Bethedealer casino- Is being the dealer +EV?

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I don't know if I should've posted in this forum or the math forum, move it if it doesn't belong. I remember hearing conflicting statements about whether or not being the dealer was +EV or
not. Can some one mathematically show me the EV of different "types" of BJ players.

The house takes a 1.75% commision off all dealer wins.

What is the EV...
1) gambler who is playing perfect BS (.5% HA)
2) gambler who plays near BS (1% HA)
3) from what I hear, the average BJ player (2% HA)
4) gambler on monkey tilt (around 5% HA)

[kiddj]

No, it isn't. The house takes a % of your "dealer" wins, which (I think) was significantly greater than your "house" advantage.

[Wilco666]

On some games it is slightly +EV. Just compare the HA to the commission.

BJ depends on how bad your opponents play.

[JWvonGoethe]

You also have to take into account the fact that in order to be the dealer you first have to play as the player in -EV games.

[Ken_AA]

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You also have to take into account the fact that in order to be the dealer you first have to play as the player in -EV games.

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You get dealer points while clearing the +EV bonus.

Ken

[cgwahl]

When I'm bored I like to watch people play blackjack on InterCasino. Or should I say lose money playing blackjack on InterCasino (I'm the same way at casinos, I like to watch people lose money; wierd that way I guess).

And although my sample size is small, barring the occasional player they all play their own way...which is pretty much wrong.

Sometimes they'll split tens, double done a hard 13. Hit 11. Stand on 15 when dealer is showing a ten. Hit 15 when dealer is showing a 4.

Heck I watched this one guy drop $20,000 betting $100 to $500 a hand in 15 minutes.

If the people on bethedealer are like the players on InterCasino, I would think its definately +EV. Although, it will suck if the guy playing against you has a good run.

[Wilco666]

I have seen a lot of bad BJ play at some internet casinos, but when I was playing as the dealer at BTD, about 70% of my opponents were playing perfect basic strategy. My sample size is pretty small, though.

[thomasperfecto]

Anyone know how much much the commission is so we can conclude some facts?

[136913691369]

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Anyone know how much much the commission is so we can conclude some facts?

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I stated it in the OP (1.75%).

No offense to anyone in this thread, but still no one has proved mathematically whether or not it is +EV. I'm sure it is -EV if someone is playing perfect BS and im also quite sure that it is very +EV if the person is playing at a 5% HA. What I really want to know is, at what HA does it become +EV and to see that someone is gonna have to use math.

[thomasperfecto]

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Anyone know how much much the commission is so we can conclude some facts?

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I stated it in the OP (1.75%).

No offense to anyone in this thread, but still no one has proved mathematically whether or not it is +EV. I'm sure it is -EV if someone is playing perfect BS and im also quite sure that it is very +EV if the person is playing at a 5% HA. What I really want to know is, at what HA does it become +EV and to see that someone is gonna have to use math.

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Sorry I don't know how I missed that.

In that case it is +EV
If someone plays 1000 hands of $1 each then you as dealer would expect to receive roughly $5. The house would then charge you 1.75% and so your net gain should be roughly $4.91

[BobJoeJim]

I believe the 1.75% is taken out of each hand you win, but that you eat the entire loss on each hand the player wins. If they just took a small percentage of your net profit, then it would obviously be +EV...

[BobJoeJim]

As for the math, it's hard to say exactly what EV the player needs to have to make it +EV for the dealer, since depending on how the player deviates from BS the ratios of dealer wins to player wins to blackjacks to double/split wins will vary, and those are the numbers the math would be based off of.

I think...

[Wilco666]

Most non-BJ games are slightly +EV, except Baccarat.

[JPT III]

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Most non-BJ games are slightly +EV, except Baccarat.

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You obviously mean from the dealer's perspective, after the commission, right?

What games can one elect to deal? Also, is the commission different depending on the game? If it's a steady 1.75%, roulette would clearly be +EV even if deducted from every hand, since roulette has an EV lower than -1.75% for the player.

[Wilco666]

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Most non-BJ games are slightly +EV, except Baccarat.

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You obviously mean from the dealer's perspective, after the commission, right?


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Yes.

If I remember correctly, commission on VP is slightly higher. It's all on their website.