It Has Begun. Pacific Poker Closing Down USA. More Will Follow. [Archive]

LadyWrestler

10-01-2006, 08:46 PM

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I fail to see the point of adding "It Has Begun" and "More Will Follow," to your headline, as there isnt substantial evidence of this YET and creating a scare frenzy wont help anything.

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I fail to see why you want to live in a dream world, but that will not change what has begun and will continue. The actions of the United States Congress is very substantial evidence that at the very least much of online poker is dying in the USA and it is going to happen quickly whether you want to believe that or not. I got the majority of my money out and suggest you do the same...quickly.

dibbs

10-01-2006, 08:47 PM

ZB,

Care to word your reasoning on why Party will follow with them? Is it because they are publicly traded, what effect does that have on the decision of not dealing with US based customers etc? I dont know much about this, thanks.

Nate predicted a few days ago that 888 would be the first to drop US players, and Party etc would continue to fight on, I dont know what his reasoning was behind it, and from the title of his post I dont know how serious he was about it.

redbeard

10-01-2006, 08:47 PM

nate tha' great predicted this would happen at 888. do to the fact that the majority of thier business is european anyway. i think it is a bit of a leap at this point to assume party will follow suit.

repulse

10-01-2006, 08:47 PM

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If 888 is going, Party will as well.

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What's the reasoning for this? I kind of assumed that the two were very different... that 888 was mostly non-US players and that Party was >80% US players. Is this just because both are publicly traded? Is that really that strong of a force here? If so, ack! /images/graemlins/frown.gif

PokerBob

10-01-2006, 08:47 PM

i blame nate.

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 08:48 PM

They are all going to do this. This isn't rocket science, folks. It's over, whether you choose to believe it or not. Just don't come here bitching and moaning when you can no longer get your money out.

dibbs

10-01-2006, 08:49 PM

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I fail to see why you want to live in a dream world, but that will not change what has begun and will continue. The actions of the United States Congress is very substantial evidence that online poker is dying and it is going to happen quickly in the USA whether you want to believe that or not. I got the majority of my money out and suggest you do the same...quickly.

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Ive been pessimistic about this thing since day one, but theres a difference between being rationally pessimistic and creating a scare solely because you feel we're doomed.

jrz1972

10-01-2006, 08:50 PM

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If 888 is going, Party will as well.

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The London Times article explicitly says that Party is expected to cut off Americans too.

You have to figure somebody is going to stick around to serve Americans, and that somebody is going to become *the* dominant firm very quickly.

You can write this down right now: If Party cuts off American players, and every other poker room does not follow suit, it is finished as an industry leader. So far, the only major strategic asset Party has is its gigantic player network. Without access to the US market, it will get overtaken easily.

ZBTHorton

10-01-2006, 08:51 PM

The article gives you all the info you need folks.

JPFisher55

10-01-2006, 08:51 PM

Yea right, these foreign companies are going to dump 25-80% of their busines without a fight. Then, get delisted from the London Stock Exchange and sued by all their shareholders.
Why do you people believe articles like this. Read the ones at Gaming911.com.
Companies are going to fight this law. Your panicking is making the situation worse, not better.

celiboy

10-01-2006, 08:52 PM

LadyWrestler

10-01-2006, 08:52 PM

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I fail to see why you want to live in a dream world, but that will not change what has begun and will continue. The actions of the United States Congress is very substantial evidence that online poker is dying and it is going to happen quickly in the USA whether you want to believe that or not. I got the majority of my money out and suggest you do the same...quickly.

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Ive been pessimistic about this thing since day one, but theres a difference between being rationally pessimistic and creating a scare solely because you feel we're doomed.

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My feelings have nothing to do with this. I am not your enemy in this. Do not become your own enemy. Face reality, the sooner the better...for you.

dibbs

10-01-2006, 08:52 PM

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They are all going to do this. This isn't rocket science, folks. It's over, whether you choose to believe it or not.

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I know we're probably screwed, Im not in denial, but people just saying "ITS OVER LOL I TOLD YOU" wont help.

Why are they all going to do this just because 888 did? I would of course like to hear your reasoning.

jrz1972

10-01-2006, 08:53 PM

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Care to word your reasoning on why Party will follow with them?

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PartyGaming, the world’s biggest internet gambling company, said last night that it was “still evaluating the situation”, although industry sources believe it will also announce a cessation of its services to American punters.

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mikechops

10-01-2006, 08:53 PM

Party too? From the London Times:-

http://business.timesonline.co.uk

"...The surprise move, which is expected to spark a massive share sell-off, will prompt London-listed 888 Holdings to announce this morning that it is halting its entire US-facing operation, accounting for half its business.

PartyGaming, the world’s biggest internet gambling company, said last night that it was “still evaluating the situation”, although industry sources believe it will also announce a cessation of its services to American punters."

Uglyowl

10-01-2006, 08:54 PM

Why is all this speculation stated as fact? Calm down people and see how this settles.

Losing all

10-01-2006, 08:55 PM

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I fail to see the point of adding "It Has Begun" and "More Will Follow," to your headline, as there isnt substantial evidence of this YET and creating a scare frenzy wont help anything.

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They are all going to do this. This isn't rocket science, folks. It's over, whether you choose to believe it or not. Just don't come here bitching and moaning when you can no longer get your money out.

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It's kind of sick how much pleasure you're getting from all of this. Notice I'm not saying you're wrong, but please gloat elsewhere.

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 08:55 PM

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They are all going to do this. This isn't rocket science, folks. It's over, whether you choose to believe it or not.

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I know we're probably screwed, Im not in denial, but people just saying "ITS OVER LOL I TOLD YOU" wont help.

Why are they all going to do this just because 888 did? I would of course like to hear your reasoning.

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My reasoning is based on common sense and is contained in my numerous posts over the past 48 hours in which I predicted that this would happen prior to the time the president signs the bill in 7-10 days. It has now started.

AJFenix

10-01-2006, 08:56 PM

888 was expected, given the bulk of their customer base is in Europe anyway. 77% of Party's income is through the US. It wouldn't really make much sense for them to "follow suit" with 888.

celiboy

10-01-2006, 08:57 PM

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888 was expected, given the bulk of their customer base is in Europe anyway. 77% of Party's income is through the US. It wouldn't really make much sense for them to "follow suit" with 888.

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But the article says 50% of their base was US, so saying the "bulk" was European is not true. I bet their share price drops by 80%

dibbs

10-01-2006, 08:57 PM

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They are all going to do this. This isn't rocket science, folks. It's over, whether you choose to believe it or not.

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I know we're probably screwed, Im not in denial, but people just saying "ITS OVER LOL I TOLD YOU" wont help.

Why are they all going to do this just because 888 did? I would of course like to hear your reasoning.

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My reasoning is based on common sense and is contained in my numerous posts over the past 48 hours in which I predicted that this would happen prior to the time the president signs the bill in 7-10 days. It has now started.

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Ok, thanks Lawman.

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 08:58 PM

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I fail to see the point of adding "It Has Begun" and "More Will Follow," to your headline, as there isnt substantial evidence of this YET and creating a scare frenzy wont help anything.

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They are all going to do this. This isn't rocket science, folks. It's over, whether you choose to believe it or not. Just don't come here bitching and moaning when you can no longer get your money out.

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It's kind of sick how much pleasure you're getting from all of this. Notice I'm not saying you're wrong, but please gloat elsewhere.

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I'm not gloating at all. I never have. I love playing online poker, and I'm devastated by this. This is horrible, but the time for denial is over.

DavidNB

10-01-2006, 09:00 PM

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nate tha' great predicted this would happen at 888. do to the fact that the majority of thier business is european anyway. i think it is a bit of a leap at this point to assume party will follow suit.

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888 siad ijn their press release that half of their clients were from the US

jrz1972

10-01-2006, 09:01 PM

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888 was expected, given the bulk of their customer base is in Europe anyway.

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That just isn't true. Basically every single site derives at least half its revenue from the US. It is a huge sacrifice for any firm to voluntarily part with the US segment of the market.

furyshade

10-01-2006, 09:09 PM

what about stars?

ridonkulous

10-01-2006, 09:10 PM

Stars is a private company, so hopefully they wait awhile.

malo

10-01-2006, 09:12 PM

Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

That's a lot of business to just walk away from.......

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 09:13 PM

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Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

That's a lot of business to just walk away from.......

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Yeah, but I hear prison is no bed of roses, either.

PokerBob

10-01-2006, 09:15 PM

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Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

That's a lot of business to just walk away from.......

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Yeah, but I hear prison is no bed of roses, either.

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there is curently no enforcment in place, so how the hell are they going to send someone to prison?

big e

10-01-2006, 09:15 PM

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Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

That's a lot of business to just walk away from.......

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Why are you including Canada in your that's a lot of business to walk away from quote.

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 09:16 PM

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Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

That's a lot of business to just walk away from.......

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Yeah, but I hear prison is no bed of roses, either.

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there is curently no enforcment in place, so how the hell are they going to send someone to prison?

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The executives at Pacific Poker are obviously concerned about something, don't you think?

I don't know what you mean by "there is currently no enforcement in place." The bill will become law when the president signs it in the next week or so. At that time, every online poker site that allows US players will be breaking a federal law, and all of their executives can be indicted, extradited, tried, and imprisoned in the US.

Jeremy517

10-01-2006, 09:19 PM

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Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

That's a lot of business to just walk away from.......

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Yeah, but I hear prison is no bed of roses, either.

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there is curently no enforcment in place, so how the hell are they going to send someone to prison?

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The executives at Pacific Poker are obviously concerned about something, don't you think?

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We're talking about a site that won't let you change your password. I wouldn't be too concerned about what they consider "safe".

malo

10-01-2006, 09:22 PM

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Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

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Why are you including Canada in your that's a lot of business to walk away from quote.

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I was just acknowledging that the US is not not the only country on the North American continent with poker players online at this hour. Mexico and Central American countries are also in prime time hours, but the US and Canada probably have the most players.

I have no idea what percent of that 93,000+ number is American, and didn't guesstimate.

Gee....do forgive me.......

Auren

10-01-2006, 09:23 PM

I am not from USA but it seems silly that people are scared of running out of poker sites. Some will close USA players out. But that leaves 300 000 000 pretty rich people with biggest percentage of poker addicts in world without place to play. No matter how many sites will close for americans new one will come to serve them. It is just too much cash.

big e

10-01-2006, 09:37 PM

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Over 93,000 players at Party right now (8:10pm CDT) and you gotta figure that at this time, most are American, with a fair number of Candians.

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Why are you including Canada in your that's a lot of business to walk away from quote.

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I was just acknowledging that the US is not not the only country on the North American continent with poker players online at this hour. Mexico and Central American countries are also in prime time hours, but the US and Canada probably have the most players.

I have no idea what percent of that 93,000+ number is American, and didn't guesstimate.

Gee....do forgive me.......

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I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic, I just miss read your post.
I really feel bad for the US players.

The main saving grave we have in Canada is that most of the sites are licensed in Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake and the federal gverment doesn't want to open that can of worms.

I just don’t understand why they just don’t license and tax it. All the other agreements can be solved if they license it.

acesfall

10-01-2006, 09:43 PM

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I just don’t understand why they just don’t license and tax it. All the other agreements can be solved if they license it.

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None of us do /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Marquoz

10-01-2006, 09:48 PM

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I just don’t understand why they just don’t license and tax it. All the other agreements can be solved if they license it.

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Simple: the religious right truly believes they have the duty to enforce their morality on the rest of us. The problem is that they now have the power to enact those beliefs.

For another current example, check out this article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901055.html?sub=AR) from the Washington Post about their latest moves to get around separation of church and state.

Jeremy517

10-01-2006, 09:49 PM

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I just don’t understand why they just don’t license and tax it. All the other agreements can be solved if they license it.

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Simple: the religious right truly believes they have the duty to enforce their morality on the rest of us. The problem is that they now have the power to enact those beliefs.

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If that were true, they'd go after lotteries, horse racing, Indian casinos, etc.

EvanJC

10-01-2006, 09:50 PM

lol

ridonkulous

10-01-2006, 09:50 PM

Marquoz

10-01-2006, 09:52 PM

goodgrief

10-01-2006, 09:52 PM

Because it's not about that. It's about Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Republican, Tennessee, pandering to religious hysterics. I have lived in this part of the country before, I have relatives there, and I have been told to my face by fundamentalist hysterics that cards are "of the devil" and that people who play cards will go to hell. If you think these people are about common sense or logical reasoning, you haven't been paying attention. They don't have any logical skills. They are easily manipulated fools who will vote for a panderer like Senator Frist. So your rights have been sold to help Frist in his campaign to be the next president. They don't give a damn about licensing and taxing online poker or marijuana or any other harmless little pleasure. The point is to grab the votes of all of those "God-fearing" hysterics.

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I just don’t understand why they just don’t license and tax it. All the other agreements can be solved if they license it.

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Losing all

10-01-2006, 09:53 PM

malo

10-01-2006, 09:57 PM

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I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic, I just miss read your post.
I really feel bad for the US players.

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Sorry......guess I'm just wound a little tight right now.
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jimmytrick

10-01-2006, 09:57 PM

Sources in Bethesda, Md. confirm that President Bush has ordered an aircraft carrier to be diverted to Costa Rica and mobilization has begun at Fort Bragg. The President is expected to brief the nation on the "War on Poker" early Monday morning.

Misfire

10-01-2006, 09:57 PM

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If that were true, they'd go after lotteries, horse racing, Indian casinos, etc.

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The religious right can be bought just like every other political power center.

doppler

10-01-2006, 09:57 PM

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I just don’t understand why they just don’t license and tax it. All the other agreements can be solved if they license it.

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Because that wouldn´t save the children, duh.

JPFisher55

10-01-2006, 10:02 PM

Best after bill passage post, yet. ROFL

bkholdem

10-01-2006, 10:04 PM

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I just don’t understand why they just don’t license and tax it. All the other agreements can be solved if they license it.

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Simple: the religious right truly believes they have the duty to enforce their morality on the rest of us. The problem is that they now have the power to enact those beliefs.

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If that were true, they'd go after lotteries, horse racing, Indian casinos, etc.

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I know this is an emotional time for all of us but this is the legislature forum and not the politics forum. I'm not a republican or a religeous right but am getting damn tired of all of the bashing. Bottom line is that it is not helpful or productive for us as poker players to be infighting about who is behind what and who is more wrong, etc.

We need to align under our common interest and put aside differences.

Marquoz

10-01-2006, 10:08 PM

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Bottom line is that it is not helpful or productive for us as poker players to be infighting about who is behind what and who is more wrong, etc.

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Nope. Knowing who is responsible means knowing who to fight. Identifying the villains is critical.

bgoalie35

10-01-2006, 10:09 PM

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If that were true, they'd go after lotteries, horse racing, Indian casinos, etc.

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The politicians who pander to the religious right can be bought just like every other political power center.

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FYP. Its all about a political power play. Play to the zealots that want to legislate morality, but make sure to keep the lobbies with deep pockets happy while you're at it.

And yes, regulating and taxing poker would not protect the defenseless children. This legislation is probably protecting the old people too.

HumanACtor

10-01-2006, 10:09 PM

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Bottom line is that it is not helpful or productive for us as poker players to be infighting about who is behind what and who is more wrong, etc.

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Nope. Knowing who is responsible means knowing who to fight. Identifying the villains is critical.

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Government is the villain. Fight government by all means necessary.

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 10:11 PM

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Bottom line is that it is not helpful or productive for us as poker players to be infighting about who is behind what and who is more wrong, etc.

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Think what you want to, but the bottom line is that this bill would have never passed if the Democrats had been in power. Once Frist and his Republican cronies tacked it onto the port security bill, the Democrats had no choice but to vote for it, especially in an election year, which is why Frist pulled this crap in the first place.

FYI, I was a lifelong Republican until about six months ago.

5thStreetHog

10-01-2006, 10:12 PM

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I know this is an emotional time for all of us but this is the legislature forum and not the politics forum. I'm not a republican or a religeous right but am getting damn tired of all of the bashing. Bottom line is that it is not helpful or productive for us as poker players to be infighting about who is behind what and who is more wrong, etc.

We need to align under our common interest and put aside differences

[/ QUOTE ]If you align to fight a battle,is it not a good idea to identify your enemy?So in my opinion if this BASHING u speak of opens one person`s eyes ,i say continue.

whangarei

10-01-2006, 10:13 PM

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We need to align under our common interest and put aside differences.

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A realization that Republican pandering to the religious right is what got us here is an essential step towards aligning under our common interest.

bkholdem

10-01-2006, 10:13 PM

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Bottom line is that it is not helpful or productive for us as poker players to be infighting about who is behind what and who is more wrong, etc.

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Nope. Knowing who is responsible means knowing who to fight. Identifying the villains is critical.

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If we mattered as a voter base I would agree with you. We do not. Biotching is not effective.

JuntMonkey

10-01-2006, 10:14 PM

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Bottom line is that it is not helpful or productive for us as poker players to be infighting about who is behind what and who is more wrong, etc.

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Think what you want to, but the bottom line is that this bill would have never passed if the Democrats had been in power. Once Frist and his Republican cronies tacked it onto the port security bill, the Democrats had no choice but to vote for it, especially in an election year, which is why Frist pulled this crap in the first place.

FYI, I was a lifelong Republican until about six months ago.

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Best Lawman post ever. My political leanings took the same path.

flair1239

10-01-2006, 10:16 PM

I lay this squarely upon the religious right. I have been a Republican for 12 years. I voted Libertarian/Republican for all of those years. Usually Libertarian when the Republican was a religious zealot. This is the last straw for me from now on any politican getting money from a Christian Coalition type place, will not be getting my vote.

JPFisher55

10-01-2006, 10:18 PM

I was a lifelong Republican until July 11. Now I will not vote.

Marquoz

10-01-2006, 10:19 PM

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If we mattered as a voter base I would agree with you. We do not. Biotching is not effective.

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Biotching is not effective; voting is. The more people that get angry and vote against those in charge of our country, the less their chances of retaining power. Each little group they offend isn't large enough by itself to swing the balance, but in the aggregate....maybe. Elections are sometimes close. Remember Florida in 2000?

flair1239

10-01-2006, 10:23 PM

InterPoker as well.

Link (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/forum/poker-44387.htm)

Skipbidder

10-01-2006, 10:24 PM

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I was a lifelong Republican until July 11. Now I will not vote.

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Please go to the polls and vote Libertarian when that choice exists. (You can otherwise leave your ballot blank.)

FatalError

10-01-2006, 10:28 PM

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888 Closing Down USA (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9070-2384407,00.html) /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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anyone that thinks party is going to shut down to US customers before absolutely necessary has no clue what a ridiculous amount of rake they generate from US customers per hour.

tangled

10-01-2006, 10:30 PM

I leave tomorrow to go to london to play for 888 in the UK Open. LOL.

I won entry on Pacific about a month ago.
Great timing huh?

JuntMonkey

10-01-2006, 10:31 PM

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Please go to the polls and vote Libertarian when that choice exists. (You can otherwise leave your ballot blank.)

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Agree with the first part, but I think you should generally vote Democrat if there is no Libertarian, except in rare cases.

And to the Interpoker guy - they have not yet banned U.S. players, they've just cut us off from the bonus.

buglemouth

10-01-2006, 10:31 PM

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JuntMonkey

10-01-2006, 10:35 PM

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This isn't smart. We need to get the [censored] Republicans out, and that (unfortunately?) means voting Democrat when we can't vote for Libertarians or other third parties.

We don't have time to be using a non-vote anarchist strategy that will take a hundred years for anyone to understand.

smak

10-01-2006, 10:35 PM

The PPA was very late to the game. It takes years of bribing congressman like the horse racing and lottery industries have done, to be exempted from this.

That's all it is really. The poker sites, and gambling sites didn't pay enough to the Republican leaders, so that's why they've gotten screwed.

mntbikr15

10-01-2006, 10:36 PM

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InterPoker as well.

Link (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/forum/poker-44387.htm)

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This is just the bonus no? They are still taking US buisness?

peritonlogon

10-01-2006, 10:40 PM

The ridiculous thing about that whole region of the country (red states),is that for all it's platitudes, moralizing, demonizing and church going, there are enough porn shops, strip clubs, and brick and moratr casinos to make almost any New Englander blush. I've never seen more neon titties than my drives to Florida and back and to New Mexico and back, and I had no idea that such things as "adult book stores" that have in the back dark theatres with holes in the wall. The juciest thing I've seen in New Hampshire is a slightly riske langere shop.

JuntMonkey

10-01-2006, 10:41 PM

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The ridiculous thing about that whole region of the country (red states),is that for all it's platitudes, moralizing, demonizing and church going, there are enough porn shops, strip clubs, and brick and moratr casinos to make almost any New Englander blush. I've never seen more neon titties than my drives to Florida and back and to New Mexico and back, and I had no idea that such things as "adult book stores" that have in the back dark theatres with holes in the wall. The juciest thing I've seen in New Hampshire is a slightly riske langere shop.

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lol at New Englander calling it langere

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 10:45 PM

mpslg

10-01-2006, 10:47 PM

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The ridiculous thing about that whole region of the country (red states),is that for all it's platitudes, moralizing, demonizing and church going, there are enough porn shops, strip clubs, and brick and moratr casinos to make almost any New Englander blush. I've never seen more neon titties than my drives to Florida and back and to New Mexico and back, and I had no idea that such things as "adult book stores" that have in the back dark theatres with holes in the wall. The juciest thing I've seen in New Hampshire is a slightly riske langere shop.

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You're right. LOL Here in Reverend Frist's backyard of Memphis, Tennessee, there are strip joints that are basically whorehouses. In Nashville, there are actual whorehouses (not masquerading as strip joints) operating openly within one mile of the state Capitol in downtown Nashville.

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Damn, I need to go visit Nashville.

schroedy

10-01-2006, 10:51 PM

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In Nashville, there are actual whorehouses (not masquerading as strip joints) operating openly within one mile of the state Capitol in downtown Nashville.

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It is common knowledge in the red states that prostitutes do best in Capitol cities (Des Moines, Lincoln, Nashville, Lexington, Fargo, etc.)

JPFisher55

10-01-2006, 10:54 PM

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I was a lifelong Republican until July 11. Now I will not vote.

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This isn't smart. We need to get the [censored] Republicans out, and that (unfortunately?) means voting Democrat when we can't vote for Libertarians or other third parties.

We don't have time to be using a non-vote anarchist strategy that will take a hundred years for anyone to understand.

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Sorry, but I will no more vote for left wing extremists than religious fanatics.

Sarge85

10-01-2006, 11:01 PM

will someone show me the link on 888 that says they are no longer accepting US players. I've popped around the site for about 15 minutes and havent seen anything.

I emailed them, no response as of yet.

i logged on just fine as well, though i dont have money there so that might not be an indication of anything.

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dibbs

10-01-2006, 11:03 PM

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will someone show me the link on 888 that says they are no longer accepting US players. I've popped around the site for about 15 minutes and havent seen anything.

I emailed them, no response as of yet.

i logged on just fine as well, though i dont have money there so that might not be an indication of anything.

Sarge/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9070-2384407,00.html

Just copy the link, it messes up when pasting, sorry.

Since it said monday thats probably why nothings kicked in yet.

schroedy

10-01-2006, 11:03 PM

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I've popped around the site for about 15 minutes and havent seen anything. i logged on just fine as well, though i dont have money there so that might not be an indication of anything.

Sarge/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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I suppose that this wasn't exactly a good day to try and convert my comp points into cash over there!

Mr.K

10-01-2006, 11:07 PM

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If 888 is going, Party will as well.

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The London Times article explicitly says that Party is expected to cut off Americans too.

You have to figure somebody is going to stick around to serve Americans, and that somebody is going to become *the* dominant firm very quickly.

You can write this down right now: If Party cuts off American players, and every other poker room does not follow suit, it is finished as an industry leader. So far, the only major strategic asset Party has is its gigantic player network. Without access to the US market, it will get overtaken easily.

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Seems very clear to me that Party has a fiduciary duty to its investors, as do the other publicly traded companies, do pretty much stop accepting US players immediately. The financial and legal risk associated with not doing so is far too great, and I gather shareholders would probably sue (with cause) if Party's management does not take this action.

Again, welcome to the coming reality folks. Rosy posts about how this bill can't be enforced won't matter much when the sites start shutting their doors for U.S. players. The voluntary responses by sites and banks may be more damaging than the letter of the law requires.

OHFreak

10-01-2006, 11:08 PM

Someone needs to start keeping a log of nightly player counts at the various sites (at least the ones that stay open). Or does something like this already exist out there in The Tubes?

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 11:09 PM

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Again, welcome to the coming reality folks. Rosy posts about how this bill can't be enforced won't matter much when the sites start shutting their doors for U.S. players.

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Exactly.

Parlay Slow

10-01-2006, 11:12 PM

Mr. K,

I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that the "risk associated" with allowing US players is greater than the financial death of instantly eliminating 75%+ of your revenue stream.

If I was a PartyGaming shareholder I would be extremely displeased if management decided to deny US players.

mrhat187

10-01-2006, 11:13 PM

Thats why you play wt WPEX, because they don't give a crap /images/graemlins/wink.gif. None of them are american, and given they did the WTO case they really do not like US government.

dibbs

10-01-2006, 11:13 PM

Mr. K/all,

I know it is far too early to tell, but how possible(maybe is it possible) is it a non publicly traded site(s) will step up and assume the risk/create somewhat easy to use deposit/withdraw methods, and basically cater to US players despite the legislation?

JPFisher55

10-01-2006, 11:13 PM

Seems very clear to me that Party has a fiduciary duty to its investors, as do the other publicly traded companies, do pretty much stop accepting US players immediately. The financial and legal risk associated with not doing so is far too great, and I gather shareholders would probably sue (with cause) if Party's management does not take this action.

Again, welcome to the coming reality folks. Rosy posts about how this bill can't be enforced won't matter much when the sites start shutting their doors for U.S. players. The voluntary responses by sites and banks may be more damaging than the letter of the law requires.

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Just the opposite, they have a duty to protect the business and profitability of the company; not to run, hide their heads in the sand and watch their company go bankrupt. The financial risks by fighting pail in comparison to the certainity of the cost of losing their US business. The lawsuits may come from abandoning their business and profitablity; not fighting to keep and expand it.

Utah

10-01-2006, 11:19 PM

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Again, welcome to the coming reality folks. Rosy posts about how this bill can't be enforced won't matter much when the sites start shutting their doors for U.S. players.

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Exactly.

[/ QUOTE ]hmmm.....so, the government hasnt been able to stop pornography, drugs, drinking, prostitution, stealing of music and movies, abortions, or any other popular right that it tried to take away but someone the grand wizards of poker enforcement are going to succeed where everyone else failed. And, for some reason, this will be the first time in human history where there is a MASSIVE amount of money to be made in a market with huge demand and the suppliers are going to walk away and say no thanks and no one is going to fill the supply void? Hell, if the government started a new branch of government whose sole purpose was to eliminate Internet gambling and players started going to jail it still wouldn't be stopped.

Maybe there is short term pain as things sort themselves out. Big deal. Such is life.

I have read a lot of your posts here and you are the silliest most pessimistic poster who really doesnt have a clue. Sorry to flame, but you sound like a young guy who has never faced adversity before.

Lawman007

10-01-2006, 11:22 PM

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Sorry to flame, but you sound like a young guy who has never faced adversity before.

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Sorry to flame, but you sound like somebody who refuses to face reality.

Mr.K

10-01-2006, 11:23 PM

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Seems very clear to me that Party has a fiduciary duty to its investors, as do the other publicly traded companies, do pretty much stop accepting US players immediately. The financial and legal risk associated with not doing so is far too great, and I gather shareholders would probably sue (with cause) if Party's management does not take this action.

Again, welcome to the coming reality folks. Rosy posts about how this bill can't be enforced won't matter much when the sites start shutting their doors for U.S. players. The voluntary responses by sites and banks may be more damaging than the letter of the law requires.

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Just the opposite, they have a duty to protect the business and profitability of the company; not to run, hide their heads in the sand and watch their company go bankrupt. The financial risks by fighting pail in comparison to the certainity of the cost of losing their US business. The lawsuits may come from abandoning their business and profitablity; not fighting to keep and expand it.

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This is a fair point, and I'll admit that my post was an incomplete analysis. I guess it would be more accurate to say that the points I made are one side of the calculus, with the importance of keeping the American profit center as the other end. They'll have to choose one side or the other, and there are costs to both courses of action.

The really sad thing is that the cost of either course of action is probably at least 10x what it would have cost to launch an effective 529 campaign and lobbying blitz in Washington to prevent passage of the bill. Ooops.

Utah

10-01-2006, 11:28 PM

Post deleted by Utah

JPFisher55

10-01-2006, 11:29 PM

"The really sad thing is that the cost of either course of action is probably at least 10x what it would have cost to launch an effective 529 campaign and lobbying blitz in Washington to prevent passage of the bill. Ooops."

I think that their problem is that foreign corporations cannot donate to US politicians. I suppose they could have paid for some better lobbyists. But from what I have read the banking industry opposed this legislation, but what passed may affect the banks more than any industry.
I think that the Internet Gambling Industry decided that their money was better spent on legal fees challenging any bill (which was deemed unlikely to pass) than waging a political fight. Also, if their efforts to influence this bill became public then its chances of passage would increase because US citizens do not like foreignors attempting to influence US legislation and politics.

Parlay Slow

10-01-2006, 11:31 PM

Utah

10-01-2006, 11:32 PM

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I think that their problem is that foreign corporations cannot donate to US politicians.

[/ QUOTE ]lmao rotf. Yeah. Right. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

They have little problem getting money in the hands of politicians.

DuderinoAB

10-01-2006, 11:35 PM

I'm just praying tomorrow's news is good news. Who knows if it will be...but here's hoping.

DrewOnTilt

10-01-2006, 11:43 PM

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The really sad thing is that the cost of either course of action is probably at least 10x what it would have cost to launch an effective 529 campaign and lobbying blitz in Washington to prevent passage of the bill. Ooops.

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My thoughts exactly.

I really hope that most of the major network's lawyers, legal analysts, and business strategesists get shitcanned over this. No one could pay me enough to be Party Poker's chief legal counsel right now.

Guin

10-02-2006, 12:02 AM

The reality is that it isn't the poker sites to decide to enforce this bill. It is the credit card companies and your local banks to decide. They are now going to be held accountable for *your* cash heading to a gambling site. Which bank executive is going to want to go to prison so we can continue to send money through the ACH system to Neteller? Just not a cause many of them will want to fight. They will complain about the costs to implement and the timeline to implement but in the end they will comply.

The fact of the matter is that I wouldn't expect the major sites to be closing down accepting US players but the ability to get their cash has become more difficult. Probably will have to purolator/ups a cheque to them to cash to put your money into an account. But then again that is what Frist must expect us to do anyway since we are all addicted to gambling! Lets ignore all the easy places to gamble everyday on lotteries or land based casinos that are legal.

Just make sure none of you vote for Frist when he comes around in 2008 to run for President.

Uglyowl

10-02-2006, 12:06 AM

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Someone needs to start keeping a log of nightly player counts at the various sites (at least the ones that stay open). Or does something like this already exist out there in The Tubes?

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http://www.pokersitescout.com/

peritonlogon

10-02-2006, 12:12 AM

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888 Closing Down USA (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9070-2384407,00.html) /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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anyone that thinks party is going to shut down to US customers before absolutely necessary has no clue what a ridiculous amount of rake they generate from US customers per hour.

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You are not omnicient and this factor doesn't trump all others. PartyPoker is a publicly traded company and has an image to protect. I think this will be a very difficult dicision for them and could go either way.

DrewOnTilt

10-02-2006, 12:13 AM

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The fact of the matter is that I wouldn't expect the major sites to be closing down accepting US players but the ability to get their cash has become more difficult.

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You wouldn't expect it? Uh, did you not read the article posted in the original post of this thread? 888.com owns Pacific Poker, which ain't exactly the smallest fish in the pond.

Uglyowl

10-02-2006, 12:16 AM

I just can't imagine with a bill passing Friday night, most pokersites already deciding to stay or move away from U.S. residents.

It is way too quick to make that important a decision.

Lawman007

10-02-2006, 12:21 AM

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I just can't imagine with a bill passing Friday night, most pokersites already deciding to stay or move away from U.S. residents.

It is way too quick to make that important a decision.

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Apparently Pacific Poker didn't think so. The bill will become law when the president signs it in the next week or so, so I think we will know what the other sites are going to do pretty soon.

peritonlogon

10-02-2006, 12:28 AM

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lol at New Englander calling it langere

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Listen dude, it has been years and this site has still not added a spellcheck to its forums. I don't know if I've ever actually seen that word in print before, and I'm not going to google a word or find an online dictionary everytime I don't know how to spell a word. So lol away at me, I don't actaully care.

Props for making an ambiguously intended spelling error comment (are you laughing because new englanders are supposed to be snobby and well educated or because the spelling error is evidence that we don't see that type of word too often? either way there's got to be irony there somewhere).

SwordFish

10-02-2006, 12:30 AM

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I just can't imagine with a bill passing Friday night, most pokersites already deciding to stay or move away from U.S. residents.

It is way too quick to make that important a decision

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Although I agree that they should not be making rash decisions, it appears that many of the sites are in a state of panic and are overreacting.
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Interpoker for example:

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PLEASE NOTE: PLAYERS FROM THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO RECEIVE ANY BONUSES

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This decision was made and posted less than 48 hours after the Bill passed and at least a week before it is even signed into law.

Our biggest problem at this point is not the Bill itself, but how the sites are reacting to it.

SF

MLSchaff

10-02-2006, 12:57 AM

Interpoker is protecting themselves from having to pay out bonuses to customers who might not be able to play at their site for very long. All companies incur costs to gain customers. In the online poker world, these costs come in the form of advertising, affiliate payments/rb, and bonuses. It only makes business sense to spend money to acquire customers if you will make enough money over the lifetime of that customer's account to incur these costs and still make a reasonable profit. Interpoker must be anticipating the POSSIBILITY of losing their US customer base in the near future. Therefore, they don't want to pay to gain new customers from the US. This is a cost-cutting measure. It is NOT the same thing as 888's pre-emptive ban on US customers.

Guin

10-02-2006, 01:04 AM

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You wouldn't expect it? Uh, did you not read the article posted in the original post of this thread? 888.com owns Pacific Poker, which ain't exactly the smallest fish in the pond.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear and yes I did read the post to start the thread. It doesn't matter if a poker site will allow US players or not.... if US players can't get money to the site they are already in effect banned.

ed8383

10-02-2006, 01:29 AM

For those saying that Party and other sites won't let go off their business that quickly (American players), can you tell me what they did to keep them?? what did all these giant poker sites swimming in cash do to fight this legislation that was significant?? NOTHING!

If their inaction to fight the legislation means anything, it means that they didn't care enough about losing thousands of U.S players to do anything significant about this problem.

dibbs

10-02-2006, 01:32 AM

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For those saying that Party and other sites won't let go off their business that quickly (American players), can you tell me what they did to keep them?? what did all these giant poker sites swimming in cash do to fight this legislation that was significant?? NOTHING!

If their inaction to fight the legislation means anything, it means that they didn't care about losing thousands of U.S players, their base.

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Yea I dont know what this is all about, I dont know if they were so cocky they thought it would never happen or what, but they really screwed up.

Highups in Party no doubt probably have enough to retire or have other options, so they may just not care, but I doubt it, never underestimate the greed of man.

Hopefully theyll realize how bad they messed up and figure something out, to early to tell though.

udbrky

10-02-2006, 01:33 AM

Support e-mailed me back and said there's no plans yet.

Thank you for contacting us in regards to this issue.

We understand your concerns, and would like to assure you that 888.com
is fully aware of the legal situation following the recent developments
in the US Congress.

The Group Executive Management is assessing the impact of this situation
on our business.

888.com?s members have always been guaranteed a protected gaming
environment and we will take appropriate and timely measures to ensure
the interests of our members are protected and will address the concerns
of our US customers.

I take this opportunity to assure you that all monies possibly held in
your account are safe and secure and that cash outs you may have
requested will be paid in accordance with standard company protocols.

We will continue to update our customers as soon as additional
information becomes available and I invite you to contact us at any
time, should you have further questions or require assistance in any
other matter.

Kind regards,
Kimiesha D.
Member Support Representative
Pacific Poker
support@pacificpoker.com

Nate tha\\\' Great

10-02-2006, 01:36 AM

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Support e-mailed me back and said there's no plans yet.

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The tone of this response is quite a bit different than the others, which leads me to believe that the others will stick around. Nobody has posted anything from Party yet, however.

oreopimp

10-02-2006, 01:57 AM

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The article gives you all the info you need folks.

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Umm its only one article. Meanwhile the BBC radio had a professor who specialized in gaming law or something like that, who belived that that is definitly not true.

oreopimp

10-02-2006, 02:02 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Support e-mailed me back and said there's no plans yet.

Thank you for contacting us in regards to this issue.

We understand your concerns, and would like to assure you that 888.com
is fully aware of the legal situation following the recent developments
in the US Congress.

The Group Executive Management is assessing the impact of this situation
on our business.

888.com?s members have always been guaranteed a protected gaming
environment and we will take appropriate and timely measures to ensure
the interests of our members are protected and will address the concerns
of our US customers.

I take this opportunity to assure you that all monies possibly held in
your account are safe and secure and that cash outs you may have
requested will be paid in accordance with standard company protocols.

We will continue to update our customers as soon as additional
information becomes available and I invite you to contact us at any
time, should you have further questions or require assistance in any
other matter.

Kind regards,
Kimiesha D.
Member Support Representative
Pacific Poker
support@pacificpoker.com

[/ QUOTE ]

Umm so then whats with the London Times article if this email makes it seem like there are no definite plans yet? (granted it comes off like a form letter)

I guess we will ahve to wait and see what statements are issued later. The article seems more doomsday scenario like though. I have ahard time beliving that Party is going to be like "hey america, good game, fun while it lasted. Peace, we're out of this hizzle." Seems like it would be a bit of a quick reactionary rush to close shop this soon.

any idea on the time we will get the statments?

Nate tha\\\' Great

10-02-2006, 02:05 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Support e-mailed me back and said there's no plans yet.

Thank you for contacting us in regards to this issue.

We understand your concerns, and would like to assure you that 888.com
is fully aware of the legal situation following the recent developments
in the US Congress.

The Group Executive Management is assessing the impact of this situation
on our business.

888.com?s members have always been guaranteed a protected gaming
environment and we will take appropriate and timely measures to ensure
the interests of our members are protected and will address the concerns
of our US customers.

I take this opportunity to assure you that all monies possibly held in
your account are safe and secure and that cash outs you may have
requested will be paid in accordance with standard company protocols.

We will continue to update our customers as soon as additional
information becomes available and I invite you to contact us at any
time, should you have further questions or require assistance in any
other matter.

Kind regards,
Kimiesha D.
Member Support Representative
Pacific Poker
support@pacificpoker.com

[/ QUOTE ]

Umm so then whats with the London Times article if this email makes it seem like there are no definite plans yet? (granted it comes off like a form letter)

I guess we will ahve to wait and see what statements are issued later. The article seems more doomsday scenario like though. I have ahard time beliving that Party is going to be like "hey america, good game, fun while it lasted. Peace, we're out of this hizzle." Seems like it would be a bit of a quick reactionary rush to close shop this soon.

any idea on the time we will get the statments?

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The UK markets open in less than an hour, and you'd think that Party would want to issue some sort of statement before then, but who knows.

Wakko

10-02-2006, 02:08 AM

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I was a lifelong Republican until July 11. Now I will not vote.

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You show 'em!

Greg Miller

10-02-2006, 02:24 AM

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I was a lifelong Republican until July 11. Now I will not vote.

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Then you're closer to facing reality than most people in this thread.

The Democrats work even harder to control every detail of our lives than the Republicans do. The trick is to oppose centralized government power, rather than cheering it on day after day and suddenly getting mad when they finally come after something that affects you.

Questions for all those people complaining about this bill:

Do you complain when they raise taxes on somebody else? Or do you cheer them on because you buy into the claim that only the rich suffer from the taxes that account for 40% of the average food purchase in the U.S.?

Did you complain when the liberal members of the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that state and local governments could seize anyone's property if they had reason to believe that giving it to one corporation or another would increase tax revenue?

Did you complain about the Napster decision? When a liberal judge that took a lot of campaign donations from Hollywood shut down a legal file sharing service on the grounds that they were "disgusting" people for running a service that they knew *could* be used to break the law in addition to its legal uses?

Do you complain when politicians claim they're restraining the power of corporations, when they're really the only source of power corporations have? When they add new business regulations solely because they benefit the corporations that donated the most to their campaigns and those of their allies?

This time, it wasn't somebody else. It was us that got screwed--but please don't pretend you're innocent victims when you supported the politicians as they screwed someone else over with their class/race/whatever warfare politics.

Instead, go out and find causes that limit and restrain government power. Get a Tabor amendment in your state (it's working in Colorado). Support the Porkbusters. Tell everybody you know about the pork projects and quid-pro-quos of people like Ted Stevens and Nancy Pelosi.

But *please* don't pretend that liberals aren't part of the problem. The difference between liberals and social conservatives is that social conservatives are more honest about their goals and tactics.

If you're not a small-l libertarian, I can't make you one. But I ask you to at least consider our arguments. Read sites like samizdata.net for a few hours before you dismiss our cause. I promise you, liberal Democrats aren't the corporation-stopping lovers of the poor and defenders of individual freedom they pretend to be.

Lawman007

10-02-2006, 02:25 AM

Ok, the train has officially left the track now.

SwordFish

10-02-2006, 02:28 AM

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The UK markets open in less than an hour, and you'd think that Party would want to issue some sort of statement before then, but who knows.

[/ QUOTE ]

They just did: THE PARTY IS OVER (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7504472&an=0&page=0#Post 7504472)

SF

udbrky

10-02-2006, 08:13 AM

Dear Chris,

My name is Eden in Pacific Poker Support.

Thank you for replying to us regarding your recent read in Magazines
concerning Pacific Poker.

Chris, as I am sure you are aware, there are a number of ideas(Bills)
that are currently being proposed, relating to the US Gaming Market.

Similarly we are studying with the relevant information and the
subsequent findings and expectations concurrent with the above.

We have not altered any of our normal procedures and any amendments or
changes will be appropriated when required.

I hope this puts your mind at rest and please continue to enjoy the site
and the Tables at your convenience.

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this matter.

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