Yachting = Fraudulent

[kiddj]

Besides the obvious software fraud concerning video poker drawing hands (and probably all their other games), another incident has occurred.

I was playing the deuces wild VP I was dealt 2h-Qd-2d-10d-7h. I held the 2h-Qd-2d-10d and discarded the 7h. I drew the 2c, which should have given me a Deuces Royal Flush, but it only registered as a Straight Flush and paid me $45 instead of the correct $100 payout.

I have since been informed by the manager, Sam, that the "Deuces Royal Flush", only contains ONE 2. If it contains more than one 2, it's only a straight flush. He stated that this is standard for ALL deuces wild VP games.

If someone would be kind enough to PM me with instuctions on attaching a picture, I'll show the screen shot.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/2166/clipimage002dq8.jpg

[Blowup Doll]

www.imageshack.us (http://www.imageshack.us)

Just upload it there and then copy-paste the URL.

[thomasperfecto]

According to http://www.slotadvisor.com/deuces-wild-video-poker.html
Your correct.

[kiddj]

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According to http://www.slotadvisor.com/deuces-wild-video-poker.html
Your correct.

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Yeah. Here is his exact respose to my complaint/inquiry:

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We received our software provider answer:
You have received a correct payout for the combination that occurred.
The deuces royal flush, as said in the rules, and as in all 2's wild games,
is only paid with one an only one 2. With more than one 2, the hand pays a
standard combination, that's why you've been paid a straight flush.
In any case, we have decided to offer you a $25 bonus, and hope you'll be a
winner.

Best regards,
Sam

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[thomasperfecto]

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According to http://www.slotadvisor.com/deuces-wild-video-poker.html
Your correct.

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Yeah. Here is his exact respose to my complaint/inquiry:

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We received our software provider answer:
You have received a correct payout for the combination that occurred.
The deuces royal flush, as said in the rules, and as in all 2's wild games,
is only paid with one an only one 2. With more than one 2, the hand pays a
standard combination, that's why you've been paid a straight flush.
In any case, we have decided to offer you a $25 bonus, and hope you'll be a
winner.

Best regards,
Sam

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Thats BS! They're trying to screw you.
Check out the info on WoO
http://wizardofodds.com/deuceswild

You should have been paid for a deuces wild royal flush even holding 3 deuces.

They know they are in the wrong that's why they've give you $25. Why else would they? They'd just say, sorry those are the rules.

[kyleb]

I have no idea why you guys are playing here when they are known for using rogued software.

[bgoalie35]

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www.imageshack.us (http://www.imageshack.us)

Just upload it there and then copy-paste the URL.

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SWEET! I've been trying to figure out how to do that forever. Blowup doll = da nuts. You've got to be one of the most helpful people on 2p2.

[kiddj]

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I have no idea why you guys are playing here when they are known for using rogued software.

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They are not currently listed on Casinomeister's rogued casino list. Casino Bonus Pages does not list them as blacklisted.

I am fairly new to the casino bonuses: where was I supposed to come across this info on that casino? (I'm not being argumentitive, I just want to know about as many resources as possible so I can avoid this in the future.)

[Thremp]

It doesn't matter. Several of us found out the hard way. I ended up a net loser of -375.

CM and CBP are not the be all and end all of rouges. They help but seriously.

[WLVRYN]

Kiddj - Make sure and post this at Casinomeister. I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say over there. CM is going on holiday for awhile, so the pitch a bitch is going to be offline for a bit, but I'd still like to see what comes of this there.

[kyleb]

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I have no idea why you guys are playing here when they are known for using rogued software.

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They are not currently listed on Casinomeister's rogued casino list.

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They have used blatantly rogue/"buggy" software in the past. They continue to use proprietary software which cannot be vouched for on any other site.

That's it. End of story. Do not pass go, do not play there.

[kiddj]

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I have no idea why you guys are playing here when they are known for using rogued software.

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They are not currently listed on Casinomeister's rogued casino list.

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They have used blatantly rogue/"buggy" software in the past. They continue to use proprietary software which cannot be vouched for on any other site.

That's it. End of story. Do not pass go, do not play there.

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But my $ is already there , I haven't cleared the sign up bonus, and I'm trying to get them to just refund my original deposit.

[kiddj]

In case anyone didn't get to see this BS, here's the screen shot:

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/2166/clipimage002dq8.jpg

[kiddj]

I just received an email from Frank @ yachting stating:

"The Deuces Wild was launched three weeks ago and only advertised to French players to check if they would appreciate this game, it is paying out by the rules displayed on the site (the Wild Royal Flush paying with only one Deuce), that might not be the only and official rules but the players seem to enjoy it, the English translation of the rules was unfortunately left aside, I understand that it might be confusing. We apologize if you didn't understand the translation of the rules and you will be compensated in regards of the standard rules, ($55.00 have been credited to your playing account).
Please note that the Deuces keep going by these rules that are now clearly displaid on the site in French and English.
We will consider changing these rules and will advise our players when it will be online."

At least now they admit that their rules do not conform to other deuces wild games, which as far as this issue goes, closes their liability. At least their support has been fairly responsive and polite. I guess I will finish whatever wagering i need (obviously NOT at the deuces wild) and withdraw whatever I have left. I still have a possible issue with their "random" card distibution on JoB VP, but I'm not going to share any of that info until I have a decent sample size of data, AND my $ isn't tied up there.

[Blowup Doll]

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I still have a possible issue with their "random" card distibution on JoB VP

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It's already been established that their software is more crooked than Kirsten Dunst's front teeth.

[thomasperfecto]

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I still have a possible issue with their "random" card distibution on JoB VP

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It's already been established that their software is more crooked than Kirsten Dunst's front teeth.

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HaHa I think they where the official casino to ENRON too..

[kiddj]

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I still have a possible issue with their "random" card distibution on JoB VP

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It's already been established that their software is more crooked than Kirsten Dunst's front teeth.

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LMAO...nice!

[WhoIam]

I noticed Yachting's BS and posted about it last month in this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Board=bonus&Number=6433623& Searchpage=1&Main=6433623&Words=+WhoIam&topic=&Sea rch=true#Post6433623) thread. I then sent the following email to Greg Carl who runs Casino Bonus Pages:

"Some other people and I have noticed extreme irregularities in video poker
at yachting casino. When I was playing, about 1 in every 10 hands (over
several thousand) was a 4-flush. Even stranger was that a flush was made
literally 1% of the time or less. There was a similar problem with
4-straights. Strangely I would often make straights or flushes when
drawing 3 or 4 cards.

I posted about this on 2+2 (I don't think I can write html here so I'll just
paste the link at the end of the message) and several others claimed to have
experienced exactly the same irregularities. The fact that they run
proprietary software is also extremely suspicious.

I would like to ask you to blacklist this casino, or at the very least put
it on your probation list. I have played at nearly 100 online casions I can
safely state that this is not simple variance."

I got the folloing reply:

"Thank you for your email.

Im sorry to hear about your bad experience with Yachting Casino. However, I
am reluctant to blacklist/probation list Yachting or the rest of the casino
in their group, based solely on the longterm results of my players. The end
result, which is what I see in my player stats, are well in line with
expectation (meaning my players are WAY up with Yachting, as well as the
other casinos in their group). I am willing to concede that the Random
Number Generator used by their software may be slightly off (which would
explain your bizarre results); however, they have still proven profitable in
the longrun. Obviously, that is my main concern with the casinos that I
list.

That being said, I will keep a close eye on this group, and take any
necessary actions that I see fit should I receive further complaints and or
see a change in the profitability of these casinos to my players.

I hope you view this as reasonable and do appreciate your comments.

Thanks,

Greg
www.CasinoBonusPages.com (http://www.CasinoBonusPages.com)"