500/1000 Limit game going on Full Tilt right now

[ipp147]

for those that enjoy that sort of thing.

reztes against "reardon metal"

Ram and Erick Lingren sitting at 1000/2000 O/8 but not playing

[phiphika1453]

FT is so slow heads up after playing on UB. I almost cant stand to watch

[Jeffmet3]

Luigi66369 is sitting heads up with Ram Vaswani at 1k/2k stud, but Ram is sitting out

[TomHimself]

i guess FT added these new limits

[Kyle]

anyone know who these guys are?

[doc_1982]

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i guess FT added these new limits

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Haven't they had them for months?

[mntbikr15]

Reztes is and overaggresive "HU specialist" that plays the 75 game on AP a fair amount. Beyond that idk

[Spota]

4 handed now. Phil Ivey just sat down with 20K.

[Lurker4]

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anyone know who these guys are?

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I've read that reztes is a HU LHE specialist, he's always sitting alone in 100/200 or 200/400 HU on FTP, and tries to get opponents in the lower games. I've only played a few hands/sessions against him 5/6 handed, and from what I've seen he's a bit too LAG for a full SH game. Rearden Metal I've seen playing 1/2 or 2/4 HU on FTP a few times, but no idea other than that. Never seen the other guy.

Ivey just joined the table.

[TomHimself]

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i guess FT added these new limits

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Haven't they had them for months?

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[THEOSU]

dags and ram at 1k/2k stud.

[Dynasty]

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dags and ram at 1k/2k stud.

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I decided to watch a little of this. In ten minutes, neither play has been the low card on 3rd street and brought it in for the full $1,000. They seem more than capable of bringing it in for $300 and then calling the auto-raise to $1,000 by their opponent. So, why are they always limping in? Why isn't the $1,000 bring-in in their playbook?

[TylerD]

im watching this on and off, but every hand i've seen there's been a showdown. is this normal?

[mntbikr15]

I think for HU stud it may be.

[Dynasty]

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im watching this on and off, but every hand i've seen there's been a showdown. is this normal?

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When I was watching, there were only a few hands that went to 7th street.

[Mariealena Calabrese]

The first reason is that when you are the bring-in most times the player with the higher card will auto-complete to $1000, but not always.

By bringing it in for the minimum each time you leave yourself more options to do the following:

A) See 4th street cheap - If you get to see 4th street cheaply prehaps your opponent will continue to play weak and allow you to back into a hand.

B) Just call your opponent's completion to $1000 - This gives you the opportunity to disguise your hand in the event that you actually have one.

C) It gives you the opportunity to re-raise immediately (to $2000) with a hand, whereas if you had brought it in for the $1000 your opponent might fold when you actually do want action.

Keep in mind that by exercising the options above when you actually do bring it in for the full bet (with nothing) it looks so strange your opponent may be forced to fold a mediocre hand.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that John has played with Ram recently both Heads Up and in a fuller game, and his reasons for not bringing it in for a full bet have to do not only with what I mentioned above, but also to do with how Ram plays.

[StepBangin]

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The first reason is that when you are the bring-in most times the player with the higher card will auto-complete to $1000, but not always.

By bringing it in for the minimum each time you leave yourself more options to do the following:

A) See 4th street cheap - If you get to see 4th street cheaply prehaps your opponent will continue to play weak and allow you to back into a hand.

B) Just call your opponent's completion to $1000 - This gives you the opportunity to disguise your hand in the event that you actually have one.

C) It gives you the opportunity to re-raise immediately (to $2000) with a hand, whereas if you had brought it in for the $1000 your opponent might fold when you actually do want action.

Keep in mind that by exercising the options above when you actually do bring it in for the full bet (with nothing) it looks so strange your opponent may be forced to fold a mediocre hand.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that John has played with Ram recently both Heads Up and in a fuller game, and his reasons for not bringing it in for a full bet have to do not only with what I mentioned above, but also to do with how Ram plays.

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I thought in stud you just bet and called and then showed your cards to decide who wins..Didnt really think there was strategy ivolved /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[CommanderCorm]

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The first reason is that when you are the bring-in most times the player with the higher card will auto-complete to $1000, but not always.

By bringing it in for the minimum each time you leave yourself more options to do the following:

A) See 4th street cheap - If you get to see 4th street cheaply prehaps your opponent will continue to play weak and allow you to back into a hand.

B) Just call your opponent's completion to $1000 - This gives you the opportunity to disguise your hand in the event that you actually have one.

C) It gives you the opportunity to re-raise immediately (to $2000) with a hand, whereas if you had brought it in for the $1000 your opponent might fold when you actually do want action.

Keep in mind that by exercising the options above when you actually do bring it in for the full bet (with nothing) it looks so strange your opponent may be forced to fold a mediocre hand.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that John has played with Ram recently both Heads Up and in a fuller game, and his reasons for not bringing it in for a full bet have to do not only with what I mentioned above, but also to do with how Ram plays.

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I thought in stud you just bet and called and then showed your cards to decide who wins..Didnt really think there was strategy ivolved /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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huh? there´s certainly more strategy involved in stud than in holdem...

[Dynasty]

You make valid points. But, it's not really an answer why John never brings it in for the full amount (granted, I only watched for ten minutes).

And, of course, you don't have any inside information about why Ram doesn't do it.

Bring it in for the full amount should be a part of anybody's short-handed or heads-up game. This is particularly true when you're the low-card with a small pair and can reasonably expect your opponent to have three overcards. And, obviously, it's great just to pick up the antes when your opponent is dealt J(7,3) and doesn't know how to read your bet.

[redsoxsalty]

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You make valid points. But, it's not really an answer why John never brings it in for the full amount (granted, I only watched for ten minutes).


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isn't jdags notorious for having some rigid betting/raising habits? i seem to recall reading that in nl, he always raises 3bb pf (unless he jams) no matter the situation.

also, perry friedman, the ultimate table coach, goes apeshit whenever someone brings in for the full amount. he went so bananas about it one day that he ended up writing a ft article on it. (not that this means your argument is without validity, but merely that a decent stud pro, who might have the ear of other ft pros, advocates never bringing in for the full amount).

[Jourdain]

Allen Cunningham is at 100-200 Stud Hi/Lo

[chicagoY]

Yeah, too bad fish can't appreciate software sophistication and speed--otherwise UB would be the place to play.

[Jeffmet3]

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also, perry friedman, the ultimate table coach,

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For those of you that haven't, I highly recomend playing no limit holdem with Perry Friedman. When I played on Fulltilt, he'd sometimes sit at either 2/4, 3/6 or 5/10 NL, and seeing him and bitch and berate players when they sucked out on him is priceless.

[Mariealena Calabrese]

I think that Perry's example in that article was concerning a full game.

I agree that you should have the "full bet bring-in" in your short handed/HU arsenal. However, I didn't state that John never brings it in, EVER, for the full bet. What I said was along with the reasons that I mentioned, I am certain that his decision has a lot to do with how Ram plays. John has played him before and is adjusting according to Ram's style, which is what I would expect any decent player to do.