What should be my 1st casino to whore

[Queensgrad]

I have never done any casino bonus but all the hype has me interested. Where do you suggest to start?

[Blowup Doll]

Starluck

http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html

[Full Metal]

Betting $1 how long should it take to clear the $1600 wr

[Jago]

~4hrs

[Beastmaster]

starluck/planetluck/ace.....Also do IGM PAY and neteller bonus. That's a good start $600 in bonus

[Ken_AA]

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I have never done any casino bonus but all the hype has me interested. Where do you suggest to start?

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If yo uare starting right now you may want to do intercasino since you can do their bonus ever month. Get it end of july and august again.

Ken

[Blowup Doll]

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Betting $1 how long should it take to clear the $1600 wr

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Depends on how fast you can click the button.

At first, if you've never played BJ and are reading the chart, maybe 300 hands/hr. Once you're fluent and use the hotkeys, then around 450-500/hr. More if you multi-hand.

[TomR]

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If yo uare starting right now you may want to do intercasino since you can do their bonus ever month. Get it end of july and august again.

Ken

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I would suggest Littlewoods instead. One deposit of ~$100 now and you can do the 50GBP signup bonus this month, leave the money in until next month and then do the 25GBP monthly in August.

[WLVRYN]

TomR - How is less than $150 better than $200? If you have a limited BR, do Intercasino.

[pathogen]

With the crypto sites do I have to request a PIN number from each one I do or is there a universal PIN for the cryptologic server?

[WLVRYN]

Some of the Cryptos dont require PINs anymore. For the ones that do, there are individual PIN numbers for each site. They usually take a week or two to get in the mail after you deposit.

[kyleb]

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Betting $1 how long should it take to clear the $1600 wr

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Forever.

[WiSeIVIaN]

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Betting $1 how long should it take to clear the $1600 wr

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Forever.

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Maybe 3-4 hrs (which is still around $25 an hour...

[22pajo]

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Starluck

http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html

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This article appears to have been written in December 2004. Is it still relevant?

[axioma]

lol at flat betting $1. id rather flip burgers.

[moondogg]

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lol at flat betting $1. id rather flip burgers.

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This is not a valid comparison. You have to wear pants to flip burgers (or at least to be paid for it).

[Blowup Doll]

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Starluck

http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html

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This article appears to have been written in December 2004. Is it still relevant?

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A lot of it is. Some of it is outdated.

[22pajo]

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Starluck

http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html

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This article appears to have been written in December 2004. Is it still relevant?

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A lot of it is. Some of it is outdated.

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Are the casino bonus details outdated or the general BJ strategy advice?

[Blowup Doll]

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Starluck

http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html

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This article appears to have been written in December 2004. Is it still relevant?

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A lot of it is. Some of it is outdated.

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Are the casino bonus details outdated or the general BJ strategy advice?

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Some of the casino bonus details are outdated, but that's not surprising since casinos change their bonus structure all the time.

[22pajo]

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Starluck

http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html

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This article appears to have been written in December 2004. Is it still relevant?

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A lot of it is. Some of it is outdated.

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Are the casino bonus details outdated or the general BJ strategy advice?

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Some of the casino bonus details are outdated, but that's not surprising since casinos change their bonus structure all the time.

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Thanks

[22pajo]

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Starluck

http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html

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This guide says to start with starluck casino. is this bonus still worth playing? Any knonw issues with this casion before i deposit some of my hard earned (stolen from wife's handbag) cash?

[BigDave]

Start with Starluck, then Planetluck, easily the two best for beginers. 1600 worth of wagering with BJ allowed for 100 bonus is the best ratio you will find (for casinos that allow BJ that is). They also do not care if you cash out right at 1600 either.

[BobJoeJim]

Due entirely to this thread and that blog guide, I just did the Starluck bonus; took me just over 3 hours to clear flat betting $2, and I finished up $22 on top of the bonus. I can't report on cashing out yet, since they require 8 hours between your deposit and your cashout, but in the meantime I'm downloading Planetluck now.

In any case, it definitely seems worthwhile to me. The bonus offer remains exactly the same as what was listed in the guide, so if it was worth it then it's worth it now.

[Blowup Doll]

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Due entirely to this thread and that blog guide, I just did the Starluck bonus; took me just over 3 hours to clear flat betting $2, and I finished up $22 on top of the bonus. I can't report on cashing out yet, since they require 8 hours between your deposit and your cashout, but in the meantime I'm downloading Planetluck now.

In any case, it definitely seems worthwhile to me. The bonus offer remains exactly the same as what was listed in the guide, so if it was worth it then it's worth it now.

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Hope you guys are getting RAFs for Starluck and Planetluck, otherwise you're giving up $75 ($25 for you and $50 for referrer).

[coleco]

I think I should be up more than $315 after 6 casino's but....I run bad at everything even when I have a chart to use and I have only been $1,2,3 betting /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[dynacraze]

can anyone post the link to this chart?

[WiSeIVIaN]

wizardofodds.com (BJ strategy chart)
casinodave.com (list of reputable casinos)
casinobonuspages.com (large list of many kinds of casinos)
casinomeister.com (evil casino list to cross reference before playing

You now have all it takes to be a casino whore. Have fun.

[Auren]

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Hope you guys are getting RAFs for Starluck and Planetluck, otherwise you're giving up $75 ($25 for you and $50 for referrer).

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How does clearing work if you got referral bonus?

This is from their rules about referral:

"Referral bonus will be credited to Starluck Casino account, and must be wagered six (6) times (not including Blackjack or Roulette) before a CASHOUT can be initiated"

What game they offer besides blackjack that is worth it for clearing bonuses?

Also if I get referral can I first clear 100 dollar deposit with blackjack and withdraw all but 25 dollars. And then try clearing 25 dollar referral? Or how it works with several bonuses with different clearing methods.

[Blowup Doll]

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Hope you guys are getting RAFs for Starluck and Planetluck, otherwise you're giving up $75 ($25 for you and $50 for referrer).

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How does clearing work if you got referral bonus?

This is from their rules about referral:

"Referral bonus will be credited to Starluck Casino account, and must be wagered six (6) times (not including Blackjack or Roulette) before a CASHOUT can be initiated"

What game they offer besides blackjack that is worth it for clearing bonuses?

Also if I get referral can I first clear 100 dollar deposit with blackjack and withdraw all but 25 dollars. And then try clearing 25 dollar referral? Or how it works with several bonuses with different clearing methods.

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I was not able to withdraw before clearing everything.

The clearance rate is 6x, so that means you have to wager $150 for your $25 RAF bonus. I did 3CP and made some bucks betting $5 hands.

[Auren]

I am new to this casino thing. What is 3CP? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Blowup Doll]

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I am new to this casino thing. What is 3CP? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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3 Card Poker. Basically, you just 1) ante up, 2) if you have better than Q/6/4, then you bet, 3) otherwise fold. It's pretty simple. The min bet is $5 there, so you'll have to play 30 hands.


Make yourself familiar with this site. It explains all the rules/strategy.

http://www.wizardofodds.com/

[OrianasDaad]

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I have never done any casino bonus but all the hype has me interested. Where do you suggest to start?

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I'd stick to the cashable blackjack bonuses, use wizardofodds pages very frequently to determine bonus EV and RoR (Risk of Ruin), and when your bankroll is big enough, move on to sticky bonuses.

This is pretty easy money, but it takes a bit more gambool in your blood (compared to poker) to not pull your hair out when variance bites you in the keister. Don't be fooled that it won't. It will. Frequently. Without warning.

Some guidelines that have helped me out:
- Read the Terms and Conditions of every site you are thinking about playing. Just because a casino-whoring site says something about a bonus doesn't mean it's true.
- Contact support with any additional questions before depositing money. ANY question.
- Research a site's history using the search function here, on other popular casino forums, or on casinomeister.
- Figure out the EV of a bonus yourself.
- Keep a spreadsheet tracking sites you are investigating, sites you are playing at, sites where withdrawals are pending... you get the idea. Invest some serious time in bookkeeping, it will save you some headaches now, and also down the road when it's time to pay your taxes.
- Find other sources for sites to chase bonuses at in addition to the ones frequently mentioned here.
- Reread the T&C again before depositing money.

I've only been doing this for a couple of weeks now, but after recently autoplaying the aforementioned 3CP for a bonus, I went back and did the math and discovered that my EV was only a $22.80 and my risk of ruin was very high. A little patience would have gone a long way here.

When I've done all the cashables and stickies, I'll elaborate further. Talk to me in about a year.

PS: Props to Bet365 for calling me after e-mailing thier support with a question within two minutes of me sending it off.

[Ainex]

Okay I finally whored my first casino tonight after being inspired by Party's free $25 BJ bonus and I hit up Planetluck. Ended up with $59 of the $100 bonus flat betting $2 a hand.

[22pajo]

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wizardofodds.com (BJ strategy chart)
casinodave.com (list of reputable casinos)
casinobonuspages.com (large list of many kinds of casinos)
casinomeister.com (evil casino list to cross reference before playing

You now have all it takes to be a casino whore. Have fun.

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Question on BJ Charts: The chart found at wizardofodds.com (http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack) and the charts found at casinodave.com (http://www.casinobonuspages.com/blackjack-101/blackjack-strategy-cards.php)
appear different.

Which one is the best to use for BJ casino whoring?

[TomR]

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TomR - How is less than $150 better than $200? If you have a limited BR, do Intercasino.

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In dollars of bonus per required deposit.

For someone with a limited bankroll, say $200, they could do LW for a total of ~$140 plus another quick payer like Planet or Starluck and earn an additional $100 for a total of $240 instead of the $200 as you suggested.

I also like to do the bonuses that only require a playthrough and not a deposit (e.g., LW monthly) at the end of one month and then the beginning of the next month without withdrawing to save the withdrawal fee and to reduce the total time that I have money tied up in withdrawal processing.

[BobJoeJim]

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wizardofodds.com (BJ strategy chart)
casinodave.com (list of reputable casinos)
casinobonuspages.com (large list of many kinds of casinos)
casinomeister.com (evil casino list to cross reference before playing

You now have all it takes to be a casino whore. Have fun.

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Question on BJ Charts: The chart found at wizardofodds.com (http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack) and the charts found at casinodave.com (http://www.casinobonuspages.com/blackjack-101/blackjack-strategy-cards.php)
appear different.

Which one is the best to use for BJ casino whoring?

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The casinobonuspages.com charts are specific to each site, taking into account rule variations, so you'd be best off using those. For the purposes of casino whoring, though, the EV edge is minimal for the relatively small number of hands you'll be playing compared to someone who's playing blackjack for blackjack's sake; and you wouldn't really be sacrificing much by using the wizard's charts, if you prefer the convenience of not switching charts every time you switch sites.

[Eder]

Trying to clear Starluck...200 bets to go...my eyes feel like they're falling out...I keep trying to raise QQ...hats off to serious casino whores...this makes grinding 2-4 6 max seem like fun.

Kill me

[Blowup Doll]

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Trying to clear Starluck...200 bets to go...my eyes feel like they're falling out...I keep trying to raise QQ...hats off to serious casino whores...this makes grinding 2-4 6 max seem like fun.

Kill me

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I hear you. After about 30k hands, you want to blow up the computer. Play another game. Jacks or better is fun and about the same HA.

[stephan]

I see starluck offers $200 if you do the wire deposit. Is that the way to go? Does starluck refund the bank wire fee, or no?

[stephan]

Ohh, I think I get it. Deposit $200 via wire deposit and then you have to play 4x ($200 deposit + $200 bonus)=1600 hands. I wasn't sure where everyone was getting the 1600 from before.


EDIT: Err, that's not it either because in order to get 100% match you have to play 8x. Can someone help me with this?

[1huskerfan]

Bonus is only 100%to100

[stephan]

I think everyone is talking about the win100 bonus. Wouldn't it be better to do a wire deposit using the first method to get $200?

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Sign-Up Bonus for New Players Extra 20%
Free Enter Bonus Code '20' When Signing Up Max Bonus up to $100, but $200 for Wire deposits. Valid up to 31 July 2006. Before cashing out you must wager 4 times

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Sign-Up Bonus for New Players Get 100%
Match Bonus Enter Code 'WIN100'
When Signing Up Applies to the first deposit made, up to a maximum bonus of $100. Valid up to 31 July 2006. Any deposit that qualifies for a sign up bonus (together the "Total Matched Deposits") must be wagered 8 times

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eChecks by iGM-Pay Extra
20%
Free Deposited Automatically Applies to the FIRST deposit made using this method, extended up to 31 July 2006. Maximum Bonus available is $100. Must wager 3 times

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[BobJoeJim]

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I think everyone is talking about the win100 bonus. Wouldn't it be better to do a wire deposit using the first method to get $200?

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Sign-Up Bonus for New Players Extra 20%
Free Enter Bonus Code '20' When Signing Up Max Bonus up to $100, but $200 for Wire deposits. Valid up to 31 July 2006. Before cashing out you must wager 4 times

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Sign-Up Bonus for New Players Get 100%
Match Bonus Enter Code 'WIN100'
When Signing Up Applies to the first deposit made, up to a maximum bonus of $100. Valid up to 31 July 2006. Any deposit that qualifies for a sign up bonus (together the "Total Matched Deposits") must be wagered 8 times

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eChecks by iGM-Pay Extra
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Free Deposited Automatically Applies to the FIRST deposit made using this method, extended up to 31 July 2006. Maximum Bonus available is $100. Must wager 3 times

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With the wire transfer you need to deposit $1000 to get the $200 bonus, and then you need to wager 4x(d+b) or $4800 to clear it, which works out to 24x the bonus.

With win100 you deposit $100, for a $100 bonus, and it clears with 8x(d+b), or $1600, which works out to 16x the bonus.

Most people would prefer the faster clearance rate, that requires 10% the initial layout. If you really want the extra $100 though, the wire transfer is a valid option.

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starluck/planetluck/ace..... Also do IGM PAY and neteller bonus

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Can someone explain what the IGM Pay and Neteller bonuses ar eplease?

[TommyTutone]

Since we are talking about bonuses in general here, can anyone clear up 21.com? The live support had said it was a sticky (she didn't use that word), but the terms show that it can be cashed out. Does anyone have recent experience with this one?

[Frogic]

Stop giving bad advice you want to raise Q/6/2 in 3CP.

Frogic

[Auren]

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Stop giving bad advice you want to raise Q/6/2 in 3CP.

Frogic

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Why Q62 and not Q64? Site mentioned earlier here was pretty convincing that Q64 is right.

[Blowup Doll]

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Stop giving bad advice you want to raise Q/6/2 in 3CP.

Frogic

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http://wizardofodds.com/threecardpoker

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if you raise on queen/6/3 you can expect to lose 1.00255 units, more than the 1 unit by folding. However if you raise on queen/6/4 the expected loss is .993378, less than the 1 unit by folding.

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[Eder]

Well finished Starluck and Planetluck flat betting $1 lol. $178 profit. Had to spend like 20 minutes on phone with guy from Bombay trying to speak Engrish and to verify my accounts. Was good entertainment.

Blackjack very similar to poker in that my pat 20 continuously gets runer/runner'd...nothing new

[Frogic]

http://wizardofodds.com/askthewizard/threecardpoker.html

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Hi wizard - thanks for a great site! The basic Three Card Poker strategy is to play Q-6-4 or better to minimize the house edge. But what is the best strategy to minimize the element of risk (given '5-4-1' rules)? Your site reads that playing Q-6-3 loses 1.00255 units; but then betting that hand will dilute the element of risk, since the bet is suffering a house advantage of only 0.255% (which is less than the 2.01% element of risk).

You're welcome. To minimize the element of risk you should raise until the point where the expected value of raising is less than the element of risk for the entire game. The expected loss by raising on Q62 is 1.24% and on Q54 is 2.10% to 2.15% (depending on how the cards are suited). So, to minimize the element of risk you should raise on Q62 or higher

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You're not trying to minimize the HA you're trying to minimize the EoR. If you were going by HA pair plus is better.

Frogic

[Blowup Doll]

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http://wizardofodds.com/askthewizard/threecardpoker.html

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Hi wizard - thanks for a great site! The basic Three Card Poker strategy is to play Q-6-4 or better to minimize the house edge. But what is the best strategy to minimize the element of risk (given '5-4-1' rules)? Your site reads that playing Q-6-3 loses 1.00255 units; but then betting that hand will dilute the element of risk, since the bet is suffering a house advantage of only 0.255% (which is less than the 2.01% element of risk).

You're welcome. To minimize the element of risk you should raise until the point where the expected value of raising is less than the element of risk for the entire game. The expected loss by raising on Q62 is 1.24% and on Q54 is 2.10% to 2.15% (depending on how the cards are suited). So, to minimize the element of risk you should raise on Q62 or higher

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You're not trying to minimize the HA you're trying to minimize the EoR. If you were going by HA pair plus is better.

Frogic

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If you want to trade money for safety, then go for it. I prefer +EV over less variance.

[Frogic]

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If you want to trade money for safety, then go for it. I prefer +EV over less variance.

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You're doing your math wrong. Your EV isn't Bonus - (HA * WR). Your EV is Bonus - (EoR * WR). HA is based on how much of your original bet you should lose. EoR is the same thing but takes into account all future bets, and online bonuses take into account those further bets. 3CP isn't a good game if you take into account the HA which is %3.37. If this were true this point would be moot since the pairplus bet has an HA of 2.32, still better than war but not as good as the EoR of %2.01. If you look at the page I quoted you have been playing your 3CP at an EoR of %2.15, which means you don't seem to like money.

[stephan]

Ugh, I wish I wasn't so lucky. I've been following the guide and I'm down $30 so far after $175 bet.

EDIT: make that $50 after $225 bet

This guide is a piece of [censored], why would you ever stand with a 12 against a 4,5,6. I've only won like 1/6 when i've done that.

[Blowup Doll]

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You're doing your math wrong. Your EV isn't Bonus - (HA * WR). Your EV is Bonus - (EoR * WR). HA is based on how much of your original bet you should lose. EoR is the same thing but takes into account all future bets, and online bonuses take into account those further bets. 3CP isn't a good game if you take into account the HA which is %3.37. If this were true this point would be moot since the pairplus bet has an HA of 2.32, still better than war but not as good as the EoR of %2.01. If you look at the page I quoted you have been playing your 3CP at an EoR of %2.15, which means you don't seem to like money.

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I see what you're saying, but why do all the sites tell you to raise with Q/6/4 then?

[Blowup Doll]

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Ugh, I wish I wasn't so lucky. I've been following the guide and I'm down $30 so far after $175 bet.

EDIT: make that $50 after $225 bet

This guide is a piece of [censored], why would you ever stand with a 12 against a 4,5,6. I've only won like 1/6 when i've done that.

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You'll win less on avg if you hit. 12 is a horrible hand, but it's better to stand and hope dealer busts. Rememeber, dealer can't stop at 13-16 just because he's ahead of you.

[stephan]

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Ugh, I wish I wasn't so lucky. I've been following the guide and I'm down $30 so far after $175 bet.

EDIT: make that $50 after $225 bet

This guide is a piece of [censored], why would you ever stand with a 12 against a 4,5,6. I've only won like 1/6 when i've done that.

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You'll win less on avg if you hit. 12 is a horrible hand, but it's better to stand and hope dealer busts. Rememeber, dealer can't stop at 13-16 just because he's ahead of you.

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Thank you, hopefully when i get back to the tables i'll make back some of what i lost.

[Frogic]

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I see what you're saying, but why do all the sites tell you to raise with Q/6/4 then?

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Either they didn't read WoO properly or are giving advice for live/none bonus play. If you're not playing with a bonus you want to minimize your loss per hand, and not overall wagered. It didn't make sense to me at first either, but I had a programmer friend of mine write a program to do a sim, and it definitely comes at better at Q/6/2.

Frogic

[Blowup Doll]

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I see what you're saying, but why do all the sites tell you to raise with Q/6/4 then?

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Either they didn't read WoO properly or are giving advice for live/none bonus play. If you're not playing with a bonus you want to minimize your loss per hand, and not overall wagered. It didn't make sense to me at first either, but I had a programmer friend of mine write a program to do a sim, and it definitely comes at better at Q/6/2.

Frogic

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Ok, thanks for the explanation. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Auren]

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Had to spend like 20 minutes on phone with guy from Bombay trying to speak Engrish and to verify my accounts. Was good entertainment.


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Do these casinos always want to confirm identifty in phone? I have tried about 6-7 poker sites with small stakes and none has ever asked anything.

I kind of hate trying to explain stuff with my bad spoken english to someone speaking english badly. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Eder]

I think they called me to verify I wasn't gnoming I think, since they were asking details about my Empire and Party accounts as well.

[tufat23]

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Ugh, I wish I wasn't so lucky. I've been following the guide and I'm down $30 so far after $175 bet.

EDIT: make that $50 after $225 bet

This guide is a piece of [censored], why would you ever stand with a 12 against a 4,5,6. I've only won like 1/6 when i've done that.

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the guids are correct. In that spot you have to choose between different -EV situations
I just busted out of willhill's £50 flat betting £5 a throw. I'm not worried tho since I've done a few and cashed out ahead. It's just variance (not saying it doesn't suck tho)

[stephan]

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I think they called me to verify I wasn't gnoming I think, since they were asking details about my Empire and Party accounts as well.

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It's ok to have a party and empire account with them, right?

[thomasperfecto]

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If you want to trade money for safety, then go for it. I prefer +EV over less variance.

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You're doing your math wrong. Your EV isn't Bonus - (HA * WR). Your EV is Bonus - (EoR * WR). HA is based on how much of your original bet you should lose. EoR is the same thing but takes into account all future bets, and online bonuses take into account those further bets. 3CP isn't a good game if you take into account the HA which is %3.37. If this were true this point would be moot since the pairplus bet has an HA of 2.32, still better than war but not as good as the EoR of %2.01. If you look at the page I quoted you have been playing your 3CP at an EoR of %2.15, which means you don't seem to like money.

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Does that mean playing $1 a hand at blackjack to clear the 8x bonus your EV is $85 as oposed to $96.56

[Eder]

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I think they called me to verify I wasn't gnoming I think, since they were asking details about my Empire and Party accounts as well.

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It's ok to have a party and empire account with them, right?

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Yes it is OK

[Frogic]

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Does that mean playing $1 a hand at blackjack to clear the 8x bonus your EV is $85 as oposed to $96.56

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No, it has nothing to do with betsize, and we were talking about 3CP. I don't know what the specific EoR to starluck/planetluck is, but WoO has the EoR of Atlantic city blackjack at .05 better than the HA. So your EV is slightly higher than you think it is.

Frogic

P.S unless you really need to build your bankroll for the love of god don't bet $1, your EV is lower and your hourly rate isn't really better than 4 tables of 1/2.

[Packard]

Play at Intercasino it's the best! $100 free every month to play blackjack!! Raise on brother whores!!!

[funkymunky]

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Play at Intercasino it's the best! $100 free every month to play blackjack!! Raise on brother whores!!!

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Me + Intercasino = run very bad

[Blowup Doll]

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Play at Intercasino it's the best! $100 free every month to play blackjack!! Raise on brother whores!!!

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Me + Intercasino = run very bad

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You and me both. I busted there real quick.

[Eder]

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Play at Intercasino it's the best! $100 free every month to play blackjack!! Raise on brother whores!!!

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Can I cash out if I lose the bonus?

[Blowup Doll]

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Play at Intercasino it's the best! $100 free every month to play blackjack!! Raise on brother whores!!!

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Can I cash out if I lose the bonus?

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Yes, but you might get banned for that, especially if you do it at more than one Crypto site.

[Auren]

Just to make sure I got this right... For starluck all I need to do is deposit 100 dollars with neteller following instructions in referring email. Then play blackjack until I have placed 1600 dollars of bets to clear 100% bonus. And then play 3 card poker and wager 150 dollars in it to clear 25 dollars bonus. And after that I can take out all the cash that remains?

Also I read starluck site and found this:

"Irregular playing patterns will be reviewed before processing your withdrawals. Equal betting is considered irregular gaming for bonus purposes only."

If I keep betting 1 dollar in blackjack and 5 dollars in 3cp will they use this to prevent me form getting bonuses?

[Auren]

Could someone refer me to starluck? Send me pm and I tell email and name. And if it is done on casino bonuses I wouldn't mind if you offer little kickback from that 50 dollars you will get. I won't trust people with bad reputation, under 100 posts or very new account. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Blowup Doll]

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Could someone refer me to starluck? Send me pm and I tell email and name. And if it is done on casino bonuses I wouldn't mind if you offer little kickback from that 50 dollars you will get. I won't trust people with bad reputation, under 100 posts or very new account. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Remember that the person who refers doesn't get a FREE $50. They have to fulfill the wr, so there's no guarantee any money will be made.

[22pajo]

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$100 every month? How does that work?

[22pajo]

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Anyone concerned that starluck appears on casinomeister's list of "Rogue and BlackListed Casinos at casinomeister" (http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/index.html)?

[thomasperfecto]

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Starluck


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Anyone concerned that starluck appears on casinomeister's list of "Rogue and BlackListed Casinos at casinomeister" (http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/index.html)?

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Not me . Their listed because they took their time paying $750,000 to a player who hit 3 royal flushes in a week. If I where the casino I'd take my time too. I'd want to know how in gods name someone can hit 3 royal flushes in a row!

[E.Z.]

is this iGM-Pay bonus on starluck or planetluck or both?? couldn't find it on the websites so i assume it's a code that works kinda as it does on party/empire.

it expires today from the info someone posted earlier in thread.


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[Auren]

I finished my bonuses at starluck. Now I just have to wait 24 hours so I can cash them out.

I played most of blackjack with 3 dollar bets. With 1 dollar risk of going insane was bigger than risk going bust. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I had some scary momments when I was about 60 dollars down at halfway but ended up 30 dollars up.

Then I played some 3cp to clear referral bonus and lost 5 dollars there.

Their live chat help was excellent. They answered isntantly and gave me referral bonus that was missing. Then I asked couple times about my clearing progress and got fast answers for that too.

So I have now about 250 dollars waiting for withdrawing after 100 dollar deposit. Nice way to boost my poker bankroll. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[stephan]

How does everyone keep track of how much they bet?

[Blowup Doll]

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How does everyone keep track of how much they bet?

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Tally counter.

http://tallycounterstore.com/

[Auren]

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How does everyone keep track of how much they bet?

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I use pen and paper. I was only 5 dollars off in 1600 dollars and about 600-700 hands of blackjack.

Not sure if this "system" has name in english... But I do little line for every bet. Every 5th line is put so it crosses 4 others. Pretty easy to count how many bets you have made.

[22pajo]

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Just started the starluck $100 sign up bonus. Played 400 hands of bj (stuck to charts religiously) and am down $60 already. At this rate i'll have to deposit more money just to clear the bonus. Or quit when i hit 0.
Is this variance?

[pathogen]

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Just started the starluck $100 sign up bonus. Played 400 hands of bj (stuck to charts religiously) and am down $60 already. At this rate i'll have to deposit more money just to clear the bonus. Or quit when i hit 0.
Is this variance?

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You might want to check this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...e=0#Post6753225 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=6753225&an=0&page=0# Post6753225)

A few other forums I've read confirm this. You might want to check with their live chat support to see if you can still clear the bonus with BJ.

[E.Z.]

well there's a thread started that you may take a look at. not sure if this is true or not

thread name is
No BJ, Roulette or VP at Star/Planetluck!

[spino1i]

I whored Starluck and left up 180$ (100$ of which was bonus money). I think they are legit.

[Auren]

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You might want to check this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...e=0#Post6753225 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=6753225&an=0&page=0# Post6753225)

A few other forums I've read confirm this. You might want to check with their live chat support to see if you can still clear the bonus with BJ.

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24 hours ago I cleared their 100 dollar bonus with blackjack. For RAF you need to play 3CP.

[22pajo]

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Just started the starluck $100 sign up bonus. Played 400 hands of bj (stuck to charts religiously) and am down $60 already. At this rate i'll have to deposit more money just to clear the bonus. Or quit when i hit 0.
Is this variance?

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You might want to check this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...e=0#Post6753225 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=6753225&an=0&page=0# Post6753225)

A few other forums I've read confirm this. You might want to check with their live chat support to see if you can still clear the bonus with BJ.

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Bonus can be cleared by playing BJ. Just confirmed this with their live support.

[22pajo]

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Oh they are legit alright. I just got bitten by variance (i hope).

Did you experience any of that while clearing the bonus?

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You might want to check this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...e=0#Post6753225 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=6753225&an=0&page=0# Post6753225)

A few other forums I've read confirm this. You might want to check with their live chat support to see if you can still clear the bonus with BJ.

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24 hours ago I cleared their 100 dollar bonus with blackjack. For RAF you need to play 3CP.

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24 hours ago was a different month and at least one other casino (UKBetting) changed their bonus in that time.

[coleco]

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Oh they are legit alright. I just got bitten by variance (i hope).

Did you experience any of that while clearing the bonus?

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I also use the charts religously and have run bad at almost every casino I have been too. Only up 315 after 7 of them and almost $800 in potential bonuses. This might be ok/average but it is not for me /images/graemlins/smile.gif

luckliy I amd still at $400 on GP but still 4000/8000 WR left

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luckliy I amd still at $400 on GP but still 4000/8000 WR left

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Where is GP? Can you tell me more?

[tomtemor]

I finished Planetluck playing blackjack yesterday.

[22pajo]

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Did you make money on the bonus? Did you use the bj charts?

[thomasperfecto]

BJ is fine for clearing the regular bonus just not the RAF bonus. You have to clear that at 3CP. I think it's better not to take the RAF bonus or at least try and get it after withdrawing your initial deposit & bonus (If they allow that)
My bro cleared the signup bonus fine but he busted the whole lot trying to clear the RAF!