle of sauvignon, and yea its 5am on a monday here.

While things look very bleak, there is still hope, some non pubicly traded sites that see a financial oppurtunity that outweighs the possible risks, will find ways to setup easy loopholes for casual players, create a player base, and capitalize on the fact they may be one of the few with balls to put things out there. I know the guys who wrote the bill that frist past are no idiots, and planned for many loopholes, but there is almost positively something to take advantage on, and we'll just see what happens.

Its too early to tell, and while we ourselves may be
'helpless', hopeless we probably are not.

I would not be surprised if I was quickly corrected in my error on this here by someone with much more knowledge than I.

[jap613]

been stressing for the past 2 or 3 hours
im watching the scoop and i feel like telling lee to savor his last time commenting on a big tourney.. or something more witty than that

[chicagoY]

I keep thinking that if Netteller goes under I won't even have a roll to play live with.

[Ron Burgundy]

[ QUOTE ]
Pretty much. I'm going to stop though. Maybe read another chapter on how to become a millionaire on ebay. lol ebay is the new Party for me how ironic.

[/ QUOTE ]

NOOO! Ebay is the enemy!!!

[iggymcfly]

F*ck no. I'm putting in as long of a session on Party as I possibly can before I cash it all out tomorrow. I was freaking out at first, but I'm actually calming down a little bit now. I kinda wanted to move to Vegas anyway, and this certainly gives me the impetus to do it.

[daveymck]

I just woke up read this walked to work (getting wet in the rain) found they system is down so cant do any work, so now reading all this depressing news all day.

Think poker is now going to be a more backseat hobby for me now rather than a way of supporting myself between contracts. I am an average SSNL player so dont see myself moving up the limits without US players so may well go back to playing donkaments only.

[heater]

[ QUOTE ]
I sit awake and feel helpless when the US bombs the [censored] out of innocent civilians. This, eh, give it a month to shake out, the genie is already out of the bottle wrt internet gambling

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay Prahlad.

[Leader]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Pretty much. I'm going to stop though. Maybe read another chapter on how to become a millionaire on ebay. lol ebay is the new Party for me how ironic.

[/ QUOTE ]

NOOO! Ebay is the enemy!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

I know /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Jdanz]

[ QUOTE ]
I sit awake and feel helpless when the US bombs the [censored] out of innocent civilians. This, eh, give it a month to shake out, the genie is already out of the bottle wrt internet gambling

[/ QUOTE ]

perspective.







(i'm agreeing(sp?) with the guy i'm quoting if that's unclear)

[PairTheBoard]

I'm up. There goes my supplemental retirement income. And according to 60 minutes tonight, when I become old broke and homeless I can look forward to the latest fashion of being beaten to death by rich bored teenagers.

PairTheBoard

[syncmaster]

Yes this really sucks and I can't sleep. I only have a part time job besides this and my weekend poker income is more than 2 weeks pay. Also B&M play is out of the question for at least a few months. Even then I hear game selection sucks ass.

On the bright side I finally get to see how much my bankroll really is after doing a bunch of cashouts/affalite payments.

[Chrysiptera]

I can't sleep either.. Just keep looking around finding more bad news..

I did start a WSEX account, but that isn't much consolation.

[john voight]

poker stocks crashing. come and watch

stocks (http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1885577,00.html)

[dibbs]

[ QUOTE ]
I wanna cry /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I admit I was bawling my eyes out saturday morning. I truly see life as more than money and realize in the grand scheme of things this thing we are going through is all [censored], their are things in life I value much much more than poker income. But I, being someone who always wanted to achieve one of the higher possible bb/100s before moving up, was slow in the process of gaining profit, and while I have saved up a decent amount of money, was currently at the point where I had a plan of making a very significant amount of money over the next few years, and putting that into savings that with my regular job would give me a great amount of security in my life, which is close to shot now. My friends dont understand why Ive been depressed and vomitting over this the past few days, but its more than about money, its about freedom for me and not having to work for "the man" and giving myself plenty of time to put into my true passion, writing.

I know that in the end everything will figure itself out, and things will be ok, but this is a very, very serious pain to me.

I imagine many of you feel the same, and while I emphasize putting x amount of hours in front of the front of a computer is a total joke compared to so many things in life that really matter, the loss many of us have(may) suffer is a great one.

And yea Im wasted right now so Im not going to spell cehck this,

[whiteladder81]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
yes

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought the guinness would help but it's not /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[chicagoY]

All of our legislators cared more about going on vacation than standing up to this nonsense.

[dibbs]

[ QUOTE ]
I keep thinking that if Netteller goes under I won't even have a roll to play live with.

[/ QUOTE ]

As many have stated, if you are thinking Neteller is going to not give you your money, you are fortunately wrong.

[john voight]

also, you will be able to gamble in USA I think. (if the room allows you to).

Usually evidence in court only holds up when it is properly collected (like cop sees you running away from him, therfore he searches you)

scanning your online activities is prolly legal (patriot acts) however, b/c they are scanning for homeland security reasons, the evidence the find can only be apliccable to crimes realting to homeland security. otherwise it is dismissed. kind of like illegal porn etc...

[EgoSlasher]

Yeah I am, no beer but have a few percs left over from my wisdom teeth removal, was saving them for a rainy day.

[Fhil Ivey]

is there any possibiliy that neteller won't give what they owe to people?

[goodguy_1]

Bahamas here I come.

[Phil153]

[ QUOTE ]
and feeling completely helpless?

[/ QUOTE ]
Wow, you might have to get a job and do something useful with your life. The horror!

[dibbs]

[ QUOTE ]
is there any possibiliy that neteller won't give what they owe to people?

[/ QUOTE ]

Close to [censored] nil.

[ubercuber]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I wanna cry /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I admit I was bawling my eyes out saturday morning. I truly see life as more than money and realize in the grand scheme of things this thing we are going through is all [censored], their are things in life I value much much more than poker income. But I, being someone who always wanted to achieve one of the higher possible bb/100s before moving up, was slow in the process of gaining profit, and while I have saved up a decent amount of money, was currently at the point where I had a plan of making a very significant amount of money over the next few years, and putting that into savings that with my regular job would give me a great amount of security in my life, which is close to shot now. My friends dont understand why Ive been depressed and vomitting over this the past few days, but its more than about money, its about freedom for me and not having to work for "the man" and giving myself plenty of time to put into my true passion, writing.

I know that in the end everything will figure itself out, and things will be ok, but this is a very, very serious pain to me.

I imagine many of you feel the same, and while I emphasize putting x amount of hours in front of the front of a computer is a total joke compared to so many things in life that really matter, the loss many of us have(may) suffer is a great one.

And yea Im wasted right now so Im not going to spell cehck this,

[/ QUOTE ]

This sums it up for me pretty well, right down to the wasted part. Tequila, the rest of my Cuervo Tradicional, and the rest of my Hornitos, and a few Summit Pale Ale...mixed with sleeping pills of course. Standard. Damn I no longer have a need for agression as an excuse to drink daily.


Oh Canada...

Go Twins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[twoblacknines]

I am playing on party right now and it feels like the last supper before execution. I'll probably tilt my roll off before i get the chance to cash out.

[EgoSlasher]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
and feeling completely helpless?

[/ QUOTE ]
Wow, you might have to get a job and do something useful with your life. The horror!

[/ QUOTE ]


wow, you're really an ass. This is effecting people's lives in a very significant way.

[ubercuber]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah I am, no beer but have a few percs left over from my wisdom teeth removal, was saving them for a rainy day.

[/ QUOTE ]

Shame, they are Sooo much better with beer.

[db9db9db9]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I keep thinking that if Netteller goes under I won't even have a roll to play live with.

[/ QUOTE ]

As many have stated, if you are thinking Neteller is going to not give you your money, you are fortunately wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

Are we so sure of this? If you're sure of this, were you sure that Interpoker and Pacific and PokerStars and PartyPoker would ban American players?

Is anybody that sure of anything right now? This seems to be a whole new world.

[bluey]

[ QUOTE ]
I am playing on party right now and it feels like the last supper before execution. I'll probably tilt my roll off before i get the chance to cash out.

[/ QUOTE ]

hey me too...was thinking about sitting at 25/50 nl games

[PokerBob]

i'm not stressed, but i'm not thrilled either. i have no job. i could likely get a job, but i don't want a job. this blows.

[ubercuber]

Yeah before anyone gets too calous, remember that change is very stressful for many poeple and change in source of income is way up there, add in loss of personal freedom, and complete lack of control, and...well Frist sucks. Sucks for ruining the incomes of those that helped me make gobs of $$$ part time. I feel for you full timers, no go KICK ASS LIVE!!

[aramfingal]

[ QUOTE ]
poker stocks crashing. come and watch

stocks (http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1885577,00.html)

[/ QUOTE ]

"{Garber} stressed that PartyGaming has a "substantial" business outside the US"

kinda like jack daniels saying "hey we don't only make whiskey you know, we also make mustard."

[Phil153]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
and feeling completely helpless?

[/ QUOTE ]
Wow, you might have to get a job and do something useful with your life. The horror!

[/ QUOTE ]
wow, you're really an ass. This is effecting people's lives in a very significant way.

[/ QUOTE ]
Poker was always a free ride that could dry up at any time. It's not like this happened overnight, this has been in the works for a long time. It was only a question of timing. There was a similar scare some months ago, and everyone freaked out. Not many of them found jobs though or started preparing for this likelihood.

The fact is that if you have no other income except poker, you're worthless freeloading scum and you deserve the worst of everything that's coming to you.

Take it as a valuable lesson of not putting all your eggs in one basket.

[aramfingal]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
and feeling completely helpless?

[/ QUOTE ]
Wow, you might have to get a job and do something useful with your life. The horror!

[/ QUOTE ]
can you give me an apporoximate percentage of how many americans have jobs that qualify as "doing something useful with your life?"

[SammyKid11]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
and feeling completely helpless?

[/ QUOTE ]
Wow, you might have to get a job and do something useful with your life. The horror!

[/ QUOTE ]
wow, you're really an ass. This is effecting people's lives in a very significant way.

[/ QUOTE ]
Poker was always a free ride that could dry up at any time. It's not like this happened overnight, this has been in the works for a long time. It was only a question of timing. There was a similar scare some months ago, and everyone freaked out. Not many of them found jobs though or started preparing for this likelihood.

The fact is that if you have no other income except poker, you're worthless freeloading scum and you deserve the worst of everything that's coming to you.

Take it as a valuable lesson of not putting all your eggs in one basket.

[/ QUOTE ]

Rot.

[Phil153]

This isn't the place for this debate, but providing anything that requires work and that other people use is what I meant. You know the keyboard you're typing on? That's someone's work. The pizza you ate? Someone's work. The road you drive on? Someone's work. The fact that you can read and write? Someone's work. You get the idea. Someone actually had to spend their valuable time making the stuff that others use. If you don't do anything except sitting on your ass clicking buttons to take money off others, you're the definition of worthless.

So to answer your question, 100% minus whatever the unemployment rate is.

[00Snitch]

[ QUOTE ]

Billions of pounds were wiped from the stock market value of Britain's online gaming sector today amid carnage in the wake of the shock weekend move by the US authorities to outlaw internet gambling


[/ QUOTE ]
thats a nice quote right there from http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1885577,00.html, way to write it up! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JDalla]

I really just want someone to kill Bill Frist.

I can't 4 table 6 max in any casino on Earth, Mars or Pluto.


Maybe I'll spend my days grinding out $25/hour in Vegas... WOO.

[Jeffage]

I am and I have to go to work. Going to make a nice cashout first.

Jeff

[heater]

[ QUOTE ]
This isn't the place for this debate, but providing anything that requires work and that other people use is what I meant. You know the keyboard you're typing on? That's someone's work. The pizza you ate? Someone's work. The road you drive on? Someone's work. The fact that you can read and write? Someone's work. You get the idea. Someone actually had to spend their valuable time making the stuff that others use. If you don't do anything except sitting on your ass clicking buttons to take money off others, you're the definition of worthless.

So to answer your question, 100% minus whatever the unemployment rate is.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm sure for a lot of us poker is a means to an end. It is an opportunity to make a lot of money and there is nothing wrong with taking a couple years off from the noble work of making keyboards, delivering pizza, or paving roads in order to earn potentially life changing money.

I never planned to play poker for a living for the next 50 years. I don't know if it's over yet (it probably isn't) but we all knew the possibility was there for this to happen. A lot of people's lives are affected by this and you really are quite a self-righteous [censored] to mock people for being disappointed that this has happened.

[Ron Burgundy]

[ QUOTE ]
This isn't the place for this debate, but providing anything that requires work and that other people use is what I meant. You know the keyboard you're typing on? That's someone's work. The pizza you ate? Someone's work. The road you drive on? Someone's work. The fact that you can read and write? Someone's work. You get the idea. Someone actually had to spend their valuable time making the stuff that others use. If you don't do anything except sitting on your ass clicking buttons to take money off others, you're the definition of worthless.

So to answer your question, 100% minus whatever the unemployment rate is.

[/ QUOTE ]

WTF are you doing on this forum? Shouldn't you be making a donation to Frist's presidential campagin right now?

[iggymcfly]

Phil doesn't oppose playing poker, just winning at it. LOL.

Bitter fishies are having a field day.

[LearnedfromTV]

[ QUOTE ]
i'm not stressed, but i'm not thrilled either. i have no job. i could likely get a job, but i don't want a job. this blows.

[/ QUOTE ]

[Phil153]

I play a poker too and I hate the legislation also.

But I don't pretend that poker is good for society. Numerous studies show online gaming is very detrimental, no one really debates it. I also don't feel much sympathy for those who were too short sighted to realize that poker was never a very certain way of earning an income. Poker players have no "right" to earn an income from this game. Poker is not a job and never was. It was a backdoor into some easy money. Those that didn't realize that are now feeling the sting.

[Don_Keehaawtee]

[ QUOTE ]
Poker was always a free ride that could dry up at any time. It's not like this happened overnight, this has been in the works for a long time. It was only a question of timing. There was a similar scare some months ago, and everyone freaked out. Not many of them found jobs though or started preparing for this likelihood.

The fact is that if you have no other income except poker, you're worthless freeloading scum and you deserve the worst of everything that's coming to you.

Take it as a valuable lesson of not putting all your eggs in one basket.

[/ QUOTE ]

The mother of all bad beats is upon us.

Instead of grinding it out at the tables, it's back to grinding gears on an air-ride seat.

SMD Frist!

/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[FastForward7]

I'm sitting awake because I'm kind of a vampire but I'm not stressing too much. Life will go on folks. Online poker isn't going anywhere quite yet. It's not as though there won't be replacements for the sites that pull out. In addition to that the fish will find a way to fund their accounts. They need their action fix or dreams of making it big as much as we need our monthly incomes. This is a speed bump to be sure but not the end of the world.

[shockdaworld]

Remember at this time last year when party seperated from empire/eurobet? That was a major freakout. This is like a lot worse.

/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[seventwo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i'm not stressed, but i'm not thrilled either. i have no job. i could likely get a job, but i don't want a job. this blows.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

[iggymcfly]

If it was two months ago, I'd be freaking out. As is, my bankroll's healthy enough that I could move to Las Vegas tomorrow, and that's kind of what I wanted to do at some point anyway. I'm actually not in that bad of a mood right now. (Being up almost $5,000 on my "last session" on Party isn't really making me feel bad either.)

[Exsubmariner]

There was once a point in time I could have quit my lousy job and played poker on the internet. I decided not to. That decision has now paid off. I'm still stressing out about this and it's implications for my freedoms in general. I wonder what behavior will be outlawed next.

[moradh]

Strange days indeed mama. You can carry a gun but not a deck of cards. I know which bullets I'd rather dodge.

[Jeff Oneye]

I find it helpful to remember that ultimately people and things do not disturb me; rather, I disturb myself by believing they can upset me. Bill Frist is not responsible for making us angry, panicky, depressed or enraged. And we don't have to drink ourselves (or drug ourselves) into oblivion right now or ever to deal with upsets.

Bill Frist and the radical Christian extremists illustrate the needless suffering and folly, which results from rigid ideologies. They firmly believe government should intervene in our moral lives to bolster our families well-being and keep us from becoming enslaved to sin. Their dichotomous, black and white thinking is the underpinning of these harsh, repressive, puritanical laws.

I don't think the Mr. Frist's, Pat Robertson's, Dr. Dobson's or Rick Santorum's of this world are evil. They unfortunately subscribe to an irrational set of beliefs steeped in religious extremism. I certainly forgive them for having foolish and unsound beliefs. They're probably well-intentioned and believe their actions are laudable. Who among us doesn't fall prey to irrational beliefs at times. After all we're fallible humans.

While this legislation is unfavorable and seemingly indicative of a worrisome trend in American politics, we don't have to drive ourselves nuts. Even if playing online poker is our primary source of income or favorite hobby, we still have choices and can find ways to be at least reasonably happy.

Maybe some of us will have to find conventional employment or even take on a second job. I'm sure some will have greater challenges given old age, a lack of job skills, or some disability. The government's seemingly unfair and heavy-handed actions put alot of people in a difficult spot. Oh well, tough luck. We all know life isn't fair and s--t happens. This "poor me, poor me, pour me another drink" attitude isn't going to serve your best interests. Instead of focusing on how you're screwed why not approach this problem with the level-headed rationality of a skilled poker player.

Instead of saying "I'm pissed off and angry because the government banned online poker" consider, "Tough luck, I'll have to consider playing in card rooms." Likewise, "I find this event very upsetting but I don't have to drive myself nuts over it." Alternatively, "Oh well, the sky isn't going to fall, plus I did make some money and had fun while it lasted."

I guess the key is that it's perfectly healthy to be reasonably upset, concerned and frustrated right now. However, feeling seriously upset and behaving foolishly is unneccessary and results from unscientific thinking. The online gambling prohibition is not making us disturbed or neurotic. It's what we believe about it that dictates our emotional, behavior and cognitive consequences. Most of us would really like to persist in our lucrative online poker gigs. But we don't HAVE to have it (legal online poker), we won't die without it, and we can be happy (though not as happy) without it. By subscribing to dogmatic and unconditional beliefs such as, "It would be HORRIBLE to not have online poker" we set ourselves up for unnecessary emotional misery.

JeffreyREBT

[rsigley]

I guess it's sort of some good and some bad for me. I graduated with a doctorate in statistics in 2002 and haven't done anything with it since because shortly after I got it I became addicted to poker and was able to support myself with it.

No poker will make me sad, but I've been wanting to do other things with my life and I've been lazy cause I was making good money from poker so I saw no reason to pursue them. So hoping this will give me motivation to make the movie I wanted to and do other things.

But it's probably because I'm sad over this and trying to rationalize it and make it seem not so bad.

[Dunkman]

Well, I just finally got to catch up with all these developments, so I'm sitting around unable to work stressing out. Does that count?

[Sober]

Mr. Phil:

Are pro atheletes equally worthless? I mean, they're just playing a game. There's no tangible product, no quantifiable service. They play a game. They make money at it because they are better at the game than most everyone else.

The way I see it, profitable multi-tablers are like pro cyber-atheletes.

[Suigin406]

[ QUOTE ]
Pretty much. I'm basically waiting until 3 Pacific for Neteller to come back and transfer money out while I wait for what happens next.
A little Bach is keeping me company but...it's basically a somber day right now. Tomorrow I'm going to sleep the day off and start checking online listings for a new job. What a night.

[/ QUOTE ]

good luck with the job search...

[Treylis]

[ QUOTE ]
But I don't pretend that poker is good for society. Numerous studies show online gaming is very detrimental, no one really debates it.

[/ QUOTE ]

You ever hear the joke about the guy who made wide sweeping claims and claimed that studies supported his opinions without bothering to cite those studies, which are also almost certainly totally bias-free?

[ QUOTE ]
Poker players have no "right" to earn an income from this game. Poker is not a job and never was.

[/ QUOTE ]

By what reasoning exactly do you make these assertions?

Personally I feel that this is all rather immaterial anyways, people have gambled since the dawn of civilization and there's certainly no sign of that stopping anytime soon. It may be more difficult, but it's not going away.

[John21]

[ QUOTE ]
Mr. Phil:

Are pro atheletes equally worthless? I mean, they're just playing a game. There's no tangible product, no quantifiable service. They play a game. They make money at it because they are better at the game than most everyone else.

The way I see it, profitable multi-tablers are like pro cyber-atheletes.

[/ QUOTE ]

For pro atheletes, and actors for that matter, the value they bring to society is entertainment.

An old economics teacher of mine used to tell us if we ever found ourselves in a dilema always simplify it by asking how the scenario would play out with a few people on an island.

So what would happen if the few people on the island sat around and just played poker all day? They'd eventually die.

I don't believe poker is quite as parasitic as Mr Phil tends to state. It does have some entertainment value - which is why I started playing in the first place.

[WarBus]

http://maa-love.hp.infoseek.co.jp/j/southpark/panda.jpg

I'm a sad panda.
I don't think its the end of online poker, but it does make my stomach queasy not knowing how its all going to turn out.

Hopefully, there will always be places to play and maybe this is the first step in seeing US based online gambling. Who knows what the future will bring. We just have to wait and see.

[dangerous_badman]

[ QUOTE ]
we don't have to drink ourselves (or drug ourselves) into oblivion right now or ever to deal with upset

[/ QUOTE ]

Speak for yourself

[NickyD]

What pisses me off the most is to know we were political fodder to impress the right wing bible thumpers. I don't think Frist really gave a crap about online gambling. Hopefully this will cost the GOP a lot of votes and blow up in their faces. I have always voted independant, but now I wouldn't vote for Republican for anything.

[aramfingal]

[ QUOTE ]
This isn't the place for this debate, but providing anything that requires work and that other people use is what I meant. You know the keyboard you're typing on? That's someone's work. The pizza you ate? Someone's work. The road you drive on? Someone's work. The fact that you can read and write? Someone's work. You get the idea. Someone actually had to spend their valuable time making the stuff that others use. If you don't do anything except sitting on your ass clicking buttons to take money off others, you're the definition of worthless.

So to answer your question, 100% minus whatever the unemployment rate is.

[/ QUOTE ]
poker=enertainment
movie: 100 ppl go in, 85 of them enjoy the show and don't think about it all that much, 12 of them like it and compare it to a couple other movies they've seen, 3 can tell you how it compares to the director's other works, which actors are likely to get an oscar nomination from it, what was innaccurate in leonard maltin's description of it, which parts of the film were ideas stolen from john cassavetes, terry gilliam, or luchino visconti, and much much more.
but these 100 ppl all leave $9 poorer than they went in.
poker: pretty mucht the same, except that those 3 ppl who know the most don't leave $9 poorer.
but in each case, no keyboards are produced, and thus all forms of entertainment are "the definition of worthless" and should obviously be banned.
now please stop wasting my valueable time with these silly posts so i can go do something useful, like picking cotton perhaps.

[grandgnu]

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The fact is that if you have no other income except poker, you're worthless freeloading scum and you deserve the worst of everything that's coming to you.

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That's right. It's better to push papers and answer phones for under 30K a year and make someone else rich off your labor, rather than play online poker and earn 2-4 times that yearly income while putting in half the hours.

Business owners are freeloading scum too my friend. They'll pay you $18/hr but then they're making $25-$30/hr off the work you put in. Working for yourself is much better than being a wage slave and claiming you're "productive to society" because you're flipping burgers or transferring phone calls. Gimme a break.

[Semtex]

studying while seeing if there are any sigificant developments. not feeling too stressed...

[krazyace5]

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An old economics teacher of mine used to tell us if we ever found ourselves in a dilema always simplify it by asking how the scenario would play out with a few people on an island.

So what would happen if the few people on the island sat around and just played poker all day? They'd eventually die.


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Wow, thats deep... and by deep I mean one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

[Semtex]

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An old economics teacher of mine used to tell us if we ever found ourselves in a dilema always simplify it by asking how the scenario would play out with a few people on an island.

So what would happen if the few people on the island sat around and just played poker all day? They'd eventually die.


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Wow, thats deep... and by deep I mean one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

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LOL agreed. This guy can't be serious.

[Sober]

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For pro atheletes, and actors for that matter, the value they bring to society is entertainment.

An old economics teacher of mine used to tell us if we ever found ourselves in a dilema always simplify it by asking how the scenario would play out with a few people on an island.

So what would happen if the few people on the island sat around and just played poker all day? They'd eventually die.

I don't believe poker is quite as parasitic as Mr Phil tends to state. It does have some entertainment value - which is why I started playing in the first place.

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I don't know about you, but even if I had a passing interest in poker, I'd be way more entertained by putting down $11 for a tourney rather than pay $11 to see a fecking Bruckheimer movie.

'Entertainment' is subjective by definition. I hate hate hate sports. Can't stand to watch them, can't stand to have people try to talk with me about them. But I completely understand the appeal and their value.

Also, if a few people on an island did any one thing all day everyday, they would die. I think your economics teacher was speaking about industrial diversity and eocologically sustainable habits in isolated societies, not whether guys who played poker all day were valuable to the economy.

[excession]

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An old economics teacher of mine used to tell us if we ever found ourselves in a dilema always simplify it by asking how the scenario would play out with a few people on an island.

So what would happen if the few people on the island sat around and just TAUGHT ECONOMICS all day? They'd eventually die."

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[Sir Limps Alot]

All said and done it is not the fact that poker is the target here, our personal freedoms as americans is the target. This administration has done more in 6 years to take the values that our country is built on and throw them away than any I can remember. Tapping phone calls of normal hard working americans if they like, policing what we do in our daily lives. That makes me sick, poker is just an another link on the chain. If you dont see how this is so much bigger than POKER than you are blind. Everybody needs to open their eyes and see that this is stripping our personal freedoms, thats sick and I have had enough. When the news came out that they may listen to conversations if they suspected terrorist activity I said oh okay, they are trying to protect us, I dont like it but I dealt with it. This administration is pushing their religious beleifs on the american people in the name of safety, thats bull shi%. This country was founded on finding a place that people could beleive what they wanted and practice what they want. We are supposed to be a democracy and we as people are supposed to have personal freedoms, they are being taken from us. SO no it is not the internet poker that is making me sick, its where we are headed.

[blueodum]

The fact is that if you have no other income except poker, you're worthless freeloading scum and you deserve the worst of everything that's coming to you.

You, sir, are an idiot.

It's great that you equate a person's worth entirely with how they make their living.

[blueodum]

An old economics teacher of mine used to tell us if we ever found ourselves in a dilema always simplify it by asking how the scenario would play out with a few people on an island.

So what would happen if the few people on the island sat around and just played poker all day? They'd eventually die.

You must have had one incredibly stupid economics professor.

What would happen on the island if all the people:

Played basketball all day.
Acted and made movies all day.
Traded stocks all day.
Hired lawyers and went to court all day.
Built automobiles all day.
Passed legislation all day.

Get the picture?

[suzzer99]

I just got a visual of when the Harlem Globetrotters wound up on Gilligan's Island. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[blueodum]

I just got a visual of when the Harlem Globetrotters wound up on Gilligan's Island.

I loved that! That was a TV movie.

[aramfingal]

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[SuperUberBob]

I slept well last night.

[Phil153]

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The fact is that if you have no other income except poker, you're worthless freeloading scum and you deserve the worst of everything that's coming to you.

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That's right. It's better to push papers and answer phones for under 30K a year and make someone else rich off your labor, rather than play online poker and earn 2-4 times that yearly income while putting in half the hours.

Business owners are freeloading scum too my friend. They'll pay you $18/hr but then they're making $25-$30/hr off the work you put in. Working for yourself is much better than being a wage slave and claiming you're "productive to society" because you're flipping burgers or transferring phone calls. Gimme a break.

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You're free to be an entrepreneur yourself, if you have the talent. BTW, think of your attitude the next time you buy some takeout. It's attitudes like these that turn the general public against online poker.

[grandgnu]

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You're free to be an entrepreneur yourself, if you have the talent. BTW, think of your attitude the next time you buy some takeout. It's attitudes like these that turn the general public against online poker.

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Phil, the fact of the matter is that some people have to be business owners, and others have to be employees. Not everyone can be running the business or making really good money.

Whether I choose to make my income by playing poker, or building computers, or picking up peoples trash or filling out TPS reports shouldn't really matter.

Not every job out there contributes greatly to society. And I'd bet you bottom dollar that a great majority of people are doing jobs they don't enjoy in order to pay their bills (i.e. not caring one way or another how it affects society as a whole)

Granted, there are some people who do their jobs to help others or contribute in some way, but most people just want to pay their bills and be able to move up and afford more stuff, such is the way of the world.

I have an Associates Degree in business and a wide variety of skills, having worked as management in Customer Service/Communications as well as night auditing for a hotel, being a salesperson, building and servicing computers and servers, etc.

Still, because I lack a tiny piece of paper that shows I have a Bachelors degree it's hard for me to find a very high paying job (I'm also an hour away from Boston, and have no interest in dealing with the stressful commute, thus further reducing my potential income working for someone else)

I've worked for some class-A d-bags who didn't give two squats about their employees, they just wanted to count their money made off the labor of others. Some who were born into money and established businesses that weren't all that intelligent, but were fortunate to have everything just handed to them.

They'd make sure to tell you when you f'ed up, but they'd be hard pressed to praise you for a good job.

So why would I choose to work for someone else and help them make money off my labor and talents, while also dealing with the b.s. that goes along with their idiotic management styles and lack of empathy for those they employ, when I can make easily triple+ what they pay me, while sitting in the comfort of my own home.

Less Stress
More Income
Less Expenses (commute, etc)
Less B.S.

Sounds like an easy choice to me. Perhaps you are angry at those who've been more successful with poker than you have, and feel the need to lash out because you've been unable to break away from working for "the man"?

I'm just guessing there, I'm not sure what your winrate is or how poker has treated you over an extended period of time. Rest assured, I wasn't making Wintermute money, it would take me years to bring in what he was making in less than 6 months.

Nevertheless, I was still making a boatload more than I would working for someone in my region, and I was putting in a lot less hours, so my quality of life was much better.

Let other monkeys be wage slaves if they want, but that's not my lot in life.

[I Gotta Push]

Things have been spiralling downwards for me since about 10/1

I tried to quit smoking on 9/31, and have succeeded, for the most part, but i still REALLY want one sometimes, the legislation doesn't help. My car got broken into and the thieves took the cd player face, but left the cd player deck so now they have an unusable cd player face and i have an unusable cd player deck. Brilliant! So i can't listen to music OR smoke cigarettes while I drive! Perish the thought! Also, my sleep schedule is such that I can't/won't go to sleep until 5 or 6 am, causing me to miss most of my classes at university, where I am already on academic probation for getting 2 F's out of my last 6 classes. On top of that I literally haven't had sex in close to a year, maybe longer. And I've been at best a break-even RB player over the last two months, and spend my non-poker free-time smoking pot and playing multiplayer PC games instead of actually socializing with other humans! GG

Atleast the A's are going to the ALCS