Trips on a 3 diamond flop

[Galilee]

Hi - this is my first hand posted on this forum. I think I played alright until the river ...

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.75
UTG+1: $5.50
CO: $14.70
Button: $24.40
SB: $32.80
Galilee: $28.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Galilee is BB with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Galilee checks.

Flop: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($1, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Galilee bets $1</font>, UTG calls, 2 folds.

Turn: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($3, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Galilee bets $2</font>, UTG calls.

River: T/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($7, 2 players)
Galilee checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $12.5</font>

This was supposed to be an aggressive check (!) - I thought I'd get another bet out of him if I let him bluff his (hopefully) busted flush ... but do I call such a large bet?

What other ways are there to play this hand?

[uminchu]

check behind on turn if villain is solid and call and fill up, against an unknown i probably call this, flushes tend to bet pay off bets and this looks likes a busted draw to me, but next time i probly c/c behind on turn, he may think you have the busted Ace of hearts and picked up a king on the turn, there are just too many hands you beat here I call

[MrMxyztplk]

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check behind on turn if villain is solid and call and fill up, against an unknown i probably call this, flushes tend to bet pay off bets and this looks likes a busted draw to me, but next time i probly c/c behind on turn, he may think you have the busted Ace of hearts and picked up a king on the turn, there are just too many hands you beat here I call

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I disagree. I'd bet the turn and consider betting the river if an A or K falls, simply because he may pair and pay off. But usually I'll c/c the river.

Here I'm definitely calling.

[Galilee]

Thanks - I was planning to call ... only the all-in made me pause. I've been reading NLHE T&amp;P and I don't want to be one of those 'suspicious' guys Sklansky talks about who pay off big bets!

I actually folded, and he flashed me JJ. I forget if one was a diamond, but I assume it was.

[MrMxyztplk]

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Thanks - I was planning to call ... only the all-in made me pause. I've been reading NLHE T&amp;P and I don't want to be one of those 'suspicious' guys Sklansky talks about who pay off big bets!

I actually folded, and he flashed me JJ. I forget if one was a diamond, but I assume it was.

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That is certainly something to consider. Just try to think about it: why would he call both streets when you're showing strength? Would he do that with a baby flush? Seems unlikely since you could be semi-bluffing with a big /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, so he'd probably stick in a raise before the river. What about the nut flush? That's more likely, but why overbet the river? What about a non-flush made hand, like a smaller set? Again, that makes some sense, but why overbet the river? He would just check behind and see if he's good, or make a small VB (since a push mostly gets called by flushes or bigger sets). So in this case, I would think he's very likely bluffing with a broadway diamond. (I bet he showed the J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.)

[Acein8ter]

You have 99 and checked when 3 players limped in. In 6 max, you should raise this hand to knock out the people that are playing stuff like Q8s, J8s, T8s.

Into the flop, your up against 3 other players. The more players your up against, the more probability that someone hits their hand.

In this one, raise PF and try to isolate to one player. (2 max)

[Acein8ter]

Oh, and after the river, you can try a 'block' bet in an attempt to see the showdown cheaper. (Instead of a C/R, especially on a 3 flush board)

[Shaddux]

Pot turn and river.

[gimmetheloot]

Umin, we are OOP, and I would never, EVEEEER check behind here against anybody, ever.

OP, call the river. You checked to induce this sir.

[kleraudio]

If you checked to induce a bluff, you got exactly what you wanted, trust your read and call here.

Jim

[Galilee]

Thanks for all the replies.

The only thing that no-one gives credit for is that the other guy is simply a poor player and has been calling with a small flush and then makes a stupid all-in on the river. I hate to reward bad play!

Obviously I was conscious of a possible flush when the flop came down all blue, and since I had only invested $3 by the river, I was thinking that a $12.5 river call might not be worth the risk.

I thought on the flop I was either going to win a small pot here or lose a big one ... so I guess I played the hand out with that in mind.

But yes, I still should have called.

[Dan Bitel]

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Thanks for all the replies.

The only thing that no-one gives credit for is that the other guy is simply a poor player and has been calling with a small flush and then makes a stupid all-in on the river. I hate to reward bad play!

Obviously I was conscious of a possible flush when the flop came down all blue, and since I had only invested $3 by the river, I was thinking that a $12.5 river call might not be worth the risk.

I thought on the flop I was either going to win a small pot here or lose a big one ... so I guess I played the hand out with that in mind.

But yes, I still should have called.

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all your logic here is very poor

[Galilee]

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all your logic here is very poor

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Haha - thanks! Can you tell me what I SHOULD be thinking?

What I was trying to say was that I didn't want to needlessly go mad against some lucky guy who flopped the flush.

[Galilee]

Oh - I realise my odds on a river call are about 1.5:1 and my investment so far is irrelevant.

[Dan Bitel]

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all your logic here is very poor

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Haha - thanks! Can you tell me what I SHOULD be thinking?

What I was trying to say was that I didn't want to needlessly go mad against some lucky guy who flopped the flush.

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You know what a range is, right?

Sure, some of his range is a flush, but enough is not that the call is +EV

[Galilee]

Thanks dbitel

Yeah, I definately figured the flush as a bigger part of his range than it really was, and so his all-in made me think I had worse odds than I really did, so I fumbled this hand.