so what are our options?

[G_Dollaz]

ok, as of the moment I'm in the US and am a US citizen. If I simply decide to move to another country, will I just be able to start playing again all of a sudden, or will I not be able to play b/c I'm a US citizen. Also, if we're a US citizen and we are allowed to play if we move somewhere else, will we owe taxes to the US govt? I'm planning on talking to a lawyer about all of this w/in the next 2-3 days, just looking for a quick answer if anyone's familiar with this stuff off top

[kabouter]

You will be allowed to play if you LIVE in a different country. You will have to pay high taxes in all european countries though (I believe the rate is the highest in the scandinavian countries).I am taking into account that you will be allowed in the country of your choice depending on the BR, we have enough broke people here allready /images/graemlins/wink.gif
If you are really interested pm me and I can set things up here in Amsterdam.

For a normal appartement it will cost you around $700 a month, if you are prepared to live outside of Amsterdam it will only cost you like 300/400 dollars. But if you are really willing to move I assume you are making a decent amount of money and with Amsterdam being such a big tourist attraction it's great to still be able to see Americans and not having to learn a foreign language.

You could also opt for England/London, but the prices there are just insane for everything, and I don't know if they are big fans of the U.S. It's a tad bit colder, and well you are on a island.

No-Go's: France (maybe monaco if that's your thing), Spain, Portugal, Italy: you have to learn a different language, and I believe it's harder overall to get things done there.

[beachbum]

How good are other overseas options like Austrailia/New Zealand?

[kabouter]

Australia is terrible to get a residence permit at, it's a beautifull country, but you don't want to be bothered to get that set up first (as in getting a job, finding someone marry her and then start playing poker again /images/graemlins/smile.gif )

[kabouter]

Is online gambling allowed in South-Africa, that sounds like a cheap and decent place to live though.

[Realyn]

Germany = Z_E_R_O Taxes

[New001]

I doubt I'd consider moving until I get my degree, but it can't hurt to research options. Do you know anything about taxation in Italy? Also, about their rules for banking, living, etc. as a US citizen. Also, the same for Israel.

Edit: This is asking anyone who knows, not just the OP.

[Konzul]

that is partly wrong.

In germany by law it is forbidden to gamble online, its just not enforced that much.

Gambling income would not be taxed, but only if it was gained in an licensed Casino, which are state controlled.

[Phil123]

You could opt for the UK but don't go to London. You won't get a half decent house for less than £500,000. Here in the UK online gambling is totaly legal and there is zero tax on gambling winnings, so that would save you a few £'s. As kabouter says it can be cold here. The summers are usually pretty warm though up into the 80's but the winters can be harsh but it won't drop too much below freezing point. If you are not bothered about living in London live somewhere in the north of England, houses and everything is much cheaper there.

[malo]

Question for the UK crowd:

I've read that there has been some increase in the land based casinos (with live poker) in the UK.

In particular places outside of London where one could live, and be close to a B&M for occasional live play also?

[D.H.]

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You will be allowed to play if you LIVE in a different country. You will have to pay high taxes in all european countries though (I believe the rate is the highest in the scandinavian countries).

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In Sweden you don't have to pay taxes on winnings from sites within the EU (e.g. PartyPoker that is located in Gibraltar).

[kabouter]

Yeah the tax system here (Netherlands) is the same as in Germany, but I wouldn't say it's tax free.
Yeah england is nice, but the thing is I would want to live in one of the bigger cities with tourists everywhere, that way it's easier to get around and meet new people. I wouldn't want to end up alone with my millions of poker money in a place like Hull (northern england).
If you are also planning on going to a university in Europe, then it's totally different. Just throw one amazing party and you are set /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[nation]

What about options in Canada? Why isn't this everyones first choice?

Also, OP's questions are very relevant...would I need to do anything other than get a work permit or things like that?

[MasterLJ]

Canada? No tax on gambling winnings, no b.s. legislation.

My boy is moving to Illinois in February (I'm in CA), hell, I could be closer to him living there than I am now. The question remains whether or not the game will stay profitable. Call me an optimist, but I still think fish will be present in the same percentage, just the overall number of people playing will be considerably less which means certain sites will gather up the bulk of the business leading to online populations similar to what we have today, only less variety of sites to choose from.

[kabouter]

Yeah Canada sounds great, probably cheap too.

Hmm I would be moving myself if I had enough money, and wasn't in my last year of law school. Don't know about a work permit in Canada, in europe it's not that hard though.

[jimmytrick]

Your option is to stay in school so you will not be drafted when Bush invades Iran after the elections.

[r0eKY]

any1 know anything about panama, i know there is no tax on oversea income and cost of living is low

[ABM]

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Question for the UK crowd:

I've read that there has been some increase in the land based casinos (with live poker) in the UK.

In particular places outside of London where one could live, and be close to a B&M for occasional live play also?

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This list is not complete but it gives you a starting point.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_room/list/United+Kingdom

In general card rooms here will be a disappointment by US standards, however there are discussions occuring at the moment to decide the location of a Vegas style 'Super Casino' that has recently been approved.

It's nowhere near official, but all the rumours and scandal point to Greenwich in London being the chosen location.

Currently the biggest card room, dedicated poker area, not casino, in the UK (and Europe I believe) is the Gutshot Club www.gutshot.com (http://www.gutshot.com), again in London.

Potential problems for US players playing here would be:

a) Most cash games are Pot Limit
b) Because poker is less 'everywhere you turn' here it tends to be populated by a lower ratio of tourists/casual players so there would seem to be less fish per shark.
c) The above is even more pronounced for Omaha
d) If the Greenwich site gets the go-ahead, finding a good game on a regular basis might be difficult outside of London as there would be a percentage of regulars that would move their games.

The above is a lot of opinion and speculation so take it with a large grain of salt. However it should give you a starting point for research.

As mentioned above prices in London are crazy. My wife and I own a nice 1 bedroom flat in a decent (not posh/expensive) part of London that is about 20 mins from the city centre by public transport. It is worth about 475k US. Renting the same is about 1500 US per month. You can get cheaper but it requires either dropping standards or moving further out. Other cities here are definately a lot cheaper but your live poker is going to be very restricted.

In short moving to the UK just to play poker online and add in a little live play would be -EV despite the tax benefits

[TheMetetron]

kabouter,

Why do you make it sound like the Netherlands will just let anybody in? I know you guys screwed up with lax policies 50 years ago and are now overcrowded as [censored], but I'm fairly certain that's been corrected.

Work/residence visas are very hard to come by in 1st world countries (with the exception of possibly Australia, which I know nothing about). I have looked into/tried to move to Canada/most of Europe from the USA as a US citizen and it is hard as balls.

[00Snitch]

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Is online gambling allowed in South-Africa

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whoa, dude, i know a few boks and they all left south africa cause they were scared for their lives.

[00Snitch]

ps. come to aus. no tax on gabling incomes. if you live in brisbane the temp goes from like 10-25c in the winter 20-40c in the summer.

even got poker in the 3 (brisbane, sydney, mebourne) casinos (melbourne is by far the best)

[BlackAMEX]

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ps. come to aus. no tax on gabling incomes. if you live in brisbane the temp goes from like 10-25c in the winter 20-40c in the summer.

even got poker in the 3 (brisbane, sydney, mebourne) casinos (melbourne is by far the best)

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Agreed. I live in Oz as well and it would be by far the best option...if you can get some sort of visa that is (im not sure whether its hard or not, as i obviously havent had any experience).

Basically you're looking your options being Gold Coast, Sydney, or Melbourne if you're coming here (as previous poster said).

If this problem is as bad as rumoured for the US guys, and you can get a visa, id recommend Aus.

[RedBaron__]

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You will be allowed to play if you LIVE in a different country. You will have to pay high taxes in all european countries though (I believe the rate is the highest in the scandinavian countries).

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This is nonsense. You dont have to pay taxes from your winnings as long as the site is within EU.

[Akimka]

I really don't understand. I already lives in other country (welcome to Russia by the way - 13% taxes - world lowest taxes, apartaments about $400/month).
but with whom I will play with after there will be no US fishes??? What to you think about it?

[JDalla]

If you are a U.S. Citizen and live in another country, you only get an 80K tax exemption from US taxes. Ain't that grand!

Yeah, it's gonna be a lot tougher without masses of US fishes.

[Zaghomat]

There is no European standard about taxes on gambling, so it really is different in each country.

[New001]

Longshot, but does anybody know about relocating to Dubai, Kuwait, or Qatar?

[Ron Burgundy]

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Longshot, but does anybody know about relocating to Dubai, Kuwait, or Qatar?

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Join the army?

[New001]

More clever than I would have expected from the first witty response. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[00Snitch]

lol

nh

[SlapPappy]

Umm. [censored].

[PokerSpiv]

Mexico?

[Jeff_B]

suicide.

(just kidding)