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NB_Gambler

01-01-2006, 10:06 PM

Villian = 48%/10%/0.49 69 hands

PokerRoom 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero ?

Duff

01-01-2006, 10:22 PM

I almost always let this go against someone with passive stats.

Barrin6

01-01-2006, 10:27 PM

call it down.

Duff

01-01-2006, 10:30 PM

What do you think villain has here that we beat?

caz

01-01-2006, 10:39 PM

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What do you think villain has here that we beat?

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Alexthegreat

01-01-2006, 10:57 PM

I would check the turn and call a bet. Looks like MP3 is on a draw, and the button could have anything from a worse A to 2 pair/AQ.

Generally, after you pick up outs to the nuts on the turn bet/folding is not a good play.

Reef

01-02-2006, 02:10 AM

set, 2pr, or str8 in that order of likelihood

W. Deranged

01-02-2006, 02:50 AM

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Generally, after you pick up outs to the nuts on the turn bet/folding is not a good play.

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True.

BUT: this doesn't mean that that should discourage us from betting. It IS true that we should tend toward passive play on the turn when we have outs. But, if we have outs AND are also likely to have the best hand, betting is generally still going to be correct. This is particularly true on a draw-heavy board where our opponent may have many outs to beat us. The only time we might consider checking is if we were in a "way ahead" situation; namely, if there were few hands our opponent could have that had a lot of outs against us (though we still might be behind).

Think of it this way:

You have a hand that is likely to be ahead. If a blank were to come on the turn, you'd bet. Instead, a card comes on the turn that on average increases your equity. Does it make sense not to bet now because our hand has become better?

Alexthegreat

01-02-2006, 04:00 AM

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You have a hand that is likely to be ahead. If a blank were to come on the turn, you'd bet. Instead, a card comes on the turn that on average increases your equity. Does it make sense not to bet now because our hand has become better?

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Do you expect the turn to be checked through? I don't.

Do you bet/call and check/fold the river if it blanks?
Or check/call the river if it blanks?

Showing this hand down becomes a priority for me after a 3-bet on the flop. Putting in 3 bets to get to showdown here is bad poker IMO.