Card counting th live BJ tables

[thomasperfecto]

Does anyone do this? Is it viable?
I beleive most shuffle the deck about half way through.

[Blowup Doll]

Seems like too much effort for so little gain. Wizardofodds says it's pointless.

[inside??]

I have do it for years and it has helped. Best it can do is help you get maybe 1/2% advantage. To make it more valuable you need to find single and double deck table (ie. not on the strip). But like I said it gives you just over a coin flip advantage and if you vary your bet sizes to much it gets the attention of THE MAN.

[MicroBob]

by 'live' BJ tables I believe he is referring to the internet blackjack-sites that have a 'live' dealer with 'real' cards who deals them out to a web-camera (thus making them different from most sites that just have graphics as their cards and are able to re-shuffle them instantly after every hand)

[terrellk11]

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by 'live' BJ tables I believe he is referring to the internet blackjack-sites that have a 'live' dealer with 'real' cards who deals them out to a web-camera (thus making them different from most sites that just have graphics as their cards and are able to re-shuffle them instantly after every hand)

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This type of situation makes it even easier for the casino to catch card-counters as the computer will track your varying bets. Rather than having to depend on having an observant pit boss, the site can just check your wager history on a convenient printout.

They won't be able to break your legs, but they will have your money in their account.

[1huskerfan]

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They won't be able to break your legs...

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I think you've watched Casino one too many times.

[MicroBob]

Correct, I wouldn't do this.

If they shuffle half-way through then the bet-sizing necessary to make it +EV would be extremely obvious.

Even if you developed an elaborate side-count system to make the bet-sizing less obvious they would still detect that you are a long-term winning player and would figure out that something was up.

They don't need an excuse to withhold your cash-out attempt. They can just make one up and say that you clearly weren't playing within the 'spirit' of recreational gambling (or some B.S. like that).

There's absolutely no way that one should try to count (and vary bet-sizes appropriately) against one of these live casinos.

Whatever modest EV you might gain at the tables is easily negated by the chance of NEVER getting your money back when you try to cash-out.

[Blowup Doll]

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Whatever modest EV you might gain at the tables is easily negated by the chance of NEVER getting your money back when you try to cash-out.

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Not to mention the time you waste doing it. Time is money and bonuses clear faster with more hands/hr.

[thomasperfecto]

I discovered I don't have the patience anyway. That live dealing is Sloowwwwww.

[Packard]

The blackjack bonuses are the way to go. Card counting is so 1990's /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[RacersEdge]

I assume with the computer generated games, that it's essentially a "fresh deck" at the start of each deal, so card counting would be meaningless?

[thomasperfecto]

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I assume with the computer generated games, that it's essentially a "fresh deck" at the start of each deal, so card counting would be meaningless?

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Correct

[Ken_AA]

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I assume with the computer generated games, that it's essentially a "fresh deck" at the start of each deal, so card counting would be meaningless?

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I believe its a fresh deck every card. What I mean is this.

You are playing 5 hands at a time, you are dealt 10 dueces. The chance of the next card being dealt a duece is the same as it being a 9.

I may be wrong about this but that is how I understand it.

Ken

[MicroBob]

I'm pretty sure that you are definitely wrong about this (although I suppose it's possible that there might be one or two casinos out there that do something weird like that).

If it was done the way you believed then it would alter the basic-strategy a player should use (for lowest house-advantage).


Some places will even say somewhere in their T&C's that the cards come from an 8-deck shoe that is shuffled after 10% penetration (or every hand, or whatever).

[thomasperfecto]

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I'm pretty sure that you are definitely wrong about this (although I suppose it's possible that there might be one or two casinos out there that do something weird like that).

If it was done the way you believed then it would alter the basic-strategy a player should use (for lowest house-advantage).


Some places will even say somewhere in their T&C's that the cards come from an 8-deck shoe that is shuffled after 10% penetration (or every hand, or whatever).

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In the live online blackjack games the cards are shuffled after about 50% penetration.

In the computer generated games the cards are shuffled after each hand.