NL50 good flop vs. donkbet

[neverforgetlol]

no reads. have a lot of outs here which are probably all live. i'm thinking raise but want your opinions.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

SB ($12.50)
BB ($23.30)
Hero ($49.50)
MP ($18.40)
Button ($158.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5.5</font>, Hero...

[xwillience]

I fold. BB only has 40bb and is betting 10 of them right now. your barely break even to catch a str8 (if your outs are clearn) and maybe drawing dead already. If he has T9 then your drawing to 4 outs. if he has a Jack, your better off but I like a fold right now.

[alphatmw]

call. i figure him for a J, 89, or Q9. see how he reacts on the turn. add 4 aces as bluff outs.

[xwillience]

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call. i figure him for a J, 89, or Q9. see how he reacts on the turn. [/b]add 4 aces as bluff outs.[/b]

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1) were not bluffing at that point.

2) bluff outs in MicroSNL doesnt work AS well.

[neverforgetlol]

how about a shove?

[xwillience]

shoving is bad because there is someone left to act behind you. Which also makes this a little trickier and is why i suggested folding. if it were HU, a shove/raise would be better IMO but still not great. I think you get looked up by any Jack and of course any Ten, I think everything else folds.

[ColdSteel]

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how about a shove?

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A shove would be better than a call, but I think a shove is bad too. You probably have zero fold equity. I'd just let this one go.

[ASPoker8]

Fold. In a 3 way pot, its safe to assume that someone probably has a J or 10. And they're likely not folding it if you make a big raise.

Calling is ~ok

[Antinome]

This is a good spot to fold. The board is paired, and there is a big stack left to act. BB's stack is small- implied odds are not good enough. You don't know whether this player would lead out with a ten.

Unless someone does some fancy math to change my mind, I think this is an easy fold.

[neverforgetlol]

ok let's say i call:

Hero Calls, Button folds

*** TURN *** 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (Pot 17.25)

BB bets $9.50, Hero??

[ASPoker8]

folds

[Antinome]

instafolds?

[EMc]

Reverse Implied odds here, another situational adaptation. With your villain controlling the betting, he can continue betting if he has you beat but can shut down and fold if he doesnt, and your draw may not be live. Also too, the price of your draw isnt true on the flop, as it will cost both a flop and bet and 3/4 times a turn bet that you are calling on a draw.

IMO its between a shove and a fold on the flop, and a shove will allow him to fold all the hands that you beat here (if any), and call with those that are ahead. Your FE is low. Just fold.

[neverforgetlol]

yep

[Shaddux]

Fold. This is not a good spot to get involved.

[dodgybob]

I may be missing something here, but why was there any debate on this hand at all?

You've just been bet into by someobdy who is oop, one person left to act, you've got no hand, outs that may not be live, and you aren't getting correct odds for your straight draw.

[neverforgetlol]

yes but i think my overs may be good as well. that's 14 outs.