Mansion Casino 100% $1000 bonus

[thomasperfecto]

Has anyone here done this?
I was thinking of having crack but not sure if I should risk it. My current BR is about $1800

[Ainex]

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I was thinking of having crack

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Don't do drugs. My spam of the day.

[Frogic]

The bonus is pretty good playing european roulette(Blackjack after it is promoted). Do not go play it if you have a 1800 bankroll, your bankroll risk of ruin is going to be excessively high.

Frogic

[thomasperfecto]

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The bonus is pretty good playing european roulette(Blackjack after it is promoted). Do not go play it if you have a 1800 bankroll, your bankroll risk of ruin is going to be excessively high.

Frogic

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Yeah thats what I thought. I'll give it a miss for a while especialy after my bankroll just dropped to $1000 after a bad weekend!

[Jarekb]

I was also thinking of doing this bonus and my BR is around 2500. Putting that much of my money into one bonus gives me second thought, but what's the chance of me busting?

The conditions are that you have to wager 10x D+B (table games count as 50% so 20x) so the WR would be 40,000. Since you have to clear that first before you get your bonus money, whats the chance of me busting my initial $1000 while clearing a game like 3 card poker or Casino war. And if I do bust what's the chance for me to bust if I redeposit to finish off the remaining WR to make up my loss.

Also what would be the best game to play to complete this bonus? I was thinking Casino War or 3Card poker since I'm not too familiar with VP (only bonus I've done using it was an autoplay where I lost a few hundred). I know the HA on VP is lower, but isn't that only because of the big payout you get if you het a pat royal which is very uncommon?

Also this (http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-bonus-issues/13353-bonus-issues-mansion-casino.html?highlight=mansion) thread at Casinomeister shows that their VP game had a higher HA then it was sopposed to have, the error has been fixed, but should I be worried that any of their other games have been compromised?

[Frogic]

They have european roulette, which has a better HA(1.3ish) than their best video poker game(1.5ish if I remember) and that difference is a significant amount of EV over 20k playthrough. European roulette being one zero and half of your money back if you hit it.

Frogic

[catamite]

Mansion table and video poker games count as 50%. So you will have to wager (D+B)(10)(2) = (2000)(10)(2) = 40000.

We will also play $1000 worth of Single-deck blackjack once the bonus has been promoted.

EV(Mansion):
Casino War (6-deck, no bonus) = 1000-(40000*0.0288)-(1000*0.0037484) = -155.75
Poker Three Pairplus = 1000-(40000*0.0232)-(1000*0.0037484) = 68.25
European Roulette = 1000-(40000*0.013514)-(1000*0.0037484) = 455.69

So you're wasting your time with War or Poker Three. You can increase EV playing video poker, but with higher variance and lower hourly rate, and I'll be damned if you want me to play $40000 worth of video poker.

This may be a good one for you donks that get a kick out of playing craps online.

For you kids on small bankrolls, I wouldn't risk anywhere near 30% of my bankroll on one bonus, but I'll let someone else do the ROR calculations. If you have the roll then enjoy ~$455 in EV.

[Emilie11]

Remember that once the bonus releases you have to wager it once before cashout. Im doing this bonus right now, and the casino is awfully slow, and jams all the time.

[PokerintheI]

The video poker HA isn't great, but they do have 100 play jacks and deuces wild. That helps cut down on the variance. Plus you can double. I think the doubling even counts as a wager, but I'm not certain on that one.

[DaNcInGgOoN]

it dosnt have any good EV for you, just do the math with their WR and the games. Also you get the bonus after meeting WR so you cant even sticky it up.

[catamite]

Not to bump an old thread, but the bonus is still valid at EV ~$455 and you can now get an additional $90 affiliate kickback. PM me if interested.

[boracay]

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Mansion table and video poker games count as 50%. So you will have to wager (D+B)(10)(2) = (2000)(10)(2) = 40000.

We will also play $1000 worth of Single-deck blackjack once the bonus has been promoted.

EV(Mansion):
Casino War (6-deck, no bonus) = 1000-(40000*0.0288)-(1000*0.0037484) = -155.75
Poker Three Pairplus = 1000-(40000*0.0232)-(1000*0.0037484) = 68.25
European Roulette = 1000-(40000*0.013514)-(1000*0.0037484) = 455.69

So you're wasting your time with War or Poker Three. You can increase EV playing video poker, but with higher variance and lower hourly rate, and I'll be damned if you want me to play $40000 worth of video poker.

This may be a good one for you donks that get a kick out of playing craps online.

For you kids on small bankrolls, I wouldn't risk anywhere near 30% of my bankroll on one bonus, but I'll let someone else do the ROR calculations. If you have the roll then enjoy ~$455 in EV.

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thx catamite. great info for rookies like me.

[scorer]

The fact that they recyled discards in video poker and that gave them an extra 3 percent edge speaks volumes for me about them. Plus, they haven't refunded anybody who played against a flawed software. I would stay away!!!

[E.Z.]

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The fact that they recyled discards in video poker and that gave them an extra 3 percent edge speaks volumes for me about them. Plus, they haven't refunded anybody who played against a flawed software. I would stay away!!!

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i know makes sense to me that they are acting crooked. but you got people saying PM me and the owner of casinobonuswhores (i guess) saying do it and use a frickin clicker.
( see other threads where vets bashed newbs for aarons clicker)

can you trust their wheel with 1G?

[Halo7]

While it seems like there was an inadvertant error in their VP software from what I have read, do you really think an outfit the size of Mansion (who invested millions in the pokerdome thing in Vegas, not to mention sponsoring soccer teams and who knows what else) would intentionally screw with their customers and more importantly their reputation for a measly 3% HA on VP (which a lot of people don't even play). I don't think so, but some people are convinced everyone is out to screw them. Do I think their wheel is fair? Yes or I wouldn't recommend it. I did mansion back when Casino War was allowed? Was it rigged? None of us can ever know for sure, but I made about $400 from it. With online casinos, you need to be "cautiously paranoid" but not paranoid IMO. In the end, if you don't trust the outfit that offers a bonus, then don't play.

Halo7

P.S. CBW is my site, hope you find it useful.

[scorer]

Halo7, ive come to realize that when gambling is involved anything is possible. Where is the compensation to those players who were using a flawed software while the gamed there?? Ive read on another forum that people who emailed them are getting nothing in return. There was a prominent trainer/driver in the harness racing industry eric ledford who was so financially settled and was considered to be he next superatar in racing. His barn was using drugs to enhance his horses performance and was arrested for using a device to enhance the performance of horses for racing. He was consider4ed to be one of the people who would not do this, but he did. By the way your site looks promising cbw.

[1huskerfan]

Dude, you are remnding of that guy Jerry, in Conspiracy Theory. Mansion is a very reputable Casino and I am sure that they will remedy the VP situation. Just because you are busting out of a casino for the first time does not mean the sky is falling.

[Packard]

MANSION is a great casino.

I wouldnt get psyched out from their JOB VP. I just played it there and its fine from what I can tell.

Halo has some innovative ideas on his site www.casinobonuswhores.com (http://www.casinobonuswhores.com)

The site has some great ideas including the autoclicking roulette.

The Mansion wheel hits around two spins a minute and clearing can take some time.

[Packard]

Just played some more roulette there

With each spin I am now doing 3 bets: black, 1-18, even

This is speeding it up a lot from just betting red or black each spin.

The longterm average of roulette spins is around 2.5 per minute.

[E.Z.]

i myself think CBW is a nice site. the name seems a bit tacky or close to BW so i hope you are with them too.

couple weeks ago there was a post about newbies using a clicker and ALOT of vets flamed them. mansion by all means looks legit but why are they being dicks to VP players and saying nothing or "too bad"

it is one thing for an newbie to endorse a clicker but for a guy that hopes to be a major affiliate of mansion to endorse a clicker seems kinda foul and prob isnt something mansion is crazy about??

am i wrong?? would BW ever do such a thing?? just seems you are out to make a buck halo and kinda look over the whole VP thing while plugging your code/clicker.

but nice site

[Halo7]

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i myself think CBW is a nice site. the name seems a bit tacky or close to BW so i hope you are with them too.

couple weeks ago there was a post about newbies using a clicker and ALOT of vets flamed them. mansion by all means looks legit but why are they being dicks to VP players and saying nothing or "too bad"

it is one thing for an newbie to endorse a clicker but for a guy that hopes to be a major affiliate of mansion to endorse a clicker seems kinda foul and prob isnt something mansion is crazy about??

am i wrong?? would BW ever do such a thing?? just seems you are out to make a buck halo and kinda look over the whole VP thing while plugging your code/clicker.

but nice site

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Thanks for the compliment. I haven't said much about the VP fiasco because I don't have all the facts and I have never recommended people use VP to clear the Mansion bonus (simply because the WR is so massive). If it is as I have read from a few posts (they were shuffling discards back in before redrawing) then I would be really really really surprised if it was intentional. Since all of their games are custom made software rather than using an off the shelf casino package (like microgaming etc), I could see this being an honest mistake by the programmer(one that should have been caught during QA though).

That said, if this was the case and it changed the HA from 0.5% to 3% or whatever, a fair thing to do would be to give a rebate of 2.5% of whatever amount people had played in the effected games. Whether they do that, and how soon they do that is a question I don't have the answer to. I am sure there is a thread about this over at CasinoMeister and it will get resolved, albeit not as quickly as the effected players would like. Note resolved doesn't necessarily mean people get $$ back, but I bet the software error will be fixed soon if it hasn't already been.

As for me recommending autoclicker or whatever, my site was made to make people $$ by winding through the mazes of the T&Cs to end up with a profit. I have already had 2 affiliate accounts at different sites locked because of my site which isn't too surprising to me. When I made the site, I wanted show people how to make $$ as safely as possible, and if I ended up with any from being an affiliate, that was a bonus. Since the majority of the programs are revenue share based, there are much easier ways to make a buck than catering to whores. Mansion's program is a hybrid where I get a fixed amount per sign up plus a rev share % (fixed amound is deducted from any potential rev share). If you find my site useful and want to sign up through me, cool. If you want to type it in directly and not use me, that is fine too. If you want to have someone kick you the RAF back or give you an X-Box or whatever, that is fine too. I don't make my living from CBW but still appreciate all the signups I get.

As far as what the casinos think about my site, it varies. Most don't seem to care since every once in a while one of my players might go on monkey tilt and drop 1K which makes up for 10 $100 grinder's profits. I even went to an affiliate convention since it was where I lived in Miami Beach and talked with reps from all of the big casinos about my site and what I tried to provide. Some rolled their eyes, but at least one loved the site. Her quote "I love your motto 'Where the Business is whoring and Business is good!'." Maybe Mansion knows that their bonus is giving away money (which most sites sign up bonuses do) and they are willing to give it up to sign up a new customer and generate buzz about their product on countless message boards. Then when football season comes, they have 10,000 people who already have an account for the sportsbook etc. If WPEX can give up all the rake, then why can't Mansion give up a $450 EV bonus and be happy about getting a new customer (especially the type that has 1K they can deposit at once).

Lastly, when I was coming up with a site name, I wanted something descriptive and catchy and casinobonuswhores.com fit the bill. I love the bonuswhores.com site and I was trying to make my site the casino version of their site: Full of useful information and stats without any of the fluff marketing BS.


Hope this doesn't come off as too defensive, but wanted to address your concerns.

Halo7

[FourNickel]

Are the second and third deposit bonuses +EV? I busted out my first grand.

[Halo7]

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Are the second and third deposit bonuses +EV? I busted out my first grand.

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Barely. I probably wouldn't mess with them. 20X(1000+500)=30,000. 30,000*.0135=405. Net EV = $95 on a $1000 deposit.

Halo7

[pathogen]

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Just played some more roulette there

With each spin I am now doing 3 bets: black, 1-18, even

This is speeding it up a lot from just betting red or black each spin.

The longterm average of roulette spins is around 2.5 per minute.

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Just curious how much you came out with in the end?

Anyone else try this one?

I'd be worried to bust the 1000 bucks putting $1 on red, even, and 1-18 or which ever.

[1huskerfan]

I finished up $430. Autoclicked Black, odd, and 19-36 at $1 a pop. Clears in about 40 hours. I ran it when I was sleeping and when out of the house.

[scorer]

i was told/maybe im wrong, that if you use an auto clicker some sites will close your account?? Depends on the t/c?? Anybody have feedback??

[josie_wales]

Ok,
So they have autoplay.
To you more experienced whores.

Can anyone give a suggestion as to the best way to tackle this?

Autoplay roulette? Jacks or Better?

With autoplay, this could be worth it.

Thanks,
Jw

[catamite]

European roulette is the way to go. Read above posts for details.

PM me for $90 affiliate kickback.

[1huskerfan]

I have never heard of this happening.

[136913691369]

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I have never heard of this happening.

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That's because no one has been caught yet. It's pretty much guarnteed that if you are caught using a auto-clicker you will at least get your bonus + winnings confiscated maybe your deposit as well.

[1huskerfan]

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It's pretty much guarnteed that if you are caught using a auto-clicker you will at least get your bonus + winnings confiscated maybe your deposit as well.

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Kind of like it's guaranteed that if I sail to the end of the world, I might fall off the edge.

[josie_wales]

Wait---is that "autoplay" that is in the casinos software...
Is auto"click" different?
If so, how? What is it? Details?
Thanks
jw

[Freakin]

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Wait---is that "autoplay" that is in the casinos software...
Is auto"click" different?
If so, how? What is it? Details?
Thanks
jw

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autoclicker is using a 3rd party software to automate actions in teh casino. a casino would look at it the same way a poker room would look at a poker bot

[Freakin]

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The site has some great ideas including the autoclicking roulette.


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this is the furthest thing from a great idea i have ever heard. i hope everyone autoclicking and playing low variance roulette spins has their deposit completely siezed.

Casino bonuses are free money. Don't blow it by being this stupid.

[jonyy6788]

You really think they're gonna care that you have these two options:

A) click your fingers for 40 hrs to whore their bonus
B) let a program do the same thing for 40 hrs to whore their bonus

Option A has the save EV for both house/player and option B and it's NOT a bot....totally different

Thanks

[Freakin]

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You really think they're gonna care that you have these two options:

A) click your fingers for 40 hrs to whore their bonus
B) let a program do the same thing for 40 hrs to whore their bonus

Option A has the save EV for both house/player and option B and it's NOT a bot....totally different

Thanks

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So you don't think if I sent them an email saying "I am going to use a clicking macro at your casino to play 0 risk roulette for 40 hours." that they woulnd't use every trick in the book to take your money? Even casinomeister wouldn't help you.

EV is irrelevant. It's a bot.

[scorer]

You run the risk of losing your deposit/winnings by using 3rd party software. Don't you think the reps of these casino's and poker rooms frequent message boards?? Interesting how mansion decided to refund pl;ayers from there software issue after recv emails and hearing complaints from players/maybe reading message boards/forums. Give them a reason to take your funds and they will.

[Halo7]

Can they seize your funds for using a clicker? Sure.
Can they seize your funds if you are committing what they in their sole opinion determine is bonus abuse? Sure.
Can they seize your funds if they determine you are playing according to a system designed to profit from the bonus and not play in a gambling spirit? Sure.
Can they change their bonus terms at any time and not honor the old bonus terms? Sure.

The T&C's are written in such a way that the casinos could screw you 9 different ways if they wanted to and still be following the T&Cs to the letter.
Do I think casinos have the screenshot capability that party has and or autoclicker monitoring capability? Nope.
If you would rather click by hand, go for it.

These are all typically one time bonuses and once you clear them you probably won't go back anyhow for them to notice a pattern and/or detect anything.

That said, when someone says that a pop up comes up saying "Hey you! Stop using that clicker" then I will adjust my advice. At least I am not advocating gnoming which costs casinos much more than the clicker (which costs them nothing more than clearing it by hand).

Halo7

[Freakin]

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Can they seize your funds for using a clicker? Sure.
Can they seize your funds if you are committing what they in their sole opinion determine is bonus abuse? Sure.
Can they seize your funds if they determine you are playing according to a system designed to profit from the bonus and not play in a gambling spirit? Sure.
Can they change their bonus terms at any time and not honor the old bonus terms? Sure.

The T&C's are written in such a way that the casinos could screw you 9 different ways if they wanted to and still be following the T&Cs to the letter.
Do I think casinos have the screenshot capability that party has and or autoclicker monitoring capability? Nope.
If you would rather click by hand, go for it.

These are all typically one time bonuses and once you clear them you probably won't go back anyhow for them to notice a pattern and/or detect anything.

That said, when someone says that a pop up comes up saying "Hey you! Stop using that clicker" then I will adjust my advice. At least I am not advocating gnoming which costs casinos much more than the clicker (which costs them nothing more than clearing it by hand).

Halo7

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once again, the EV is irrelevant. No one is going to do 40,000 clicks by hand.

and once again, this forum has proven that it has not learned a thing since the captain cook's group locked everyones accounts 18 months ago. Had they been unable to sell themselves off to CR, no one would have been paid (which they eventually were after 2-3 months of waiting).

Any casino seizing bonuses and winnings under their "bonus abuse" clause is almost immediately rogued. Any player found or suspected of using bot software (such as autoclickers) at a casino will have no recourse from any watchdog site like CM, and they will likely be rogued as a player themselves. You don't think any casinos or sportsbooks share information?

I've been doing this for over a year and a half, and I learned from people doing this for 4 or more years. If you want to be a complete [censored], try to not encourage others to be one too.

[Halo7]

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I've been doing this for over a year and a half, and I learned from people doing this for 4 or more years. If you want to be a complete [censored], try to not encourage others to be one too.

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I wasn't trying to piss you off, bro. All I do is do the bonuses the best way I can find and report my results. If I find a better, faster, lower variance way to clear a bonus then I am gonna tell people about it. I think you are right that I should more clearly explain the risks of doing so since I would hate to have anyone lose money by following my advice blindly.

Good luck with your whoring,

Halo7

[E.Z.]

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Lastly, when I was coming up with a site name, I wanted something descriptive and catchy and casinobonuswhores.com fit the bill. I love the bonuswhores.com site and I was trying to make my site the casino version of their site: Full of useful information and stats without any of the fluff marketing BS.




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lol... you love bonuswhores and wanted a site like it, but for casinos.
what an original name. likely some real brainstorming.

do you own domains to pokerMEISTER or grandPoobahOfODDS?

[Halo7]

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Lastly, when I was coming up with a site name, I wanted something descriptive and catchy and casinobonuswhores.com fit the bill. I love the bonuswhores.com site and I was trying to make my site the casino version of their site: Full of useful information and stats without any of the fluff marketing BS.




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lol... you love bonuswhores and wanted a site like it, but for casinos.
what an original name. likely some real brainstorming.

do you own domains to pokerMEISTER or grandPoobahOfODDS?

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Let me see if they are available....I like the sound of both of those. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Man, what am I doing posting at this hour lol

[wax42]

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Are the second and third deposit bonuses +EV? I busted out my first grand.

[/ QUOTE ]Can you redeposit and continue clearing the original bonus? I think that would be the best option.

[flyty86]

i deposited 600 and am withdrawing 1700. video poker is the [censored]!!!

they are being bitches and am making me wait like 3 days though

[Freakin]

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i deposited 600 and am withdrawing 1700. video poker is the [censored]!!!

they are being bitches and am making me wait like 3 days though

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that's fast for casinos. get used to it

[car ramrod]

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they are being bitches and am making me wait like 3 days though



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I cashed out $1200 from Monaco like 8 days ago, still nothing. I have spoke with them and they said it is being processed. 3 days is fast.

[Badger]

Did they just change roulette to count 25%? That kills the EV of this bonus right? Even with $90 kickback.

[Packard]

Yes Roulette looks like 25% now. Another good reason to get in on a bonus early.

[Badger]

I guess I'll add $450 to the amount being a slacker has cost me in my life.

[JPT III]

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Did they just change roulette to count 25%? That kills the EV of this bonus right? Even with $90 kickback.

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THAT SUCKS!!! I was literally going to deposit there tonight!

So I noticed that they also reduced video poker to 25% WR, which seems like it would still be profitable -- even more than the previous roultette strategy employed by astute whores. I've never played video poker of any sort, so someone jump in here if I'm missing something, and also please confirm my calculations.

According to WoO, Jacks or better, which Manison offers, has an HA of .46%. Under the revised rules, video poker counts for 25% of one's wager requirement. So, with a $1,000 deposit, earning a $1,000 bonus, and a WR of 10x(B+D), we get a WR of $20,000. Adjusting for video poker play, which counts for only on a 25% basis towards the WR, we get a WR of $80,000 if playing JOB. So, 80,000 * .0046 = 368, which would be your net expected loss over playing the WR. With a bonus of $1,000, do we not have an EV of $632?

Like I said, someone jump in here if I'm missing something (wouldn't be the first time in my short whoring career). If my analysis above is correct, it seems that Halo's site would've discussed this as an alternative to roulette, and this leads me to think my analysis above is wrong. In fact, video poker previously counted as 50% toward the WR, cutting the expected loss calculated above in half. Is it that video poker is slow, and would take forever to clear?

One last thing, I noticed that both versions of the T&Cs have the following provision just beneath the WR info:

To withdraw bonus credits as cash you must wager the value of the bonus at least once.

WTF does that mean!?!? I have to make at least one $1,000 wager before withdrawing?!?! Anyone ever held to that condition?

[chigger]

[quoteOne last thing, I noticed that both versions of the T&Cs have the following provision just beneath the WR info:

To withdraw bonus credits as cash you must wager the value of the bonus at least once.

WTF does that mean!?!? I have to make at least one $1,000 wager before withdrawing?!?! Anyone ever held to that condition?

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Or wager $1 - 1000 times. Just need a total of $1000 in bets.

[Packard]

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Like I said, someone jump in here if I'm missing something (wouldn't be the first time in my short whoring career). If my analysis above is correct, it seems that Halo's site would've discussed this as an alternative to roulette, and this leads me to think my analysis above is wrong. In fact, video poker previously counted as 50% toward the WR, cutting the expected loss calculated above in half. Is it that video poker is slow, and would take forever to clear?

One last thing, I noticed that both versions of the T&Cs have the following provision just beneath the WR info:

To withdraw bonus credits as cash you must wager the value of the bonus at least once.

WTF does that mean!?!? I have to make at least one $1,000 wager before withdrawing?!?! Anyone ever held to that condition?

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A player trying to get through an 80,000 WR in JOB VP would be crazy playing with only their $1000 deposit and doubling not counting towards the WR. Nobody should try it.

The wagering the amount of the bonus once just means to do another 1000 wr after you get the bonus. You can bet it as you usually did during your previous play.

[Halo7]

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If my analysis above is correct, it seems that Halo's site would've discussed this as an alternative to roulette, and this leads me to think my analysis above is wrong.

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We now have an updated strategy on our site for the new bonus, albeit at only $152 EV now on an outlay of $1K. You snooze, you lose in today's bonus world unfortunately. This one was too nice to last too long.

Halo7

[flyty86]

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they are being bitches and am making me wait like 3 days though



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I cashed out $1200 from Monaco like 8 days ago, still nothing. I have spoke with them and they said it is being processed. 3 days is fast.

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r u serious? i spoke with live chat and told them my withdraw is screwing up and i sent in my license but it wasn't working blahblahblah and he fixed it up for me. i withdrew immediately after and it hit firepay in less than a day. holla!

[136913691369]

I'm assuming those of ous who deposited when roulette counted as 50% are still held to those terms. Can anyone confirm?

[Jugador]

nope most casino's wont grandfather you in when they change T&C's, unlike many poker rooms

[136913691369]

This is such BS. How can they not hold you to the terms that you signed up for? What a bunch of scumbags. Since they change the terms of their bonuses basically once a week, I think im gonna wait it out. Maybe they will change it back to something decent.

[Packard]

They autocredit the players with the bonuses once they hit the WR now. They used to make players go to live chat to claim their bonuses.

I get the feeling that if you didn't get the bonus autocredited yet, then that player might not get the bonus they were playing for.

[Joe Taylor]

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According to WoO, Jacks or better, which Manison offers, has an HA of .46%. Under the revised rules, video poker counts for 25% of one's wager requirement. So, with a $1,000 deposit, earning a $1,000 bonus, and a WR of 10x(B+D), we get a WR of $20,000. Adjusting for video poker play, which counts for only on a 25% basis towards the WR, we get a WR of $80,000 if playing JOB. So, 80,000 * .0046 = 368, which would be your net expected loss over playing the WR. With a bonus of $1,000, do we not have an EV of $632?

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What you are missing is that not all video poker paytables are the same. The JoB that Mansion has uses a paytable that has reduced payouts for Straight Flushes and Quads, increasing the HA to ~1.75%. I don't think I need to do the math for you to see that it is a bad deal. /images/graemlins/smile.gif (FYI, I have analyzed all the VP paytables, and the highest one still has an HA > 1.5%.)

[JPT III]

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What you are missing is that not all video poker paytables are the same. The JoB that Mansion has uses a paytable that has reduced payouts for Straight Flushes and Quads, increasing the HA to ~1.75%. I don't think I need to do the math for you to see that it is a bad deal. /images/graemlins/smile.gif (FYI, I have analyzed all the VP paytables, and the highest one still has an HA > 1.5%.)

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Ah ha! Muchas gracias, amigo.

[wax42]

What is the HA on their blackjack games (single deck and 6 deck)? catamite above quoted .37484% for single deck but I'm not sure where that came from. If that's correct, how about clearing the new terms using single deck blackjack, since blackjack counts for 10% under the new terms? The EV would be 1000-(200000*0.0037484)-(1000*0.0037484) = about $246.

[Little_Luck]

What's the EV of the trauma of beating your head on the wall from playing 200,000 dollars of BJ for 250 bucks? Baccarat at least paves the way for autoplay.

Let's say you are betting 25 bucks a hand and takes approx 7000 hands at 400 hands an hour, leaves 17.5 hours for 250 bucks, with the chance to take 5,000 negative swings.

[JPT III]

Search Wizard of Odds to find his handy blackjack rules/HA calculator. you plug in the rules (decks, etc.) of the game, it tells you the HA with optimum play.

[Homer]

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Yes Roulette looks like 25% now. Another good reason to get in on a bonus early.

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I deposited on 8/16, played for a while and then went on vacation for 10 days. I came back today and played for a long time, dumping $1000. I went to check my remaining WR and noticed it was way higher than it should have then. Then, of course, I noticed the change in the T&C. Complaining to CS did nothing ("we reserve the option to change our T&C at any time"). This place is a joke. No legitimate online casino retroactively changes the T&C of a bonus.

If they don't want to play fair, then neither do I. "I reserve the right to gnome the [censored] out of your Steelers promo, [censored]."

[brendanb438]

Get them Homer. If they wanna play hardball just hit them up for $10,000 large. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ron Burgundy]

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Yes Roulette looks like 25% now. Another good reason to get in on a bonus early.

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I deposited on 8/16, played for a while and then went on vacation for 10 days. I came back today and played for a long time, dumping $1000. I went to check my remaining WR and noticed it was way higher than it should have then. Then, of course, I noticed the change in the T&C. Complaining to CS did nothing ("we reserve the option to change our T&C at any time"). This place is a joke. No legitimate online casino retroactively changes the T&C of a bonus.

If they don't want to play fair, then neither do I. "I reserve the right to gnome the [censored] out of your Steelers promo, [censored]."

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Still not as bad as Be The Dealer. They changed the T&C 2 days after I cashed out and I had no choice but to wager another 20K. Of course, I then lost about $2K.

[ImBen]

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Yes Roulette looks like 25% now. Another good reason to get in on a bonus early.

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I deposited on 8/16, played for a while and then went on vacation for 10 days. I came back today and played for a long time, dumping $1000. I went to check my remaining WR and noticed it was way higher than it should have then. Then, of course, I noticed the change in the T&C. Complaining to CS did nothing ("we reserve the option to change our T&C at any time"). This place is a joke. No legitimate online casino retroactively changes the T&C of a bonus.

If they don't want to play fair, then neither do I. "I reserve the right to gnome the [censored] out of your Steelers promo, [censored]."

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