Warning: Casino Tropez never pays bonuses

[Auren]

This is what I got from Casino Tropez support:

"Kindly note that you have met the wagering requirements and free to withdraw. Please bear in mind that the bonus of $100.00 will be automatically removed from the account once a withdrawal is requested."

So, even if you fill wagering requirements they will always remove all bonuses they have ever given.

So their bonuses are 100% scam and actually do not exist. If you ever try to withdraw anything they will first reduct any bonus money they have ever given.

[Dave Coulier]

This sounds like its a sticky bonus where they remove your bonus once you request a withdrawal. You may want to read the T&C a little closer.

[Auren]

I sure did read it closely. Like 5 times. And still couldn't figure it out from it... Now that I know it is that I can notice that it doesn't exactly say either way. Oh well, next time I know better.

Should be sticky post on top to explain sticky bonuses. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I didn't really realize what they were until now.

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So their bonuses are 100% scam and actually do not exist.

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You need to learn the differences in Sticky Type 1, Type 2, and Cashable bonuses. It is not a scam, it's in the Terms and Conditions, which it sounds like you didn't read or didn't understand. Do a search on the 3 different types of bonuses before you go accusing reputable casinos of cheating or stealing.

[Blowup Doll]

Yeah, it's a sticky. They're calling it a "play bonus" which means you can play with it and keep any winnings, but you can't actually cash the bonus itself out.

Just follow the Sticky 1 strategy.

[kyleb]

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I sure did read it closely. Like 5 times. And still couldn't figure it out from it... Now that I know it is that I can notice that it doesn't exactly say either way. Oh well, next time I know better.

Should be sticky post on top to explain sticky bonuses. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I didn't really realize what they were until now.

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It's common knowledge - read the T&C first and if you have questions, ASK before doing it.

[Auren]

In my opinion it is still scamming. Those rules are obviously in purpose written so that it gives impression that you actually get some cash while you never have any chance of seeing single penny of that.

Luckily I was doing it mostly for boogster points so if I get those I won't actually lose cash in it. Good lesson for me and cheap.

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So you feel it's a scam because they wont just give you free money and you're too lazy to read the conditions.

One word...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok, I'm done, lol. Hard lesson learned, but next time read the T&C and do some research on how to bonus whore before posting scam threads.

[Blowup Doll]

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I sure did read it closely. Like 5 times. And still couldn't figure it out from it... Now that I know it is that I can notice that it doesn't exactly say either way. Oh well, next time I know better.

Should be sticky post on top to explain sticky bonuses. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I didn't really realize what they were until now.

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What does this mean to you?

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6. All PLAY BONUS credits are for wagering purposes only. (No withdrawal will be honored for an amount less than the PLAY BONUS. Upon your FIRST withdrawal (regardless of the number of deposits), any amount up to the equivalent value of the PLAY BONUS will be deducted from your play balance or winnings prior to settlement. The first credits wagered will be deducted from your deposit(s) rather than from the PLAY BONUS).

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[kyleb]

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Those rules are obviously in purpose written so that it gives impression that you actually get some cash while you never have any chance of seeing single penny of that.

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No, they aren't. There are tons of bonuses out there that are sticky bonuses, and they are +EV.

Quit being dumb.

[Auren]

I DID read the T&C. Super carefully. About 5 times. It is extremely unclear about the point. It can be easily read so that bonus is free after wagering is met. Of course now that I realize such thing as sticky exists I do notice it doesn't exactly say that. But I really doubt anyoene meeting their first sticky bonus will notice the difference by reading T&C.

And sadly search in forums or in casino meister didn't find anything revelant on this casino. I hope next time someone tries to check the casino he will find this post and not do same mistake as me.

[Blowup Doll]

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I DID read the T&C. Super carefully. About 5 times. It is extremely unclear about the point. It can be easily read so that bonus is free after wagering is met.

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6. All PLAY BONUS credits are for wagering purposes only. (No withdrawal will be honored for an amount less than the PLAY BONUS. Upon your FIRST withdrawal (regardless of the number of deposits), any amount up to the equivalent value of the PLAY BONUS will be deducted from your play balance or winnings prior to settlement. The first credits wagered will be deducted from your deposit(s) rather than from the PLAY BONUS).


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What part is not clear?

[Auren]

First of all near the bonus it says this:

"In the interest of fair gaming in order to cash out any amount of money you must wager at least eight (8) times your play bonus plus deposit. If you withdraw before having reached the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void."

It does not say it but it is extremely easy to read this part as saying that after wagering requirements are met you can withdraw as much as you want to.

Then after reading that first part I reached part saying:

"6. All PLAY BONUS credits are for wagering purposes only. (No withdrawal will be honored for an amount less than the PLAY BONUS. Upon your FIRST withdrawal (regardless of the number of deposits), any amount up to the equivalent value of the PLAY BONUS will be deducted from your play balance or winnings prior to settlement. The first credits wagered will be deducted from your deposit(s) rather than from the PLAY BONUS)."

And I interpreted this telling how things work BEFORE you have cleared the bonus. Since I was sure I had read from first part that bonus is cleared and mine after 16 times wager. I just thought this determines what happens if you try to cash before clearing bonus.


If I interpret this right this time I think what it all actaully means is that until you have wagered 1600 dollars you can't withdraw anything. Not even 1 dollar. Then after you have wagered 1600 dollars you can withdraw whatever you have left minus the bonus. Did I interpret it right this time?

Anyways, where is strategy of playing this type of bonus with profit? Only way I can figure out is that first you clear 1600 dollars in most profitable way. Then whatever you have left you put in single big bet and if you double your cash with that you withdraw cash?

[Auren]

Anyways, I think I have produced some fun for people reading this. So not totally wasted post. I learned a lot and you all got good laughs. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Blowup Doll]

Here's one way.

http://www.bonusbug.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=casino;action=display;num=110973397 8

[thomasperfecto]

Don't bash Tropez I did +$300 from them last week /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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I DID read the T&C. Super carefully. About 5 times. It is extremely unclear about the point.

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This is where you stop and email customer support instead of getting yourself in trouble the next time. Lots of sites even have a live chat online or you can call them for futher explanation of anything on their site.

[Auren]

Isn't it better to just bet everything in single bet? And if you win that then clear remaining of wagering requirements with "normal" small bets.

[Auren]

I got 180 dollars left (80 own, 100 bonus) and I have fulfilled the wagering requirements. If I now bet 180 dollars as single bet and double it to 360 dollars I can then withdraw 260 dollars leaving 100 dollar bonus there? Do I understand the rules right this time?

[thomasperfecto]

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I got 180 dollars left (80 own, 100 bonus) and I have fulfilled the wagering requirements. If I now bet 180 dollars as single bet and double it to 360 dollars I can then withdraw 260 dollars leaving 100 dollar bonus there? Do I understand the rules right this time?

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Yes thats correct, however you may be better off splitting your remaining balance into 4 bets, this way you can still double or split if you need to.

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I got 180 dollars left (80 own, 100 bonus) and I have fulfilled the wagering requirements. If I now bet 180 dollars as single bet and double it to 360 dollars I can then withdraw 260 dollars leaving 100 dollar bonus there? Do I understand the rules right this time?

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Yes thats correct, however you may be better off splitting your remaining balance into 4 bets, this way you can still double or split if you need to.

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Also you can rinse and repeat. Set a goal of double the bonus or so after this.

After you'e made 3 or 4 cashouts, reverse them all. Then cashout one lump sum. You can usually get away with this method for 3-5 cashout requests/cancellations and one lump before they'll bonus ban you.

[Auren]

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Yes thats correct, however you may be better off splitting your remaining balance into 4 bets, this way you can still double or split if you need to.


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If I interpreted it correctly I cannot wager anything at all in blackjack or I might loose everything, those rules are quite extensive and worst interpration for me I can figure seems to point that way. I am thinking of one try of red dog since there is not too big need to bet more there.

I think betting twice 90 dollars is worse EV than just putting it all once so propably betting 180 at once. Or might just take 80 dollars out now if I get scared.

[thomasperfecto]

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Yes thats correct, however you may be better off splitting your remaining balance into 4 bets, this way you can still double or split if you need to.


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If I interpreted it correctly I cannot wager anything at all in blackjack or I might loose everything, those rules are quite extensive and worst interpration for me I can figure seems to point that way. I am thinking of one try of red dog since there is not too big need to bet more there.

I think betting twice 90 dollars is worse EV than just putting it all once so propably betting 180 at once. Or might just take 80 dollars out now if I get scared.

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Yes sorry you are corect. I think the best bet is video poker

[thomasperfecto]

On second thoughts if you've met the wager requirement then you should be able to play anything now. You might want to check with support though.

[Auren]

Well, it is very ambiguous in their t&c so I assume worst and will not play anything listed as forbidden. And videopoker is one of the forbidden ones too.

[thomasperfecto]

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Well, it is very ambiguous in their t&c so I assume worst and will not play anything listed as forbidden. And videopoker is one of the forbidden ones too.

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I'm pretty sure thats only to meet the wager requirement. Once the WR is met it should be yours to do as you wish (except of course to withdraw)

[kyleb]

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Yes sorry you are corect. I think the best bet is video poker

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Also not allowed.

It's three-card poker / pai gow / casino war.

[WLVRYN]

Once you meet the WR, you should be able to play BJ. Check with live support, but I did this a couple of months back on all this casino and related ones (Tropez, Del Rio, Red, Europa) and ground it out playing 3CP to clear the WR then went big on BJ trying to make a big win. I did get confirmation that BJ is allowed via live support and got a screenshot of it before I tried it. I had no problems withdrawing.

[Elim99]

So is this the best approach for this casino? I thought you usually try to double up and then grind out the WR. SInce BJ does not count toward WR. Does it make sense to try and double up with Casion War and then grind it out with Casino War or 3CP?

[OrianasDaad]

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I DID read the T&C. Super carefully. About 5 times. It is extremely unclear about the point.

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I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but it bears repeating.

If you are unsure about the T&C, contact their support department.

[Auren]

Why bother answering if you only read first post of thread and skipped rest?

Anyways I was not unsure of T&C at all. I was sure I understood it right. :O

[OrianasDaad]

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Anyways I was not unsure of T&C at all. I was sure I understood it right. :O

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It is extremely unclear about the point.

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It's easy to see why some might be getting mixed signals. First they never pay bonuses. Then you just didn't read the T&C. Now you say you weren't unusure about the T&C at all. Even if you aren't unsure about the T&C now, you were at some point, as would be suggested by the title of your original post.

My post wasn't an attack on you. You live and learn. I just wanted to reinforce the idea that contacting support when you are unclear about a bonus is a good thing. It is. This fact is irrefutable. Again, nothing personal.

However, while hundreds (if not more) of completely useless posts are made everyday by trolls and idiots, I find myself a little taken aback by someone responding to good common sense with "why bother".

It's like being sure about the Terms and Conditions of a bonus for some people. Perhaps also for people who honestly try to add something of value to a message board that is growing less and less valuable as time goes on.

Why bother?

[Auren]

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First they never pay bonuses.

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This has not changed. Any bonus you get will forever stay in their account. So they never pay them.

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Then you just didn't read the T&C.


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I have never said that. I read T&C about 5 times. Obviously you didn't read any of the answers in this thread?

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Now you say you weren't unusure about the T&C at all.


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I never was unsure of it at all. I thought I had understood it 100% right. Only after I realized I can't cash the bonus I realized I had understood it 100% wrong. This I also explain in one of the answers which you obviously didn't bother to read.


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Even if you aren't unsure about the T&C now, you were at some point, as would be suggested by the title of your original post.


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Only time I was unsure of T&C was after they told me I can't cash the bonus and before I read it again. All my title suggests is that they never pay bonuses which is true. You can not get any of the bonus money tehy "give" to you paid to you ever.

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My post wasn't an attack on you. You live and learn. I just wanted to reinforce the idea that contacting support when you are unclear about a bonus is a good thing. It is. This fact is irrefutable. Again, nothing personal.


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This is good point.

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However, while hundreds (if not more) of completely useless posts are made everyday by trolls and idiots, I find myself a little taken aback by someone responding to good common sense with "why bother".


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Howeever, while hundreds (if not more) people read first post of thread and give answer to that withotu bothering to read rest of the thread at all I find myself a little taken aback by someone responding with "I'm sure it's been mentioned already" which clearly says he was too lazy to actualyl read the thread.

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Why bother?

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I agree. Why bother writing when people only read first post and then repeat same things that is said over and over again in thread.

[wmspringer]

I played Video Poker, blackjack, and casino war. Cashed out a bunch :-)

(No, VP and BJ didn't count towards the WR)

[Auren]

You can play VP and BJ and still get the cash out? Way I interpreted their rules is that if you took bonus and play those you can never withdraw.