Stupid Noob Casino sticky question

[Ainex]

Okay I'm trying to figure out how best to clear the Sticky I at Club Dice Casino 4Xd+b (300+500). The lowest HA game available is A&F VP but I can't seem to figure out how to bet more than $5 per coin over 5 coins on the machine. BJ doesn't count towards WR but should I just go bet $400 on a hand and try and double up then clear at VP even though the $400 wagered won't count towards WR or is there some game I can bet big at that counts towards WR?

This is the important part of the T&C I think:

Club Dice Casino reserves the right to withhold any amount in excess of the players original deposit from a player's withdrawal if the bonus is wagered in Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps (all sorts of Craps), SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), Blackjack (all sorts of Blackjack) or Jacks or Better (all sorts of Jacks or Better) for $ and €.

Sorry if this is completely obvious but I'm tired and now confused by this.

[Freakin]

Don't play any game where they say straight up they'll take your money if you play it (like blackjack).

Play A&F with $5 coins and hope to hit something really big (like a $20,000 royal flush).

[Auren]

After misunderstanding one casinos sticky bonus I have now new guideline for reading t&c. Figure out worst possible way to interpret the term for you. That is propably what they mean.

What that clause says is that if you received any bonus and EVER on that site play any of the games they mention they might never allow you to withdraw more than you deposited. Thats what that clause alone says.

I am newbie in this but how about casino war or red dog? Have someone else cofirm they are viable. I messed up my last casino so I wouödn't trust my own advice. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[grinin]

FWIW, I was thinking about something similar and came up with the following:
Initially sacrifice by playing a game with a larger house advantage but allowing a larger wager. Then if you reach your target go to the lower HA to complete the WR.

ie.; Play WAR or similar for $400/hand until you reach your target then switch to A&F VP.

[stephan]

What exactly are these sticky bonuses? Where are they listed?

[pathogen]

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What exactly are these sticky bonuses? Where are they listed?

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http://casinodave.com/StickyBonusStrategy.htm

[Freakin]

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After misunderstanding one casinos sticky bonus I have now new guideline for reading t&c. Figure out worst possible way to interpret the term for you. That is propably what they mean.

What that clause says is that if you received any bonus and EVER on that site play any of the games they mention they might never allow you to withdraw more than you deposited. Thats what that clause alone says.

I am newbie in this but how about casino war or red dog? Have someone else cofirm they are viable. I messed up my last casino so I wouödn't trust my own advice. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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casino war is a fine choice. never played much red dog.

[terrellk11]

With casino war, make sure you do not make the mistake of betting your full stack. If you do and you tie the dealer, you will have no choice but to surrender since you won't have the money you need to go to war. Therefore, make sure you're bets at war are never more than half your stack.

[Auren]

Only problem with casino war is that if you want to wager everything with one bet then you are in trouble if both get same card. I think if your aim is doubling up then doing one big bet is best EV. I am just trying to figure out game with good EV and where I never need to pay any more after starting bet.

Be warned that single big bet being best EV is just my own theory. I haven't found any comments about that from people who do this more.

[Ainex]

Well thanks for the help guys. I took my $800 stack to War and bet the max ($300) and busted out right quick. Oh well, at least I got a gamesgift point out of it heh.

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Only problem with casino war is that if you want to wager everything with one bet then you are in trouble if both get same card. I think if your aim is doubling up then doing one big bet is best EV. I am just trying to figure out game with good EV and where I never need to pay any more after starting bet.

Be warned that single big bet being best EV is just my own theory. I haven't found any comments about that from people who do this more.

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Anyone agree with the betting it all on the pair plus bet in 3CP? The only problem I see is, like VP, the unlikely top heavy payouts skew the HA.

[Freakin]

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Only problem with casino war is that if you want to wager everything with one bet then you are in trouble if both get same card. I think if your aim is doubling up then doing one big bet is best EV. I am just trying to figure out game with good EV and where I never need to pay any more after starting bet.

Be warned that single big bet being best EV is just my own theory. I haven't found any comments about that from people who do this more.

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Anyone agree with the betting it all on the pair plus bet in 3CP? The only problem I see is, like VP, the unlikely top heavy payouts skew the HA.

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It would be pretty damn sick to hit a straight flush at 40:1 ona $800 bet though /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Ken_AA]

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Well thanks for the help guys. I took my $800 stack to War and bet the max ($300) and busted out right quick. Oh well, at least I got a gamesgift point out of it heh.

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Whats the deal with this promo? do you get the same percentage of bonus if your deposit is smaller (such as the 100 needed for games gifts?

Thanks Ken

[jba]

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Anyone agree with the betting it all on the pair plus bet in 3CP? The only problem I see is, like VP, the unlikely top heavy payouts skew the HA.

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HA doesn't change by top heavy payouts

top heavy payouts means you have a greater chance of busting which means EV is higher.

[Auren]

I think you mean variance is higher. Top heavy payouts do not affect EV.

What will affect EV is that if you really hit the straight flush I think your chances of ever getting the money out of casino is quite small. They will decide it is "bonus abuse" and remove the winnings. If you only double the money your chances of withdrawing it are lot better.

[136913691369]

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Anyone agree with the betting it all on the pair plus bet in 3CP? The only problem I see is, like VP, the unlikely top heavy payouts skew the HA.

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HA doesn't change by top heavy payouts

top heavy payouts means you have a greater chance of busting which means EV is higher.

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Ok I worded that wrong then, what I meant was since there are very few sticky bonuses where this strategy could be implemented you will most likely lose on all of your attempts. VERY rarely will someone hit a straight flush or three of a kind betting it all on one hand making the effective HA way more than 2.32%. Am I way off base here?

Just in case im still misunderstood, compare it to playing 5 hands of video poker in your lifetime. You really shouldn't factor in the royal flush in the HA for your calculations because it is so rare to hit.

[kyleb]

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VERY rarely will someone hit a straight flush or three of a kind betting it all on one hand making the effective HA way more than 2.32%. Am I way off base here?

Just in case im still misunderstood, compare it to playing 5 hands of video poker in your lifetime. You really shouldn't factor in the royal flush in the HA for your calculations because it is so rare to hit.

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This is completely incorrect. Your EV is functionally unchanged for the reasons you stated (your EV increases with bet size for multiple reasons). Every single hand you play has the same chance to hit a royal or whatever, no matter how large the sample size may be.

Your ROR and SD go through the roof with larger bet sizes, however. Slamming it all on a game that doesn't have doubling/splitting or other types of future investments necessary (come bets or existing pass line bets in craps after the point is set) does not make the EV go down because you are "unlikely to hit a royal flush."