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kerplunkNL
09-24-2006, 07:11 AM
No reads.

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UTG ($0)
MP ($53.84)
CO ($23.10)
Hero ($25)
SB ($5.65)
BB ($55.51)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($2.85) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.3</font>, MP calls $2.30.

Turn: ($7.45) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $3</font>, Hero ..?

EMc
09-24-2006, 07:16 AM
My default here is to raise it up, but that may be wrong here. IDK how likely it is that villain called a bet with just a K. I would say call here and with more info on the river, make a value bet/raise if necessary or call or fold if necessary.

SABR42
09-24-2006, 07:18 AM
I'd call here.

Call a reasonable bet on the river, and value bet if he checks.

kerplunkNL
09-24-2006, 07:23 AM
I called here too. Now what?

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UTG ($0)
MP ($53.84)
CO ($23.10)
Hero ($25)
SB ($5.65)
BB ($55.51)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($2.85) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.3</font>, MP calls $2.30.

Turn: ($7.45) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3.

River: ($13.45) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $5</font>, Hero ...

SABR42
09-24-2006, 07:36 AM
I call again. Folding is not an option, and raising river is too thin.

EMc
09-24-2006, 07:39 AM
A river raise is very thin. Paris Hilton thin. Just calling here is fine.

kerplunkNL
09-24-2006, 07:40 AM
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I call again. Folding is not an option, and raising river is too thin.

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Than I suck at poker. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

i.e.: I folded. I am soooooo weak.

n1nj4.br
09-24-2006, 07:59 AM
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I'd call here.

Call a reasonable bet on the river, and value bet if he checks.

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edit: as played, call river.

Shaddux
09-24-2006, 11:39 AM
call both streets.

limit refugee
09-24-2006, 12:08 PM
What did you put him on leading turn and river less than 1/2 pot that made you think TPTK was no good?

kerplunkNL
09-25-2006, 04:30 AM
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What did you put him on leading turn and river less than 1/2 pot that made you think TPTK was no good?

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So villain c/c my cbet and suddenly bets into me when a K hits on the turn??? At the time, I thought twopair (KT) and I couldn't shake that off, especially since he bet into me again on the river after I called the turn. But I'm probably given villain too much credit.

What do you put him on? Kx?

kleraudio
09-25-2006, 05:12 AM
you gotta call river here man. you beat everything except KT and QJ. I dont see QJ, (pot sized bet on turn) but its possible... i dont think he limped and called a raise w/ KT or QJ or K9 preflop either. Hes probably got KQs or KJs

Jim

koshu
09-25-2006, 06:06 AM
I think he definetely wouldve bet more on the river with QJ. This hand is quite strange, as he seems to block bet the turn and is still leading the river. I think it has to be Kings up (but who calls pf with K4/K5?) or a low set.

CrashPat
09-25-2006, 07:05 AM
Call this bet because he is unknown. This is an area that having a bit of experience with the player has helped a lot. I would raise a lot of villians here that might bet a bare T or a bad K, but an unknown I'd just call down.

Call the river bet. Maybe there is a better line, but I think that a calldown is ok.

lacrymosa
09-25-2006, 07:36 AM
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i.e.: I folded. I am soooooo weak.

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wth? what range do you put him on that you can't beat? Hes giving u about 4:1 to call, plus ur hand has showdown value.

matrix
09-25-2006, 07:42 AM
raise the turn. I'd make it ~$10 to go.

fold if re-raised, if called plan to Value bet 1/2 pot on a blank river, 2/3 - psb if we improve, or just call down if the river completes any draws.

as played on that river this is a super standard call.

Absolution
09-25-2006, 07:57 AM
Does everyone make a continuation bet here on that flop every time? I might 50/50 this one.

matrix
09-25-2006, 08:04 AM
HU on that flop you should be CBetting here close to 100% of the time.

The only time I don't CB this flop is if I have had a run of hands recently where I have been cbetting and taking the flop down uncontested, i.e. I have been cbetting a lot recently - or if I have just been caught CBetting without a hand.

SABR42
09-25-2006, 08:25 AM
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Does everyone make a continuation bet here on that flop every time?

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I bet this flop 100% of the time.

crookdimwit
09-25-2006, 11:30 AM
Bet the flop. A continuation bet is the right way to keep control of the betting, plus you may well be ahead still. If you C-Bet and get re-raised, you will have a better sense of what's going on before the turn...

As played... call turn, call river...

vulturesrow
09-25-2006, 11:39 AM
As played, call the river. Against unknown, Id likely call the turn bet. But Im raising a lot there too. c/c, lead turn is a pretty strong line and I have to give an unknown some respect for taking that line. Yeah he is betting weak but he could be trying to milk you. Just finding out what he had is worth a river call.