So that wasn't the prize money on the table?

[Lawman007]

Somebody in another thread said that Technologic had posted that those bricks of money on the table had a one hundred dollar bill on each end and there were nothing but one dollar bills in the middle. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Is this true? If it is, that's a bunch of crap. Harrahs and ESPN make such a huge deal out of that being the actual prize money on the table with all the shotgun-toting guards around it.

This must be something that Harrahs started. I can't imagine Benny or Jack Binion perpetrating such a fraud on the public. Maybe Fossilman or somebody else in the know can comment on how things were at previous final tables.

[ravenfan1733]

You are correct - Binion's had the shotgun toting guards with the cardboard boxes of real money.

Harrah's probably doesn't want to sacrifice the interest income they are making. Cheap bastards.

[Photoc]

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Somebody in another thread said that Technologic had posted that those bricks of money on the table had a one hundred dollar bill on each end and there were nothing but one dollar bills in the middle. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Is this true? If it is, that's a bunch of crap. Harrahs and ESPN make such a huge deal out of that being the actual prize money on the table with all the shotgun-toting guards around it.


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First, where did you see shotgun toting guys at the Rio? Firearms were not present whatsoever in the PPV and there wasn't even really any security around the table. The table was actually set right next to the stands and one guy was clearly in view looked like he could care less that the cash was right there.

Second, watch some of the WPT episodes on DVD and put them into slo motion, you will see when the cash is dropped on the table, some wads don't even have any bills in them, just blank paper and some just have 1's.

[jayd42]

There is nothing to gain and about $12000000 to lose by putting the actual money on the table. Also, they would lose their insurance coverage if they just plopped that money down on a table in a crowded room, even with armed guards.

edit: I would also hope that they don't give the prize out in cash.

OP -

Why does this bother you so much?

[NoxKo]

Then it's stupid to put the money on the table to begin with.

Why do it if it isn't real??

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Then it's stupid to put the money on the table to begin with.

Why do it if it isn't real??

<shakes head>

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Because it makes good TV?

edit: Why put makeup on the players, or artificial lighting, or even music that isn't actually playing in the casino for that matter?

[NoxKo]

Eh, nevermind

[NoxKo]

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Its good for the fish dude. Anything that brings in more players to the game I am all for.

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I would think naked dancing showgirls would bring in more players than fake money would.

But that's just me.

[ClonexxSA]

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Its good for the fish dude. Anything that brings in more players to the game I am all for.

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I would think naked dancing showgirls would bring in more players than fake money would.

But that's just me.

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Bewbies!

[dlk9s]

Those gigantic novelty checks that sweepstakes winners receive aren't real, either. The horror.

[Vuron00]

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Those gigantic novelty checks that sweepstakes winners receive aren't real, either. The horror.

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Unless you're Happy Gilmore.

[tdp]

Yeah,how dare they.I mean,like,everything we see on tv is real dood.Everyone knows that.Santa Claus and the Easter bunny should go to the Rio and kick thier butts.

[Zetack]

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Yeah,how dare they.I mean,like,everything we see on tv is real dood.Everyone knows that.Santa Claus and the Easter bunny should go to the Rio and kick thier butts.

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When you have a reality TV show, we all know that editing can distort things. But there's a line that's real problematic to cross, and that's just outright lying about what you are seeing.

Anybody remember the controversy when ESPN was making up the whole cards that it missed?

In this case they go, and here's the first place prize money!!! Gee twelve million dollars all in one place! Have you ever seen such a sight?

If that is, in fact, not the first place prize money then there is real line crossing going on.

If they want to blur the line by making the pile of money look bigger by having the bricks only be 400 bucks instead of 50k and having more bricks, well that may be a grey area. If they're only throwing 96 thousand out there and saying its the first place prize money...then that's flat out wrong.

--Zetack

[ericicecream]

With all the deception that goes on to make it more exciting, this is what bothers you? Pretty rediculous.

When the broadcast comes out, the guy with AK vs. Gold's three dueces will probably be knocked out on the first hand. After the first commercial break will be the JJ vs. QQ hand.

[Lawman007]

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Yeah,how dare they.I mean,like,everything we see on tv is real dood.Everyone knows that.Santa Claus and the Easter bunny should go to the Rio and kick thier butts.

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When you have a reality TV show, we all know that editing can distort things. But there's a line that's real problematic to cross, and that's just outright lying about what you are seeing.

Anybody remember the controversy when ESPN was making up the whole cards that it missed?

In this case they go, and here's the first place prize money!!! Gee twelve million dollars all in one place! Have you ever seen such a sight?

If that is, in fact, not the first place prize money then there is real line crossing going on.

If they want to blur the line by making the pile of money look bigger by having the bricks only be 400 bucks instead of 50k and having more bricks, well that may be a grey area. If they're only throwing 96 thousand out there and saying its the first place prize money...then that's flat out wrong.

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My point exactly.

[Dynasty]

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Harrah's probably doesn't want to sacrifice the interest income they are making.

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A key part of Nevada gaming law is that casinos must have enough cash on hand to cover all chips in play at their casino. So, on the day of the final event, there's no chance they didn't have the money available at the Rio.

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I would also hope that they don't give the prize out in cash.

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In the past, it was common for winners to take their winnings in cash. I seriously doubt Stu Ungar even considered taking anything but cash. Ungar won $1,000,000 in 1997.

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Also, they would lose their insurance coverage if they just plopped that money down on a table in a crowded room, even with armed guards.

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I seriously doubt there's any insurance risk. Casinos commonly have massive amoounts of money moving through their casinos. They know how to handle security.

[Qwartzy]

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The table was actually set right next to the stands and one guy was clearly in view looked like he could care less that the cash was right there.

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LOL The guy you're talking about is Huck Seed.

[jayd42]

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In the past, it was common for winners to take their winnings in cash. I seriously doubt Stu Ungar even considered taking anything but cash. Ungar won $1,000,000 in 1997.

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You can't buy blow with a cheque. The smaller payouts are probably done with cash. $12 mil, probably not. There are numberous people here who can clear this up though.

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They know how to handle security.

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Exactly, and that's why they don't leave $12 mil sitting out on a table in a crowded room.

[waxie]

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Its good for the fish dude. Anything that brings in more players to the game I am all for.

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[mason55]

You have a choice of cash, chips, or check. Read the BBV post about Technologic and the pit games and he touches on it a little in there.

[ChrisJ]

Its obviously all just for show and to look good on tv. Even the armed guards - I mean what are they going to do? Fire their shotguns in a crowded room?

Personally I think the whole money on the table thing is a bit crass. I know its tradition but times change. Poker needs to stop looking so tacky sometimes.

[benfranklin]

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Personally I think the whole money on the table thing is a bit crass. I know its tradition but times change. Poker needs to stop looking so tacky sometimes.

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Words like "crass" and "tacky" are meaningless in the context of Vegas casinos. In the greater scheme of things, the money ceremony is quaint and decorous.

[Hawklet]

The shotguns aren't real either.

[benfranklin]

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The shotguns aren't real either.

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Vegas, baby. Nothing is real.

Actually, I think that they did use real guns at Binion's. At the Rio they use Super Soakers.

[rothko]

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[schundler]

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Poker needs to stop looking so tacky sometimes.

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cash will never be tacky, sorry

[Axe Man Jack]

I read in another thread that Gold was yet to collect his winnings.

However I was in the hallway during the final table when they were taping the bringing in of cash by security, Metal Milwaukees Best Briefcases as opposed to the classic cardboard boxes.
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They had no shotguns and the security appeared unarmed.

So maybe they decided to prevent the un-nesscecary risk of having 12 M on a table close enough to an exit door which a gang of motorcycle bandits could have crashed and grabbed?

Off topic, Greg The Fossilman Raymer is the most approachable and humble of all the pros I saw out there and I wish him nothing but success in the future. I didn't want to bother him but from afar saw many people approach him whom he had no problem giving face time or an autograph to. Bravo to him.
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I had the wife snap a pic near the man, who was busy accomodating one of his many appreciative fans.

[Rottersod]

I think you owe Dynasty royalties on the avatar.

[lozen]

I thought it would make for a great Oceans 13 They rip off the WSOP.

[Lawman007]

If they don't want to put the prize money out there on the table, then that's fine. However, don't put a bunch of bundled up one dollar bills out there and "ohhhh" and "ahhhhh" over it and lie to the public and tell them that it's twelve million dollars when it's not.

[BadgerPro]

So how much was the brick of money that Gold tossed into the crowd actually worth? $400? I thought he was actually tossing out a 50k brick... that sucks.

[joeboe2001]

The briefcases look just like the ones Milwaukee's Best gave away for runners-up prizes in their free tourneys earlier this year!

[Lawman007]

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So how much was the brick of money that Gold tossed into the crowd actually worth? $400? I thought he was actually tossing out a 50k brick... that sucks.

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Yep.

[jah7_fsu1]

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The briefcases look just like the ones Milwaukee's Best gave away for runners-up prizes in their free tourneys earlier this year

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Milwaukee's Best is disgusting enough in a cooler, but in a warm briefcase?! That's just nasty.

[Zetack]

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The briefcases look just like the ones Milwaukee's Best gave away for runners-up prizes in their free tourneys earlier this year

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Milwaukee's Best is disgusting enough in a cooler, but in a warm briefcase?! That's just nasty.

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Heh heh heh. Funny.

Actually they have chips in them (um...poker chips).

I have two. Although I have yet to host a poker game, so not doing me much good. Except that the host of the regular game I do play in doesn't have a dealer button so I keep bringing the dealer button from one of the sets.

[wonderwes]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/wonderwes/themoneyshot2.jpg

So this was the 2005 cash table. Was this 7.5 million or a different amount?

[sunrise]

I doubt those shotguns are even loaded. I mean they're not going to shoot someone for stealing a few hundred bucks.

Yeah there's no way Gold tossed 50K into the crowd. God you guys!!

who cares its just a symbol.

[Axe Man Jack]

Maybe Fossilman could tell us is his bricks were solid or not? I think this year is the first that they used the hollow bricks thus no need for security. Maybe they should keep it real but cart it in encased in somthing like an impenetrable Pope Mobile.

No need to mock us, and if I made the FT and saw my bricks were singles I would expose it on TV and mention it multiple times on camera.

I like trouble though, that's me.

[uter]

geez guys, next ur gonna tell me there's no f_cking easter bunny......GROW UP!

[Zetack]

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geez guys, next ur gonna tell me there's no f_cking easter bunny......GROW UP!

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Why would we want to do that? Santa might get mad...

[Admo]

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So how much was the brick of money that Gold tossed into the crowd actually worth? $400?

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If the bricks are singles wrapped with two $100's, then they are actually worth $698.

[CanadaLowball]

so when jamie gold threw that brick into the crowd, he was only tossing about $200 bucks? lolz

edit: too slow