So how did you bust out?

[n1232]

I didn't get a chance to play in the ME this year, so let me live through everyone else's painful bust outs.

[stevepa]

100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

[kevstreet]

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Turn K. River K.


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sick

[Black winter day]

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

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Only on Riverstars.You just been Fulltilted.Thanks Party.
And so on...live poker is so rigged,man /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bwana devil]

At 2am on day 1 I had about 8000. I got dealt JJ and was one off of the button. The two guys to my left were very aggressive and if it was raised 1200 to them they tended to treat it like a respectable hand and would fold but a raise of 1500 seemed like someone was trying to steal the blinds so I decided to make my stand and try and double up. I raised to 1500 and sure enough one of the guys reraised me to 3500 so I went all in. he called and had AQ. Flop looked good but a Q came on the turn and I was sent packing.

[Solitare]

I somehow managed to stay alive 11 1/2 hourse getting no cards and no flops. QQ (only my second big pair of the day) losing to a shortstack's JJ all-in crippled me. Went out 1/2 hour later when I pushed ATs with 8BBs and ran into QQ.

[Black Aces 518]

Had 16K at dinner on Day 1. Lost AK to A3 for a couple thousand chips, then lost a few thousand more with 88 on a 732 board against a LAG (almost went with it, he was floating/raising 90% of c-bets), but read strength, mucked and he showed AA. Was down to 4625, raised to 625 with AhQh. 3 callers. Flop A94, 2 diamonds. Both blinds check to me, I jam, weak-tight button overjams (only about 1K more than me), I know I am effed, blinds fold, he shows A9, turn T, river not a T or Q.

[JuntMonkey]

Disgustingly, I let my stack bleed away in order to make the money (I was in on a freeroll), so once we were ITM I only had 1-2M left. I stayed afloat for a while, then eventually with 2M UTG and KTo, I pushed. Folded to John Gale in the BB who called with AK.

[mhcmarty]

I got cooler'd, I think??

1C just after mid-night and I'm at about 9k. 1 limp from the 4th to act. I raise 4X BB from the button with AQs, both blinds fold and the limper calls. Flop comes 5AA

Check, check

Turn is 10 and makes 4 to the flush for me. Check, I bet 1/2 my stack and get called. River is a 3 not my suite. check, I push and get called by 55.

I really thought I was against an Ace that I out-kicked and villan couldn't fold.

[Double Eagle]

90 Minutes into Day 2B I have 9k after starting the day with 14k and gone completely card dead. EP raiser with 35k makes it 1600, flat called by John Smith (who has about 30k) in the CO. I have JJ on the button and jam, EP raiser thinks for quite a bit before folding what he later says is TT, Smith calls pretty quickly with AsQs.

Flop is a pretty sweet AhJsTd, but the turn is the 9s giving him 33% of the deck as outs, and out I am when the inevitable Kc is revealed on the river. The TT guy said he almost jammed to isolate which made me very sad....

[Chapdoggy]

200/400 late 1C - Small stacked down to $9600 after losing 16K flopping a set of 9's to lose to a turned set of Q's when I pick up two vlack aces UTG. I make it 1200 - big stack in BB doubles it up to 2400 and I jam the rest of my pot in to see him turn over QQ.

Flop 9S - 10S - JD

Turn - KS - Giving him the straight but leaving me lots of outs for nut flush and straight

River - 7D - And CU-Lata GG me.

[CarpeDiem]

1a around 1:30 am. Frustrating, card dead day where I was never over 10K (I was constantly behind one of the empty chair chipstacks at two different tables I was moved to!) & much tougher opposition then I am used to in my small town 10/minute level tourneys. Anyhow, down to around 4500 with blinds 200/400 50 ante. Card dead most of the table so my M was around 4. Thrilled to find even an ace dealt to me I pushed with A-5. This megastack stared me down for like 2 minutes like it was the final table and finally called me with AJ.

Still I had a blast in vegas considering I invested less then $50 total on WSOP satellites this year and got in on a $5.50 qualifier.

Not surprisingly, the deck hit me over the head in the side games. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[n1232]

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

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That's just f'n sick

[BigPoppa]

KK < 77

[Maple Leafs]

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

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Since you were eliminated, did they still enforce the ten-minute penalty for stabbing the guy?

Right before the dinner break on Day 4, my stack had just belly-flopped down from 720K (top 10 in chips) to around 100K by losing 3 straight rivered pots to the same guy.

Blinds at 3K/6K. 4 limpers to the SB who makes it 50K. I (stupidly) raise all-in with ATs. He calls with AKs. GG.

[renodoc]

Card dead for 7+ hours 1C. Got to 11K once I think. Down to 4500 100-200/25 Limp UTG with AQ looking to reraise push hoping to either take it down or race to double up. I got the race with 77 and missed. Meh.

[blacklab]

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Had 16K at dinner on Day 1. Lost AK to A3 for a couple thousand chips, then lost a few thousand more with 88 on a 732 board against a LAG (almost went with it, he was floating/raising 90% of c-bets), but read strength, mucked and he showed AA. Was down to 4625, raised to 625 with AhQh. 3 callers. Flop A94, 2 diamonds. Both blinds check to me, I jam, weak-tight button overjams (only about 1K more than me), I know I am effed, blinds fold, he shows A9, turn T, river not a T or Q.

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That's funny, that is just like how a buddy of mine got sent out.

[ravenfan1733]

Day 4. Blinds 3000/6000 1000ante. Card dead for 2 days. Have 300,000, avg stack is 340,000. EP limps. I'm in SB with 10 4 suited. I limp. BB checks. Flop 10 4 3. Check Check, EP bets 22,000, I raise to 75,000, BB folds, EP all-in. I insta-call (like an idiot) and lose to his set of 3's. Down to 25,000, out next hand with AJ suited losing to QQ in 3 way pot. Made $42,882.

[RoundTower]

I open pushed for 27BB (M=9.5) UTG with 22. I got called by Jamie Gold with TT and then had my play mocked all over the internet, but am still happy with it. Maybe I'll post it in MTT.

[Black Aces 518]

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Had 16K at dinner on Day 1. Lost AK to A3 for a couple thousand chips, then lost a few thousand more with 88 on a 732 board against a LAG (almost went with it, he was floating/raising 90% of c-bets), but read strength, mucked and he showed AA. Was down to 4625, raised to 625 with AhQh. 3 callers. Flop A94, 2 diamonds. Both blinds check to me, I jam, weak-tight button overjams (only about 1K more than me), I know I am effed, blinds fold, he shows A9, turn T, river not a T or Q.

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That's funny, that is just like how a buddy of mine got sent out.

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O RLY? I bet he's a COMPLETE donk.

[kutuz_off]

14K with 1 hour to go in day 1D. Blinds 200-400a50. UTG limps, I'm next to act and make it 1600 /images/graemlins/blush.gif to go with my QQ. Only UTG calls after some deliberation. Flop 779 with two spades, 4300 or so in the pot. UTG check-pushes my bet of 3000, and I call immediately. He had 6d7d, no miracles for me.

Should've raised more preflop.

[DemonDeac]

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I open pushed for 27BB (M=9.5) UTG with 22. I got called by Jamie Gold with TT and then had my play mocked all over the internet, but am still happy with it. Maybe I'll post it in MTT.

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thats a pretty gross play, but as long as your happy with it

[DVaut1]

Right before dinner on Day 1: AK < 77 busted me, but I was crippled a half hour before when my AA < Q9s.

[bmxreed36]

Day 2, blinds 400/800, I only have about 12k after posting big blind. EP limps, humongous stack limps on button, SB completes, I check with T4o. Flop T62r, EP limper bets 2k into a 4200 pot (looks to me like a feeler bet with a low-mid pp) big stack calls on button (he could pretty much have anything), I decide there's a good chance I have the best hand and push for another 10k to take it down. First guy agonizes for quite awhile and folds. Big stack thinks forever and finally calls with JT. Ace on turn actually gave me a few outs to split it but river blanked.

[fnurt]

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I open pushed for 27BB (M=9.5) UTG with 22. I got called by Jamie Gold with TT and then had my play mocked all over the internet, but am still happy with it. Maybe I'll post it in MTT.

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Since most of my posts are from MTT, I'll just offer my opinion that I don't think 22 is playable UTG with that stack size. With a significantly smaller or larger stack, yes.

[betgo]

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I open pushed for 27BB (M=9.5) UTG with 22. I got called by Jamie Gold with TT and then had my play mocked all over the internet, but am still happy with it. Maybe I'll post it in MTT.

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Since most of my posts are from MTT, I'll just offer my opinion that I don't think 22 is playable UTG with that stack size. With a significantly smaller or larger stack, yes.

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It is certainly playable UTG with 27xBB, but for a limp or maybe a small raise. Folding is OK too. It depends on your style and the table. I would probably limp and not mind too much if I got pushed off the hand for 1xBB. I might even limpriase allin with it if the conditions were right.

The push is of course terrible and suicidal. There was some fish who pushed UTG for 27xBB with A8s with 2 or 3 table left. I don't understand why people make plays like that. I suppose that you steal the blinds a lot because people think you must have AK or JJ or something. Some people don't know how to play postflop and maybe have a hard time folding a decent hand in early position.

Incidently, pushing 22 for 27xBB M of 9 or whatever is cEV+ from CO or later. You might even be able to push from one position earlier. From late position, open pushing is not a terrible way to play 22, but you could also raise or limp.

[THEOSU]

steve,

things are a lot more fun when you're making quads with underpairs, eh?

[Matt24]

day 3, I have 115k or so, over average, 950 left.

Sabyl raises to 4 or 5k in the cutoff for the third strait time, I call out of bb with 98s. Flop QJT, i check, she bets 8k, I make it 24k, she calls. Turn 5 which gives me flush draw, I shove, she calls with AK, I don't catch up. Down to 15k. Get all in with A5 vs 67 and go out 907th. bunch of work for nothing

[Everybody Lurks]

Miscalculated my M by 1.2 to turn what would have been a marginal push into an awful one with Ace-rag in MP. Called and busted by TT in the SB. Gonna make these moves a bit more slowly in the future /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[LearnedfromTV]

Key hand: I have ~25K in the 250/500/50 level. Folded to me, I raise to $1700 in CO w/ QQ. BB only caller. Flop AQ8. He checks, I bet 3K, he checkraises to I don't remember how much, I push, he calls with no-[censored]-way AA. I cover him by 2000 chips.

Bust hand: 300/600/75 level, I push A2o in the CO with 10K (M=6). SB calls with AK and holds.

[betgo]

[ QUOTE ]
Key hand: I have ~25K in the 250/500/50 level. Folded to me, I raise to $1700 in CO w/ QQ. BB only caller. Flop AQ8. He checks, I bet 3K, he checkraises to I don't remember how much, I push, he calls with no-[censored]-way AA. I cover him by 2000 chips.

Bust hand: 300/600/75 level, I push A2o in the CO with 10K (M=6). SB calls with AK and holds.

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Don't like the A2o push for 17xBB even with the ante.

[Bigdaddydvo]

Busted about 3 hours in. David Singer is at my table, seeing plenty of flops and making life miserable on all of us (Steve I really needed to hunt you down during the break to see how you handled him).

At 50/100, after being as high as 12K, I'm at 9600 after losing a 2K pot to Singer. A couple guys limped including Singer, and the SB, an Asian kid from Australia who seemed pretty weak/solid made it 700 to go. I call with 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif9 /images/graemlins/club.gif figuring that if the limpers fold, it should be an easy hand to play in position. The limpers do fold. To the flop.

Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif BB overbets the pot with 2600, I think his bet screams big pair and call.

Turn is 4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, he bets 3500 and I push. After ten seconds he calls and shows A /images/graemlins/spade.gifA /images/graemlins/club.gif. I stand up and say "No Spade" but the K /images/graemlins/spade.gif sent me packing. Oh well, 76% to win, but who's counting.

[F0LD--IT]

With blinds 3k-6k and a 1k anti with the average stack at 350k, JAMIE GOLD raised my bb to 25k from the button. Flop was 3-6-9 rainbow. I push my last 120k with 8-8 and he insta calls and turns over 6-3 of hearts, turn is Ace, and river Jack. gimme my 42k im headed home.

[pokergrader]

About an hour after the bubble burst I am in the hijack with about 25k in chips, blinds are 1k/2k/300.

Folds to me, I push with AJo. SB calls with AK, BB repushes with AK, SB Calls. I dont get there and I don't think it was the best play.

But the silver lining was that since our table was way in the middle of the room, I was standing up for a while after busting and by the time the escort got to me I was given 774th place, the first spot in a slighly higher payout.

[betgo]

[ QUOTE ]
About an hour after the bubble burst I am in the hijack with about 25k in chips, blinds are 1k/2k/300.

Folds to me, I push with AJo. SB calls with AK, BB repushes with AK, SB Calls. I dont get there and I don't think it was the best play.

But the silver lining was that since our table was way in the middle of the room, I was standing up for a while after busting and by the time the escort got to me I was given 774th place, the first spot in a slighly higher payout.

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I like this push. Given your late position, if you make a small raise, you would probably be right to call a reraise. In this case, with action from two players, you probably could fold.

[Halo7]

Mine was pretty donkish. Day 1D. 50-100 blinds. I have about 12K. 2 limpers in front of me so I call with QTo in the hijack. Button calls too, so 6 of us see the QT3 rainbow flop. Checks around to me, I bet 500. Button (who barely has me covered) makes it 1500. The player is good enough that he could be raising me with any pair or a draw since it probably looked like I was betting in position. I make it 3500 to go. He pushes and I think about it for about 30 secs (shoulda taken longer) and call. He shows me ......33 of course, which I knew before he even turned it over. The whole point of deep stacks is so you can get away from hands like this, and this was the one player at my table who I respected the most too. Playing 1000 turbo SNGs a month warps your idea of what a good hand is regardless of stacks hehe. Maybe next year. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Halo7

[CieloAzor]

~1000 people left on Day 3
Blinds at 800/1600, 200 ante
I have ~30k in the BB after posting

Folds around to active big stack in the SB who raises to 5 or 5.5k (don't remember exactly). I look down at Ad9d, which is certainly ahead of his raising range, which I assume could be rather large or even all-encompassing. I move all-in and he calls easily with AJo. 5 bricks and I'm gone.

[timm_]

Last level of day1a, 200/400+50 blinds. About 1h15m left of the day.

I had lost a few pretty big pots in the last hour (had 41K to the dinner break, top was about 55K), and I was at about 38K (not 100% sure about the exact count, about close ballpark figure)

Loose and tricky player utg makes it 3xBB to 1200, folded to utg+3 who makes it 3K. I'm next, and make it 10K with AsAh. It's folded around to utg+3 who instantly throws the all-in button in the pot, and I make the obvious call.

utg+3 shows JJ, and the doorcard is one of this two outs. Yey. Board 4 flushes clubs, but I was missing the Ac /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Had about 5K left after that pot, and after folding a few hands, I push the same orbit utg with Ah8h, get called by KK, and the flopped flushdraw gets me nowhere.

[CieloAzor]

Sounds like that should've been a pretty easy fold for JJ. Oh well, no justice in poker I guess.

[timm_]

One would think so, but this dude was destined to go broke one way or the other. Just too bad I couldn't get his money when he was giving them away for free like that.

Just a few nutty things he did:
- Managed to build a 10K+blinds pot preflop with 22 (re-raised a raise, and called off 6K or so after the original raiser pushed)
- Check-called to the river with A9o on AT8xx board for what ended up as a 35+K pot.
- Min-raiset a raise that had two callers with 8c3c

The weird thing was, he had shown me a lot of respect earlier, and I was never in a pot messing around (that they knew of, anyway). He folded atleast twice to my re-raises earlier, and both those times I ended up showing big hands.

Nasty way to go in my first ever ME, but hey -- getting to Vegas for $70 and having the time of my life wasn't such a bad deal once I got over the badbeat /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Evigt_Drabbad]

doubled up early in level 1, then i more or less blinded and anted away most of my chips with couple unsuccesful stealattemps, last hand was 88 i make a standard openingraise and the chipleader calls, flop 662 (rainbow) i bet just below pot and he calls, turn 3 im potcommited and dont have that many chips left i push the rest in and he calls and flips over JJ river was x and im out, but hey i got to play about 12 hours and had a blast.
won a $16 satellite so im not complaining :>

[mlagoo]

AK<AT for 22k pot at 100/200/25, allin preflop about an hour after dinner break. T on turn.

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AK<AT for 22k pot at 100/200/25, allin preflop about an hour after dinner break. T on turn.

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Um, effective stacks? This sounds gross.

[mlagoo]

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AK<AT for 22k pot at 100/200/25, allin preflop about an hour after dinner break. T on turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

Um, effective stacks? This sounds gross.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah it was stupid. i posted about it in the day thread, but who doesn't love to tell their own bad beat stories?

i'm in the small blind (i had been raising fairly regularly since the antes kicked in) with 11k behind, BB covered with like 30-40k total. he was a "cowboy" who was getting wasted from the beginning of the day, and playing ridiculously (incidentally, i would see him later that week -- he was still in on day 4, i believe, with like 400k. sigh.).

anyway it folds to me in the SB, i look down at AK, and say "don't be mad" as i raise to t800. he says "well let me see what i've got first," looks down, thinks for a bit, and raises to 3600. i think for like 5 seconds and push. he thinks for less time than that and calls. i show AK, he busts out a big grin as he shows AT. T on turn. he apologizes. i say that's poker, leave, and go chain smoke in frustration.

[DVO]

Day 2, half an hour after the dinner break.

Card dead all day, my stack has dwindled from 36k to 20k.

I remember my 'M' was 5 so it must have been something like 800/1600 200 ante..

Folded to sb (25k or so) who raises to 4k. I had been at the table for only an hour but he struck me as a weak player.

I push from the BB with As3s. He insta calls with TT.

Picked up the flush draw on the turn, but missed all of my 12 outs. Busto.

I've been beating myself up ever since. This guy was probably too weak to steal, even from the SB. I should have known he had a hand.

I wonder what others think of this. Meh, not good, or awful?

[theblitz]

[ QUOTE ]
Turn K. River K.

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RIGGED!!!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[grafyx]

I have about 6k at the 150/300 level. It folds to the SB who makes it 1000. I have JJ. I just push it in since there is already about 2k in the pot. While SB is thinking, I count down my stack and give him the exact count. Then the dealer takes my chips and does another count. Finally after what seems like forever, he says "OK, I call." Because of how long he was thinking for, I think there is no way I have the worst hand and this is probably a coin flip. Of course, I'm wrong he flips over AA...gg me.

[stevepa]

[ QUOTE ]
Since you were eliminated, did they still enforce the ten-minute penalty for stabbing the guy?

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No penalties once you're out...:) The funniest part was I walk to the rail and get stopped by some guy and the following conversation ensues:

Guy: "Were you at that table over there?"
Me: "Yeah..."
Guy: "My son Matt is at that table!"
Me: "Oh..."
Guy: "He said you won some tournament."
Me: "Yep..."
Guy: "I saw him shaking his head when you got knocked out, did something really bad happen?" (He has a huge grin on his face)
Guy's wife: "Honey, not now..." (Grin fades from his face and I leave as fast as possible.)

OSU,

yes, making quads is much much more fun...I miss it. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Steve

[mlagoo]

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I have about 6k at the 150/300 level. It folds to the SB who makes it 1000. I have JJ. I just push it in since there is already about 2k in the pot. While SB is thinking, I count down my stack and give him the exact count. Then the dealer takes my chips and does another count. Finally after what seems like forever, he says "OK, I call." Because of how long he was thinking for, I think there is no way I have the worst hand and this is probably a coin flip. Of course, I'm wrong he flips over AA...gg me.

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sick! what a weirdo!

on another note, it was good to meet you grafyx. you seem like a good fellow. it was interesting seeing our different styles of play at that first table in the caesar's tournament. i wish i were that patient -- i think i'd have more money!

[bingobongo]

end of day one,card dead after dinner for several hours,down to about 20BB. after having been folding for several rotations i decide to make a steal from the button,even before seeing my hand,on a purely situational basis. as i hoped it folded to me and i raised to 3BB only BB calling Flop AJx rainbow. i have J5o. he checks i Cbet 3BB he calls.turn J. he checks i check. river brick.he checks i bet like 4BB he raises i push.
he had AA.
ship me home...

[People_Mover]

Day 2, 300/600 w/75 ante. UTG(100K+) raises to 2200, I(36K) make it 6700 with QQ, folds back to him and tanks for a minute and he shoves. I sit there for like 2 minutes and I'm waiting for a clock to be called on me. I close my eyes and my hands hit the chips and there were in the middle. He had AA. I almost folded. Almost. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[flatiron88]

slow rolling you with the AA... must have been raised by a nanny or something and hated his mother.

[DocMartin]

straight loses to rivered flush twice leaving me with 4500 just before the dinner break.

100/200 with AA in SB. One aggro mp limper, I raise to 600, mp calls. Flop 2A3r, check (looking to c/r his likely bet), check. Turn T bet 1K, mp pushes (has me more than covered) and I call. I flip over my set of Aces, he sighs and turns over 75o and proceeds to river a 4 for the straight.

[jah7_fsu1]

****
Final Table Heads Up: I hold JcKc in the small blind and limp heads up against Johnny Chan. Flop comes Qc10c9c. I bet the pot, Chan thinks for a second and flat calls. I move all in on the turn despite a small pot with a ton of chips left for both of us (I have 1 more chip than him (don't ask how that happened it just did). Chan smiles wearing his weird ass designer shirt and says, I think your on a draw. I smile and say "you call and it'll be all over baby" Chan calls and flips over the Ac7c for the nut flush.
****

Good stories so far guys, sounds like we took some sick beats, but I'm sure everyone enjoyed the experience.

[LearnedfromTV]

[ QUOTE ]
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Key hand: I have ~25K in the 250/500/50 level. Folded to me, I raise to $1700 in CO w/ QQ. BB only caller. Flop AQ8. He checks, I bet 3K, he checkraises to I don't remember how much, I push, he calls with no-[censored]-way AA. I cover him by 2000 chips.

Bust hand: 300/600/75 level, I push A2o in the CO with 10K (M=6). SB calls with AK and holds.

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Don't like the A2o push for 17xBB even with the ante.

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Obviously I've thought about it a great deal and I don't like busting that way. I did do some math in the hotel room afterward and with calling ranges of AK-AT, 66+, which was definitely too loose for at least two of the three behind me, it's +EV ~400-500 chips. I still question it though. At the table, I nearly folded, and walking out I felt like a [censored].

I'd been push-or-fold for about an hour and a half since the QQQ hand (had just recently won a flip to get my head above water); I think that may have affected my psychology.

[SavageMiser]

Day 3, money bubble gone. Stack pretty unhealthy, around 30k. Blinds $2,400/$1,200, ante $300. I get the red QQ UTG+2. Raise it to $8,000, folded to the button, who calls. Flop xxx, I check, button pushes, I call and get shown AA. I actually have him covered by about three chips, which go in the pot next hand. My JTo is live, but one opponent's AK turns into trips.

[KSakuraba]

PTOING (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=6783411&page=)

[betgo]

[ QUOTE ]
I showed up a half hour late. Folded ten four off my first hand. My second hand I busted. Fun times.

I posted the hand on my blog (link in profile) in a post called 'Results' if anybody wants to checkout the hand. The comments section had a lot of debate on the merits of the hand, I still like my play but meh. Next year should be fun.

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Took a look at your blog. That's the way to go out, as a solid favorite on the second hand. I think you had 20 outs.
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1906111
pokenum -h 8s 6s - ah ad -- 7s 6c 5s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 7s 5s 6c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 6s 640 64.65 332 33.54 18 1.82 0.656
Ad Ah 332 33.54 640 64.65 18 1.82 0.344

[PairTheBoard]

3 hours into the Tournament. 8500 chips. 50-100 blinds. 1 hour sleep the night before. Digesting sandwich eaten on first break. Raise to 400 with AK in early position. One caller behind me. Flop Q64 all hearts. I bet 600. He raises 2000. I can't remember if I have a heart. I double check the cards on the flop since I should have gotten a new pair of glasses before the Tournament. I'm pretty sure they are all hearts. I look at my hole cards and say to myself that if I don't have a heart it's an easy laydown. I have the Ace of hearts. Someone's hand reaches for my chips and plops them into the middle of the table while I hear myself say, "All in". My opponent asks for a count, the dealer says it's 5000 more to him, he thinks for a couple of beats and says, "oh hell I call", turning over AQ both spades. Turn and River bring no Heart no King.

As it turned out I was getting 1.28-1 odds on my 7500 chip push and I was a 1.28-1 dog on the draw. I'm not too unhappy with that. He didn't have me covered by much and could have folded to the raise - although I don't think there was much folding equity with his hand.

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I agree. Arguments against said the field was so bad, the stacks so deep and levels so long that it was better to wait it out for less risk.

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mehhh

youd be crazy to pass up a 65/35

[scottc25]

Last hand of Level 4, Day 1D ($100/$200 $25)

I have $9,800, Villan has me covered with $16,000. I get k,k one off of the button. EP villan raises to $1025. This was a huge raise for him as before he was raising 3.5x the bb.

To me this screams of a middle pair. I re-raise him to $2800 and he immediately pushes all-in. I think for a minute to make sure I caught everything right and call.

He flips over q,q. First card off of the deck..... q. Done.

[MafiaPrince]

I think you wrote this hand wrong...seeing as how if you had what you said you had you flopped a straight flush...thus beating the A-high flush..

[DonT77]

Not really enough for a full trip report, so I'll post this here-


I started Day 1B with 10,000 chips. For the first 6 hours I had very few playable hands and when I did play a hand I usually missed the flop. I won a pot or two on resteals from LP vs a suspect MP raises to keep me afloat for a while, but my stack eventually melted down to 4900 before I won a decent pot (I bluffed with 55 on an Ace high flop) to get back to 7500. Then I got KK and won 3000 chips from a guy who went all-in with 76s on a short stack. My stack peaked at 12700 after winning with another bluff (I open-raised in LP with KJs and bluffed all-in on an Ace high flop having the 2nd nut flush draw), but that would be the last nice pot I'd win.

In the last 4 hours I didn't play more than a hand or two. My cards were garbage and I just didn't see many opportunities for moves. One time, with 8500 chips left and blinds at 150/300/25a I had 99 (which was one of the best hands I'd seen all day), and some guy who had only played one hand (which was AA) in the last few hours open-raised to 1000 from early position and another guy who had only played one hand in the last few hour re-raised to 2500. I had to fold 99. Of course, a 9 flopped.

My bustout hand was also disappointing-
I had KQs with 5600 chips (I was losing all of my chips to blinds an antes which were now 200/400/50a - so each round was costing me 1100 chips) and I raised to 1500 from middle position expecting to win the blinds on image alone. A very wild player in the big blind put me all-in, and it was 4100 to call to win (1100+1500+5200) so I called. The big blind had 22 (!?). I flopped a King and was in good shape until a 2 came on the river ending my WSOPME dreams for 2006.

I played for 11.5 hours, almost making it through the first day (busted at 2:30AM). The cards just weren't there for me. In 11.5 hours I never had more than Top Pair after the flop (no sets, no trips, no 2 pair, no straights, no straight draws, no flushes, etc.) and I only had better than 99 for a starting hand twice. I made a few plays when I sensed weakness to be able to survive as long as I did. I'm not sure if I could have done much more. I was disappointed with my results obviously, but didn't regret any plays that I made (I just wonder if there were some opportunities to use my bad cards/tight image that I missed).

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I agree. Arguments against said the field was so bad, the stacks so deep and levels so long that it was better to wait it out for less risk.

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youd be crazy to pass up a 65/35

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Not only that, but he had fold equity too... you'd have to be crazy not to push that.

First hour of the WSOP, you have AA, flop comes 765 with 2 of a suit... are you prepared to go broke on that flop? I suspect most good players would not be.

[Assani Fisher]

Guy in EP raises to 3000, I re raise to 10,000 with AK from MP. He puts me all in for 19,000 total. I call of course, He has TT and wins. I think it was a pretty weak play since hes either a huge dog or slight favorite, but oh well.

[MrFizzbin]

I had Shannon Elizabeth at my table (not relevant just a shameless brag...)

2nd hand after the dinner break w 7700 left in stack. 100-200 and 25. I get KK. make it 800 to go. BB makes it 1600, I go to 3200 he smooth calls. Flop comes J-8-5. he checks, I bet all in, he calls AA. I should have known better I got what I deserved. Oh well /images/graemlins/frown.gif Did finish 9th in one of the Bellagio cup events though so the trip wasnt a total loss....

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Final Table Heads Up: I hold JcKc in the small blind and limp heads up against Johnny Chan. Flop comes Qc10c9c. I bet the pot, Chan thinks for a second and flat calls. I move all in on the turn despite a small pot with a ton of chips left for both of us (I have 1 more chip than him (don't ask how that happened it just did). Chan smiles wearing his weird ass designer shirt and says, I think your on a draw. I smile and say "you call and it'll be all over baby" Chan calls and flips over the Ac7c for the nut flush.
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Um, lies? In this hand, you would have had a straight flush.

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Wait, you mean the fact that he was heads up v Johnny Chan at the final table didn't tip you off first?

[Hotrod0823]

Had a roller coaster afternoon took my stack from 10k to 15k back down to 3k and then back to 18k at dinner.

Creeped up to 22k when I made stupid play with QQ vs KK and was knocked down to 12k. Dropped a few more when my raises were getting repopped by the guy to my left with my chips.

I was down to 7500 or so and we were half way into level five. A LAG with about 30k in chips raises to 1100 from UTG+1 a loose/passive caller with 25k just calls and I have TT in the SB and PUSH.

The BB (dude with all my chips from earlier hands) just looks at my chips in the middle and says " I'll call that" and points. Confused by the call/pointing the rest of the table folds and we are heads up and he has me covered.

He tables AKx and I have TT, flop rags, turn Q and the river is an A.

After arriving in Vegas at 12:00 that morning (3am Eastern time) to find out my start day had been changed to 1A from 1B and playing from 12 noon 'til midnight and losing a flip on a rivered A it was a tough day all around.

[mikeymer]

Okay I'll play this game.

2am, day 1C, im sitting at about 48k and make it 1200 with AKo. Dimitri Nobles, who I cover by 13k repops instantly, as he did so much to 6k. I think about my options, and folding is not one of them. I can call and check fold a missed flop - I hate that. I can reraise again without pushing, or I can overbet all in (Pot had almost 8k). I was ahead of his range, and I wanted to put the pressure on, so I pushed and he called with QQ and asked if I had KK. I flipped my AKo and he outraced me. BTW there was a hypothetical situation like this brought up in the MTT forum before the ME started.

Out early in the 2nd day AK v JJ.

GG mman_status.

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Okay I'll play this game.

2am, day 1C, im sitting at about 48k and make it 1200 with AKo. Dimitri Nobles, who I cover by 13k repops instantly, as he did so much to 6k. I think about my options, and folding is not one of them. I can call and check fold a missed flop - I hate that. I can reraise again without pushing, or I can overbet all in (Pot had almost 8k). I was ahead of his range, and I wanted to put the pressure on, so I pushed and he called with QQ and asked if I had KK. I flipped my AKo and he outraced me. BTW there was a hypothetical situation like this brought up in the MTT forum before the ME started.

Out early in the 2nd day AK v JJ.

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FWIW I think you have to ask yourself if he'd re-pop 6K with AQ or AJ. I know that some players would btw but if not then I'd call. If a semi scary flop comes you may be able to move him off a pair.

I don't think the all in pre-flop is terrible though and I'd often play it the same way.

[gcDanno]

Last year, no cards period. This year, i had cards preflop. Postflop, i just couldn't connect. And when i did, i got rivered.

big hands...
first hand; hit a set of 2's; won about 1k;
few hands later; turned a str8; won about 2k;

got up to about 14k with 2 total bluffs when i flopped air; then the wheels fell off;

i had AA 6 times in 8 hours; only saw 1 flop;
i had KK twice; won both hands (blinds and a small pot)
QQ twice; won both times small pots
JJ twice; lost both;
first JJ 50/100; raised 3x (from button; BB calls); flop AAK; yuk; chk/chk; turn J; (woot); i bet .8 pot; called; river Ace! chk/chk; opp shows KT for rivered boat;

second JJ; raised limper; flop KQx; limper leads out pot size bed; i muck.

3rd hour; we have a very active agg player added to the table; he raises 3x utg (does so often with many cards). button calls; and i call in the SB with AJs; flop Axx; i chk expecting aggro player to bet so i can chk raise; it goes chk/chk; grrrrrrrr; turn Q; i fire an almost pot size bet; aggro player folds; button calls; river T; i bet out same bet as turn; button calls; shows QT; another river; this pot takes me down to near 4k

another big stack agg player is added; after about 20 hands with him, he makes it 800 in MP with blinds 100/200/25; LP calls; i push QQ from the BB; ALL fold! i was so hoping to dbl up, but a win is a win i guess.

NEXT HAND; i have AA in SB; now i'm up to close to 6k in chips; 4 limpers to me; i need chips; so instead of pushing; i raise it 6x to 1200; 2 callers; flop KQ9; being so short stacked; i pushed; first player calls with JT; turn 9 giving me hope; river bricks, and i'm done.

i guess i should have slowed down on that flop; so many hands are ahead of AA there. oh well. i see 1 flop in 6 with AA and the opp flops a str8.

gc

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Wow. I was happy with how I played but I really coulda used some cards to go along. 7 1/2 levels of playing and I had AA once (double up), KK 0 times, QQ twice (won one, lost one), and JJ 0 times.

[gcDanno]

My table was so super tight in the early going that there just were no big pots that i was involved in with the good preflop cards.

I'm sure people thought i was looser than i really was. I made really only 1 mistake that cost me about 4k. I limped with 88 in EP, and pushed on the turn when i hit my set; unfortunatly, the small stack that i was playing against hit a str8 on my 8.

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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i had AA 6 times in 8 hours; only saw 1 flop;
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Wow. I was happy with how I played but I really coulda used some cards to go along. 7 1/2 levels of playing and I had AA once (double up), KK 0 times, QQ twice (won one, lost one), and JJ 0 times.

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Heheh, 4.5 levels for me KK(won blinds yipee) - 1 time, no AA,QQ,JJ ugh

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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Say what? Why wouldn't an Ace win it for him too? There are 2 aces and 2 kings left in the deck, so he's about 8% to hit on the turn.

On the flop he's drawing a lot thinner than 9% too. Unless he's got a backdoor flush draw there are only 5 turn cards which will give him a draw to a 4 outer. So that would be odds of 5/45 * 4/44 = 1% chance on the flop, or the equivalent to a 0.25 out draw.

Not sure if this was a joke post maybe but if so I don't get the sarcasm.

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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Dude you have like every aspect of this hand wrong. Trust me I am right on the river he has 4 outs.

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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Say what? Why wouldn't an Ace win it for him too? There are 2 aces and 2 kings left in the deck, so he's about 8% to hit on the turn.

On the flop he's drawing a lot thinner than 9% too. Unless he's got a backdoor flush draw there are only 5 turn cards which will give him a draw to a 4 outer. So that would be odds of 5/45 * 4/44 = 1% chance on the flop, or the equivalent to a 0.25 out draw.

Not sure if this was a joke post maybe but if so I don't get the sarcasm.

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Wow you are wrong also, his odds aren't that bad on the flop, remember an A on the turn or river is already 2 outs, so he definately has more odds than what you listed.

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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Say what? Why wouldn't an Ace win it for him too? There are 2 aces and 2 kings left in the deck, so he's about 8% to hit on the turn.

On the flop he's drawing a lot thinner than 9% too. Unless he's got a backdoor flush draw there are only 5 turn cards which will give him a draw to a 4 outer. So that would be odds of 5/45 * 4/44 = 1% chance on the flop, or the equivalent to a 0.25 out draw.

Not sure if this was a joke post maybe but if so I don't get the sarcasm.

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Wow you are wrong also, his odds aren't that bad on the flop, remember an A on the turn or river is already 2 outs, so he definately has more odds than what you listed.

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OK let me visualize the hand for you -

A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Board

Bad beat poster T /images/graemlins/club.gif 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Other Guy A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif K /images/graemlins/heart.gif

So after the flop their hands Are pair of 55s with AKT kicker
and Trip 5s with T, ace kicker. If an ace comes, the trips turn into a full house, and the pair of fives turn into two pair. But a king came. So he has KK55A - two pair. an ace on the river gives him 55AAK. So he needs the running kings on the turn and river so that it is 555AT vs. KKK55.

[ReptileHouse]

This is gold.

[kutuz_off]

Poker is hard

[riverrchic]

wow. Is my sarcasm meter broken?

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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Say what? Why wouldn't an Ace win it for him too? There are 2 aces and 2 kings left in the deck, so he's about 8% to hit on the turn.

On the flop he's drawing a lot thinner than 9% too. Unless he's got a backdoor flush draw there are only 5 turn cards which will give him a draw to a 4 outer. So that would be odds of 5/45 * 4/44 = 1% chance on the flop, or the equivalent to a 0.25 out draw.

Not sure if this was a joke post maybe but if so I don't get the sarcasm.

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Wow you are wrong also, his odds aren't that bad on the flop, remember an A on the turn or river is already 2 outs, so he definately has more odds than what you listed.

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OK let me visualize the hand for you -

A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Board

Bad beat poster T /images/graemlins/club.gif 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Other Guy A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif K /images/graemlins/heart.gif

So after the flop their hands Are pair of 55s with AKT kicker
and Trip 5s with T, ace kicker. If an ace comes, the trips turn into a full house, and the pair of fives turn into two pair. But a king came. So he has KK55A - two pair. an ace on the river gives him 55AAK. So he needs the running kings on the turn and river so that it is 555AT vs. KKK55.

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Man are you dumb beenben? Like seriously? I keep looking at this over and over again. After the flop steve has trips, the other guy has 2 pair A's and 5's, so if an A comes on either the turn or river the other guy will have 3A's and 2 5's and steve will have 3 5's and 2 A's, Aces full of 5's beats 5's full of Aces, this is horrible that you can't understand this

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OK let me visualize the hand for you -

A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Board

Bad beat poster T /images/graemlins/club.gif 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Other Guy A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif K /images/graemlins/heart.gif

So after the flop their hands Are pair of 55s with AKT kicker
and Trip 5s with T, ace kicker. If an ace comes, the trips turn into a full house, and the pair of fives turn into two pair. But a king came. So he has KK55A - two pair. an ace on the river gives him 55AAK. So he needs the running kings on the turn and river so that it is 555AT vs. KKK55.

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I didn't think calculator would load at work, but it did. I hope you can read the results without "visualization".

Flop:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1925975
pokenum -h 5d tc - as kc -- ac 5s 5h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5s Ac 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 5d 902 91.11 88 8.89 0 0.00 0.911
As Kc 88 8.89 902 91.11 0 0.00 0.089.

Turn:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1925977
pokenum -h 5d tc - as kc -- ac 5s 5h kd
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing 5s Ac Kd 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 5d 40 90.91 4 9.09 0 0.00 0.909
As Kc 4 9.09 40 90.91 0 0.00 0.091

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Tc 5d 902 91.11 88 8.89 0 0.00 0.911
As Kc 88 8.89 902 91.11 0 0.00 0.089.


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that's what I said in my original post.

and the rest of it, i don't know i'm tired. I rechecked and your're right. never mind.

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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Say what? Why wouldn't an Ace win it for him too? There are 2 aces and 2 kings left in the deck, so he's about 8% to hit on the turn.

On the flop he's drawing a lot thinner than 9% too. Unless he's got a backdoor flush draw there are only 5 turn cards which will give him a draw to a 4 outer. So that would be odds of 5/45 * 4/44 = 1% chance on the flop, or the equivalent to a 0.25 out draw.

Not sure if this was a joke post maybe but if so I don't get the sarcasm.

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Wow you are wrong also, his odds aren't that bad on the flop, remember an A on the turn or river is already 2 outs, so he definately has more odds than what you listed.

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OK let me visualize the hand for you -

A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Board

Bad beat poster T /images/graemlins/club.gif 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Other Guy A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif K /images/graemlins/heart.gif

So after the flop their hands Are pair of 55s with AKT kicker
and Trip 5s with T, ace kicker. If an ace comes, the trips turn into a full house, and the pair of fives turn into two pair. But a king came. So he has KK55A - two pair. an ace on the river gives him 55AAK. So he needs the running kings on the turn and river so that it is 555AT vs. KKK55.

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I am still trying to figure out if this is a joke or not.

[happyjaypee]

I got angled by Kathy liebert...

see other thread here: Kathy Liebert's Angle (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=6975794&an=0&page=0# Post6975794)

[BraveJayhawk]

Day 4

2K/4K

3 players limp... I moved in for 98K in an attempt to pick up the blinds and antees with T9o. 3rd limper called with AJo, flopped an Ace.

[Tyler Durden]

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Day 4

2K/4K

3 players limp... I moved in for 98K in an attempt to pick up the blinds and antees with T9o. 3rd limper called with AJo, flopped an Ace.

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this doesn't seem like a good play.

[betgo]

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Day 4

2K/4K

3 players limp... I moved in for 98K in an attempt to pick up the blinds and antees with T9o. 3rd limper called with AJo, flopped an Ace.

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this doesn't seem like a good play.

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It's not that bad. 98K to win a 21K pot. If you pick up the pot half the time, and you win 37% when called, you are even. I would rather have a little stronger hand to make this play with though, not a big hand, but a typical restealing hand.

[krille]

If its a move-in from the BB you also have to consider that sometimes you will win the 21k by just checking and flopping good.

[betgo]

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If its a move-in from the BB you also have to consider that sometimes you will win the 21k by just checking and flopping good.

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There is some value in seeing a flop in the BB with T9o, but it is probably worth like 2000 chips to you. The push may or may not be cEV+ or $EV+, but it is a borderline play, similar to an open push steal or a push resteal. Tyler's response implied it was a real donk play, which it wasn't.

[Milo]

Overplayed KK. No suckouts. No bad rivers. No bad beats. Was chip leader at the table with 24K to start round 4. Had played well (even check-raised Barry Greenstein twice, admittedly with the best hand) and was doing well. Reraised with KK, got called, dude flopped a set on me and played well. I played poorly.

[rothko]

i wasn't even there, why are you asking me?

[Jay1]

nasty

[betgo]

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straight loses to rivered flush twice leaving me with 4500 just before the dinner break.

100/200 with AA in SB. One aggro mp limper, I raise to 600, mp calls. Flop 2A3r, check (looking to c/r his likely bet), check. Turn T bet 1K, mp pushes (has me more than covered) and I call. I flip over my set of Aces, he sighs and turns over 75o and proceeds to river a 4 for the straight.

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I wouldn't say your play was bad, but it is easy to go out with AA, since you are looking for action.

Your raise to 3xBB at the limper is a tell. Of course, he might have folded 75o to a larger raise.

You might not have checked the flop with a weaker hand.

[Superfluous Man]

QQ < KK all-in preflop for like 33 BBs like 3 hours into day 2. Standard.