NL50 TT when do i let this go?

[neverforgetlol]

his bets were small enough to keep me hooked, but big enough where i didn't think i could raise him off his hand. and do i rr preflop? haven't seen villian do anything crazy yet.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

BB ($120.95)
UTG ($15.45)
MP ($58)
CO ($119.35)
Hero ($59.45)
SB ($41.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($8.75) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

River: ($15.75) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $6.5</font>, Hero calls $6.50.

Final Pot: $28.75

[mattnxtc]

if im raising i am raising the turn bet to around 10...otherwise i dont mind the call down

[xwillience]

raise the flop if your going to raise. otherwise fold the turn.

[neverforgetlol]

do you get what i said about bet sizes? that's why i called down. could be a weak-tight fearing a set (but still playing his hand) or a laggier player. i don't see someone at this level folding to a raise in this spot.

[locks1018]

In this spot, I personally would reraise. I don't like minraises and I would like to have control of the pot. If i do opt to call, I would raise on the flop to see where I stood. I hate calling a player down and not knowing if I'm ahead or behind. I think a raise between $5-$6 is good. If he calls and checks the turn, then I'll think my hand is possibly good. If he reraises, I can fold, or If he calls and checks the turn, I can check for pot control.

[neverforgetlol]

not a minraise it's a standard 4x.

i think calling is ok because a lot of people do this bet small, call raise, bet small again because they are retards.

[xwillience]

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do you get what i said about bet sizes? that's why i called down. could be a weak-tight fearing a set (but still playing his hand) or a laggier player. i don't see someone at this level folding to a raise in this spot.

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they might fold a weak Jack. or you could protect yoru hand from an a/k/q falling. calling down is definitely not an option unless you have a read that he is a maniac.

[Oubliette]

How about raising the turn for a "free" showdown? I would imagine a raise would fold overcards for sure so you dont have to guess if one hits on the river, and would def slow down your average W/T. What do we think of a small turn raise?

[Shaddux]

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raise the flop if your going to raise. otherwise fold the turn.

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This is what I do as well.

[xwillience]

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How about raising the turn for a "free" showdown? I would imagine a raise would fold overcards for sure so you dont have to guess if one hits on the river, and would def slow down your average W/T. What do we think of a small turn raise?

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its possible, but it risks more money than a flop raise. and if he calls we have no showdown value anyways.

[Oubliette]

assuming we pop on the flop, we're through with the hand UI correct?

[Oubliette]

I dont mind just calling the flop here if he has missed overs, do we know anything about his 2 barreling frequency?

I actually posted a hand similar to this a couple of days ago, i called flop and turn to fold the river against a pretty aggresive player, i think calling twice has merit here against an aggressive player.

[neverforgetlol]

no info on villian. however i had this hand in the same session which i think gives some credence to calling down. of course here i hit the higest card on board but it just shows what people will stack off with:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

Button ($62.05)
SB ($108.20)
BB ($98.70)
UTG ($50)
Hero ($50)
CO ($11.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($6.50) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.5</font>, Button calls $5.50, SB folds.

Turn: ($17.50) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $16.5</font>, Hero calls $16.50.

River: ($50.50) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $38.05 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $26 (All-In).

Final Pot: $114.55

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ad Kh (two pair, kings and threes).
Button has 8s 8h (two pair, eights and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $102.50. Button wins $12.05. </font>

[limit refugee]

Nobody else seems to be commenting on what stands out to me, I reraise this on the button 100% of the time.

With no reads, I'll raise the flop and be done, unless he makes just a small river bet.

[neverforgetlol]

that's one thing i asked about and agree i should have done. when i'm new to an opponent i usually give him more credit than i should.

[Oubliette]

Oh yeah and RR pre

[Sir Winalot]

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that's one thing i asked about and agree i should have done. when i'm new to an opponent i usually give him more credit than i should.

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I consider 50NL players donks untill proved other.

[Sir Winalot]

I reraise this preflop. I think rr/fold turn would be a good idea.

[xwillience]

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assuming we pop on the flop, we're through with the hand UI correct?

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yes.



and for the record: i like cold calling here preflop.

[JackAll]

This hands is pretty well played perfectly. There's no reason to raise pf. We have an awesome showdown hand.

Raising for information makes no sense, since a better hand will stay in and we lose more money - especially so in a big ass pot, whereas weaker hands don't get a chance to continue to try and bluff us on further streets. c/c'ing down is pretty much the best play here.

I think it's close between calling and folding the river. I would call though.

[JackAll]

In the second hand, on the turn you have a monster. check/raise the turn all-in please.

[neverforgetlol]

how is tptk a monster? if i'm ahead might as well let him bluff off to get more value. what's he calling your c/r with?

[EMc]

I like a 3 bet PF. In position I find it to be a pretty profitable situation. Opening up your 3 betting range will help you get paid on bigger hands later.

As to the hand,

Raising on the flop is esstentially turning our hand into a bluff. We want him to fold.

Given buttons history of overplaying a marginal hand, I think c.c is the way to go.

[JackAll]

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how is tptk a monster?

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How is it not /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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what's he calling your c/r with?

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After you show weakness by checking, they think the raise all in is a bluff and call with all sorts of crap. I'm constantly amazed at what they call with. Recently I've seen bottum pair, I saw a mid pair, I saw QQ with an A that was there on the flop. They really can't fathom the concept of a c/r all-in a lot of the time and just can't seem to fold after there is so much money in there.

I guess if they tripple barrel, you could let him hang himself on the river but just calling the turn, but often you don't get much out of them after calling the turn, so a c/r on the turn ends up being more profitable even if they only call infrequently.

[TKWest]

Hand 1

I sometimes call these down as well

But you spent 11.50 calling Flop, Turn and River bets.

A raise on the Flop to $6 may have done the same thing for less money as he might have checked down from then on and perhaps even folded.

[aces_dad]

Given his small bet size and history the call down looks okay, normally I'd fold turn to a real bet here as we can't make a turn/river call, and most villians don't fire 3barrells UI.

OP, are you on every 50NL 6M at stars last night? Or does it just seem that way?

[neverforgetlol]

i am right now, not much else to do.

[neverforgetlol]

results, he had QQ. he bet scared but i don't think he was going to fold either. hence i call down with smaller bets, a lot of times he'll show a lower pair.

[ImsaKidd]

I RR PF to like 6.5 or 7. The hand plays totally different after that.

[neverforgetlol]

i really don't think so.

[Antinome]

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Given buttons history of overplaying a marginal hand, I think c.c is the way to go.

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I agree. Sometimes we get carried away with aggression. This hand does have showdown value against this opponent, and he's helping us keep it small. nice.

[neverforgetlol]

have you guys seen this people that bet min every street then call your raise anyway? isn't that funny? that's why i call down bets like these and smaller. i either have the best hand or can get good odds to draw.