NL50 mutliway why can't you just fold?

[neverforgetlol]

no idea what this guy has on the turn (could probably have anything). am i committed to push here?

as you can see it was a good table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

BB ($30)
UTG ($41.05)
MP ($83.15)
Hero ($49.75)
Button ($68.25)
SB ($12.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $2.50, UTG calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($12.25) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10.5</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $10.50.

Turn: ($33.25) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...

[MrMxyztplk]

I have a feeling he would be less inclined to lead with the hands that have you beat pretty bad. So I wouldn't mind a call. Obviously get it in on the river on any 2 and any /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and probably call/check any Q or A.

[n1nj4.br]

OP,
what do u think about a check on that flop?

As played, i think folding turn is better since u have almost 0% FE and bad odds.

[n1nj4.br]

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I have a feeling he would be less inclined to lead with the hands that have you beat pretty bad. So I wouldn't mind a call. Obviously get it in on the river on any 2 and any /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and probably call/check any Q or A.

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Villian will push or check call any river (hero has only 20$ behind if call turn)

[neverforgetlol]

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OP,
what do u think about a check on that flop?

As played, i think folding turn is better since u have almost 0% FE and bad odds.

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i have 20% equity if he has the nuts, 30% if he has top pair. more realisitically i have if he has top pair. i'm getting about 3:1 just to call.


no way i check the flop, the pot is big and i have a huge hand.

[Isura]

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OP,
what do u think about a check on that flop?

As played, i think folding turn is better since u have almost 0% FE and bad odds.

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i have 20% equity if he has the nuts, 30% if he has top pair. more realisitically i have if he has top pair. i'm getting about 3:1 just to call.


no way i check the flop, the pot is big and i have a huge hand.

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You should probably bet less on flop though in order to manipulate the pot size better for latter streets.

[bottomset]

I think I like a flop check with 3villians, and a bet HU/3handed

maybe bet a little less say $8

turn spot sucks, I don't know

[Isura]

bottomset,

you def want to bet this flop. get it HU and get people to fold annoying small PPs and stuck. It will be hard to extract from worse hands if a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif comes and you also want to charge smaller draws and get a cheap turn card.

[bottomset]

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bottomset,

you def want to bet this flop. get it HU and get people to fold annoying small PPs and stuck. It will be hard to extract from worse hands if a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif comes and you also want to charge smaller draws and get a cheap turn card.

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yeah you're right, I've been up way to long and made like 75posts today, my poker thinking is fried, I prob would autobet the flop if I was playing, but was wondering if it is the right play, more I think about it, more I like a bet

[neverforgetlol]

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OP,
what do u think about a check on that flop?

As played, i think folding turn is better since u have almost 0% FE and bad odds.

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i have 20% equity if he has the nuts, 30% if he has top pair. more realisitically i have if he has top pair. i'm getting about 3:1 just to call.


no way i check the flop, the pot is big and i have a huge hand.

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You should probably bet less on flop though in order to manipulate the pot size better for latter streets.

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how much? this is close to pot which seems right when i want to get it HU at least as you said.

[Colonel Kataffy]

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OP,
what do u think about a check on that flop?

As played, i think folding turn is better since u have almost 0% FE and bad odds.

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i have 20% equity if he has the nuts, 30% if he has top pair. more realisitically i have if he has top pair. i'm getting about 3:1 just to call.


no way i check the flop, the pot is big and i have a huge hand.

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You should probably bet less on flop though in order to manipulate the pot size better for latter streets.

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how much? this is close to pot which seems right when i want to get it HU at least as you said.

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a bet of 7 will likely get you the same results.

[VashJuggalo]

I agree with most everyone, I like a smaller flop bet here, around $7-$9. It helps when your on a big draw like this and may whiff the turn, putting yourself in a tough spot when a large bet comes at you.

I think on the turn here in your example, though, it's a hard decision on that turn. It's possible that over a third of the deck is yours, making this an almost break even call when you get the rest of your stack in on the end, after that diamond, duck, or possibly the Q or A.

[neverforgetlol]

results: he had 76, no diamonds, nothing but 7 high and a gutshot. i love these tables.

[ZingyDNA]

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results: he had 76, no diamonds, nothing but 7 high and a gutshot. i love these tables.

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Don't mock his advanced play. Gunshots are frequently used to break ppl. See example below.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($377.34)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($113.12)</font>
Button ($34.33)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($83.25)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $3.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($8.50) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $7</font>, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($22.50) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, SB calls $72.25 (All-In), Hero calls $57.25.

River: ($167) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $167

[neverforgetlol]

nice pattern mapper

i now believe stars is just as fishy as party.